Open 81 - The New C9 - Game Over

[forbiddanlight]

Wow, I love it when scum admit they are scum through really stupid claims.

[Rogueben]

Vote Count 20

orangepenguin

(5) - {StrangerCoug, forbiddanlight, strife220, The Fonz, Korts}

Not Voting (3) - {farside22, skitzer, orangepenguin}

With a majority of votes at deadline orangepenguin is lynched. He was a goon.

The deadline for Night 4 will be the 13th October at 3am GMT.

[Rogueben]

There will be a 2 night extension due to unforeseen circumstances.

[Rogueben]

BANG!!!... The shot rings through the night. It just doesn't end does it. By this stage death in the town is so old news that everyone just waits until morning to find out what happened. Walking outside you see the body of skitzer lying on the ground. Looking closer you see that he's actually been beaten to death, with no sign of being shot at all. His wallet falls out and you see his masons license.

The town searches everywhere to find another body when eventually they find forbiddanlight lying on the ground, shot through the temple. She was a regular town member just going about his nightly shopping.

With 5 left alive it will be 3 to lynch. The deadline will be the 6th of November at 3am GMT.

[Rogueben]

Sorry guys. I swore that I'd unlocked the thread but I'm obviously really stupid.

[Korts]

Okay... After OP's claim yesterday I think I'm more or less confirmed, which should mean that with two confirmed (SC and me) the two remaining scum are in the {farside; Fonz; strife} group.

Wide? How so? I think you just don't like that you're one of them. I am leaning towards you being confirmed, but I am not entirely convinced. You being scum doesn't really add up if the fonz are fl are scum though. I can see those two being partners.

This post makes me think that one of the scum are in the {Fonz; forbiddanlight} group. It just seems an odd comment to put at the end of this post. I think OP was trying to bus one of his partners. Since FL came up town, this implicates, to me, Fonz.

[StrangerCoug]

I honestly have no clue who's scum at this point, but that may be due to my tunnel visioning on people being town. I'll check my other games and see if I have enough time for a reread before I hit home (which, chances are, I won't).

[skitzer]

three confirmed, I'm half a masonry.

I will get to this game when time permits. I am REALLY SORRY.

[forbiddanlight]

Well, thanks for shooting me. Seriously *rolls eyes*. Half want the scum to win after that move, but whatever. (If I misread the flavor, I apologize now)

[farside22]

Ugh I'm so behind with this game.

Korts what did you see that makes you think Fonz and at the time FL as scum?

[farside22]

three confirmed, I'm half a masonry.

I will get to this game when time permits. I am REALLY SORRY.

News spoiler you are dead.

[skitzer]

Oh. Right. Bah.

[strife220]

Okay... After OP's claim yesterday I think I'm more or less confirmed

Right... clearly OP was hoping town was stupid enough to immediately reverse their lynch at the very last minute


I still think it's Korts/Farside. OP couldn't have seriously intended to get Korts lynched yesterday, so pretending to counter-claim his partner for when he flips town makes lots of sense.

[Korts]

Well okay, so now I'm convinced that strife is one of the two scum. His list of suspicions implies Fonz as a scumbuddy, too.

@farside, it's there, in my post prior to yours. The last sentence of OP's post doesn't fit there at all, there's just no logical connection between "I am leaning towards you being confirmed, but I am not entirely convinced" and "You being scum doesn't really add up if the fonz are fl are scum though". I'm therefore convinced that this sentence was planted in order to distance. Since FL is dead and come up town, OP could only have been distancing Fonz. Not solid proof, but the best I have at short notice.

[strife220]

Well okay, so now I'm convinced that strife is one of the two scum

Why, besides OMGUS?

[Korts]

You've been pushing the notion of me not being doc with far too big conviction. Occam's razor is, in my irrelevant opinion, applicable here. Which do you think is likelier, me being doc and OP trying a last-ditch attempt at saving his ass, or OP counterclaiming and trying to bus one of his two remaining scumbuddies in a last-ditch attempt at saving his ass?

[StrangerCoug]

My reread of the first quarter or so of the game gave me town vibes from strife220, but the fact that he's still trying to pin suspicion on a confirmed doc doesn't look right. If the doc gets lynched today, it's a given that I die tonight.

Vote: strife220

[Korts]

SC, I'd rather you unvoted. There's still things to be discussed, though

it would be good if others joined in...

[strife220]

My reread of the first quarter or so of the game gave me town vibes from strife220, but the fact that he's still trying to pin suspicion on a confirmed doc doesn't look right. If the doc gets lynched today, it's a given that I die tonight.

Vote: strife220

It's LYLO SC. If town-Korts gets lynched today, we lose. If I'm town, then scum can quicklynch and we lose. There is no benefit to me-scum trying to get town-Korts lynched over another town.

You've been pushing the notion of me not being doc with far too big conviction. Occam's razor is, in my irrelevant opinion, applicable here. Which do you think is likelier, me being doc and OP trying a last-ditch attempt at saving his ass, or OP counterclaiming and trying to bus one of his two remaining scumbuddies in a last-ditch attempt at saving his ass?

Given OP should have known there was 0 chance of turning the lynch around, I don't consider it a bus attempt - it's distancing. Given SC's blind faith in your assessment, I think it worked.


SC - why oh why would scum let the doc live this long? Why would OP - who was L-1 with 48 hours left from the deadline - counterclaim a townie at that point?

[Korts]

strife: you don't believe me, right? Do you think there is a second doc?

[strife220]

Do you think there is a second doc?

Nope
Are you going to argue that no kill N2 proves there was a doc? It's an awkward point to argue against. However, given how much suspicion you were under D1, setting yourself up for a fake-claim makes sense. It also doesn't make much sense for scum to target the confirmed vig when there was a good chance of being a doc alive.

[strife220]

Re-reading to re-assess my confidence on Fonz and Farside's alignment:

You're at lynch -2, and you can sure as hell be willing to believe i'll support your lynch on lurkerhating grounds if you continue as you are. So, IF you're town, you've got very little to lose. Read. Work out who your public enemy number one is. And then explain why. We'll probably lynch you anyway- but at least you might be able to shed some light on the situation.

This was said to OP. Fonz, given we were just about in lylo, what was your intention with this comment?

[StrangerCoug]

Given SC's blind faith in your assessment, I think it worked.

What do you mean blind? Korts protected me the night the Mafia kill didn't happen. I therefore do not have good reason to doubt his claim.

SC - why oh why would scum let the doc live this long?

This is WIFOM, and even if it weren't, I still wouldn't know.

Why would OP - who was L-1 with 48 hours left from the deadline - counterclaim a townie at that point?

WIFOM again.

[strife220]

WIFOM does not mean the point should be dismissed.
SC, please at least unvote me until you re-read me in full. Base your vote on a player as a whole and not just the actions in most recent memory.
And who do you think my partner is?
And .. why is me thinking Korts is scum indicative of me being scum? It's lylo and BM and Fonz would both be easier targets for me-scum. You not agreeing with my argument doesn't mean I have to be scum. Think about motivations. You're being reckless here by not thinking things through.

[StrangerCoug]

Fine.

Unvote: strife220

, but it's still an

FoS

in my book.