Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Something_Smart]

VC 1.9

DArby (4)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald, Fun and Games
Gamma Emerald (2)- Almost50, Bingle
Sleepless Assassin (2)- Enchant, VP Baltar
Dunnstral (1)- DArby
Not_Mafia (1)- Not_Mafia
Fun and Games (1)- SirCakez

Not voting (2)- Dunnstral, Datisi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-11-23 23:00:00)

Mod notes: prodding Dunnstral. sorry this VC was edited in so late I am lazy and forgetful

[Bingle]

Sooner

[Bingle]

True, but I guess it is the delusion being expressed too? Like stating he has done more than datisi on Ico is chest puffing and defensive if you ask me. Had he said "yeah, I kind of phoned it in", I might have more doubt. But he's doubled down when i pressed him.

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I think SA is scummy. I think this particular thing is a play style difference. Some people just don’t do cases.

And objectively I think he did push ico more than dats did, considering dats not being sure on ico was like half the reason that that wagon didn’t form. Both me and skitter were kinda trying to let them have room for whatever they were doing but ico was never really around to answer dats questions.

[Bingle]

Haven't read last few pages reading is not happening rn lool

I skimmed the last few because my brain is goddamn porridge

Is it apple flavored porridge? Asking for a

zombie

friend

[Bingle]

This exactly struck me as 'natural townie recall' - it sounrs like he really remembers how he felt at various points in the game, when i think scum probably wouldn't have that

Could you explain this? I see a lot of broad strokes, but not a lot of little things that would be indicative of a town frame of mind. Like, “I pushed him and people voted gamma instead” is exactly the kind of thing I’d expect scum with gamma to remember. What about his reasoning exactly are you liking for in the moment insights?

[VP Baltar]

but ico was never really around to answer dats questions.

Right, but dats was asking questions. That's largely absent in SA's play and then he calls to the heavens: 'why is Ico ignoring me!'

[Datisi]

have y'all caught scum yet?

[Almost50]

Yes. Gamma already flipped red. I'm reporting from the future, so get on the wagon already

[Bingle]

but ico was never really around to answer dats questions.

Right, but dats was asking questions. That's largely absent in SA's play and then he calls to the heavens: 'why is Ico ignoring me!'

Sure, but that’s a lack of solving ico, not a lack of pushing ico.

I don’t think anyone has accused SA of trying to engage Ico.

Which reminds me, I need to go back and look at dats’ reasons and decide if that’s convincing.

[Bingle]

have y'all caught scum yet?

Still comfortable on the gamma train, but I’m pretty sure that something smart guy is informed if you want to check out his iso.

[Datisi]

have y'all caught scum yet?

Still comfortable on the gamma train, but I’m pretty sure that something smart guy is informed if you want to check out his iso.

it seems like his iso is full of tracking votes with no analysis, making random non-game related comments, and making unfulfilled promises about future content. you're right, guy probably is scum.

[Bingle]

For a second I thought you were talking about gamma and I was really confused.

[Sleepless Assassin]

If ico wasn’t getting support for an elimination, who was the scum driving that?

That's a Day 2 question but probably someone pushing Dunn and/or Gamma or the people who said they might vote him later but didn't when I wanted them too (although skitter and Datisi did go on to.vote Iconeum later so they did follow through) or Almost50 because he had zero interest in having that conversation with me.

Given that he lurked into replacement, do you really think “He’s scum avoiding me” is a better explanation than “He’s busy Irl?” Did you look at his activity elsewhere on the site?

That would explain what you are telling people I said, sure. What it doesn't explain is what I actually said. He was here and made like 15 posts in a row and none of it acknowledged the only person voting him.

Can you remind me what it was about his tone you didn’t like?

Tone? I don't know, that's not really something I'm good at reading into. It's hard to try to explain your version of my case rather than my own.

[SirCakez]

Skitter is definitely a strong player - I'm just paranoid here because they are good at snowing me and when they are town I feel I get a certain vibe from their play that I am not getting here.

Gonna point out that i believe i was actually scum in many of those instances >.>

~ skitter

i can't remember what game it was but there was some large theme where town ganged up on you and mislimmed you
Tenet I think?

[SirCakez]

not sold on SA scum right now

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's posts dont really have substance to them ...

~ skitter

If I were doing this as scum it would have to be a legit strategy from me, I pretty much always have a “plan” as scum
So like, what do you think my plan is?

[Bingle]

If ico wasn’t getting support for an elimination, who was the scum driving that?

That's a Day 2 question but probably someone pushing Dunn and/or Gamma or the people who said they might vote him later but didn't when I wanted them too (although skitter and Datisi did go on to.vote Iconeum later so they did follow through) or Almost50 because he had zero interest in having that conversation with me.

Given that he lurked into replacement, do you really think “He’s scum avoiding me” is a better explanation than “He’s busy Irl?” Did you look at his activity elsewhere on the site?

That would explain what you are telling people I said, sure. What it doesn't explain is what I actually said. He was here and made like 15 posts in a row and none of it acknowledged the only person voting him.

Can you remind me what it was about his tone you didn’t like?

Tone? I don't know, that's not really something I'm good at reading into. It's hard to try to explain your version of my case rather than my own.

I know we both have pretty sexy avatars, but I am not in fact VP.

As far as the questions go: the first one is pretty relevant, given that your position is "Ico is scum because scum were driving the elimination elsewhere." I'd expect at least some amount of looking to see if scum were in fact driving the wagon elsewhere.

The second one is also relevant. Why would Ico have responded to a vote on him as a player of either alignment with limited time when said player wasn't attempting to engage and there was a player who was? Like... Your complaint becomes entirely meaningless with basic context. What post of yours did you specifically expect Ico to respond to?

How would you describe:

the original knee jerk "I've just read my Role PM and I'm gonna play this way" stuff

if not as a tonal read?


If I'm wrong on what your case is, maybe make your case clear.

[Bingle]

Also please include links to the post you're quoting at the very least if you're going to insist on handtyping the quote tags instead of using the board function. I had to go back and make sure you weren't responding to VP saying almost the same things as me and someone paying a little bit less attention might not have realized you'd responded to them at all.

[Bingle]

The post 1287 was quoting, for reference:

So you know the original knee jerk "I've just read my Role PM and I'm gonna play this way" stuff you already quoted. You already know that I feel after he disappeared he avoided me after I voted him and tried to get people to join me. You already know that the fact that Dunn and Gamma wagons took off but Iconeum had verbal support without votes made me feel like he had buddies not wanting to vote him. And you already know I don't like his replacement coming in and talking down at his play.

Bullet points:

Tone from entry
Disappeared from thread
Dunn and Gamma had wagons, ico had vocal support
Darby mentioned that ico was thread absent.

Let’s dig into this. If ico wasn’t getting support for an elimination, who was the scum driving that? Like, who are the buddies who were susp of him and weren’t voting him? Does the whole Datisi is a dragon whisperer bit play into that?

Given that he lurked into replacement, do you really think “He’s scum avoiding me” is a better explanation than “He’s busy Irl?” Did you look at his activity elsewhere on the site?

Can you remind me what it was about his tone you didn’t like?

I have to agree with skitter that Darby wasn’t really showing the amished tell, if that even is scum indicative nowadays. Amished is wow-my-slot-so-scummy and all I see from Darby is wow-my-slot-so-not-here.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Oh wow. That was Bingle. I gotta process

[Sleepless Assassin]

Maybe I'm not communicating right because I can't see both intentionally having it wrong what I'm trying to say and what I'm not.

[Sleepless Assassin]

As far as the questions go: the first one is pretty relevant, given that your position is "Ico is scum because scum were driving the elimination elsewhere." I'd expect at least some amount of looking to see if scum were in fact driving the wagon elsewhere

It's more a general feel kind of thing. Figuring out who specifically is doing it makes more sense once it's proven to be a correct theory. But I gave my guesses in the post where I thought you were VP.

The second one is also relevant. Why would Ico have responded to a vote on him as a player of either alignment with limited time when said player wasn't attempting to engage and there was a player who was? Like... Your complaint becomes entirely meaningless with basic context. What post of yours did you specifically expect Ico to respond to?

I know it's been a while but I remember it being pretty standard to be expected to address suspicion on you and I doubt site meta has changed THAT much. So if he didn't understand why I was voting him he should have asked. But my second post I followed up on the vote. And any of them after that where I said something about his posts. I wouldn't expect him to respond if I used his name directed at someone else.

How would you describe:
Some Dude In Seattle wrote:
the original knee jerk "I've just read my Role PM and I'm gonna play this way" stuff
if not as a tonal read?

I'm not sure. Not tone. Maybe psychological?

Also please include links to the post you're quoting at the very least if you're going to insist on handtyping the quote tags instead of using the board function. I had to go back and make sure you weren't responding to VP saying almost the same things as me and someone paying a little bit less attention might not have realized you'd responded to them at all.

How do I do that? I'm new to my phone. It's an android one. Galaxy S something if that makes a difference.

[Sleepless Assassin]

Now that I go back and read calmly, Bingles post does like more calm and question oriented than VPs had. But VP not understanding me may be more on me than I realized. I need to rethink my VP read yet again.

[VP Baltar]

How do I do that? I'm new to my phone. It's an android one. Galaxy S something if that makes a difference.

phone quoting is hard, but you can highlight a piece of text and click the quote button to quote just that highlighted text. you can also just quote the entire post and respond below it so the reference materials are at least there.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald
Almost50

PenguinPower

Not_Mafia

SirCakez

Dunnstral
Sleepless Assassin

Fun and Games (skitter30 & PookyTheMagicalBear)

Bingle

VP Baltar

Datisi
DArby Iconeum

Enchant

this is where my reads are sitting rn (I don't rlly have scumread, just people I don't TR)