Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

[armlx]

I'm saying there is no town in this game because each alignment wants someone else dead. Ergo, there is no town. Just people who want other people dead.

Town wants mafia/SK dead in normal games.

Just saying.

[Natirasha]

For the record, I have a similar WinCon to the army of light one, although it is not that one exactly.

I have the anti-shadow win condition, which is to destroy all shadow operatives and to kill all survivors.

Additionally, my other Win Condition also has Narn as a team I must kill. I will keep the specific name quiet until I must.

However, my alignment is not any of the ones listed in RandomGem's PM, which leads me to believe there are...at minimum, 7 alignments in the game right now.

Ergo, I believe it is safe to assume that the Shadow Operatives and possibly Narn are the "informed minorities" in this game, and are who we should be looking for.

Agree/disagree?

[Natirasha]

Oh, and I suspect that we have some crazy crazy bandwagoning going on right now.

[malthusis]

@Nat: I think I know who you are after all this conversation. And no, with this discovery I have found out that the Narn are not a informed minority and my suspicions were right about the massfaction claim being a bad idea.

[malthusis]

EBWOP: I think I have figured out what all the factions win conditions are and will reveal them if people want me to. I think Nat is totally lying scum with a contradicting message in his post. Therefore...

Vote: Nat

[forbiddanlight]

Nat is confirmed non town indeed. And I believe earlier we were discussing what to do with non town. I endorse a Nat lynch today, and a Kinetic vig if we happen to have any vigs.

Unvote, Vote Natirasha

[Natirasha]

Fucking god. Seriously?

Look, you have to think of this game in terms of uninformed majority-informed minority, not Town-Scum.

However, I'm going to claim.

I am Naroon, Vanilla Anti-Shadow/Minbari Mutator. Each day, I gain a different power. Today, I am untargetable.

My win conditions are these.
Anti-Shadow: Kill all shadow operatives and survivors.
Minbari: Kill all EarthForce and Narn players.

If the "Army of Light" is the biggest uninformed majority, then getting rid of me is a bad idea. As I said, I think killing survivors and shadow operatives is easier than finiding EF and Narn. And, who knows, I might get a more useful power eventually.

Look, in this game, you do not have to lynch everyone not of your alignment, only those that you need to kill for your win condition. Ergo, it is useless to lynch me unless you need Minbari dead.

[veerus]

Army of Light is listed in green in randomgem's role pm.. Green = town usually... thus army of light = town... right? Can we agree on that?

That being said, Nat, I have a hard time believing your claim.

Unvote, Vote: Natirasha

[forbiddanlight]

Why am I reminded RUDELY of Mind Screw by that claim? "Oh, I get super powers, keep me alive town". We aren't KKing it today.

[Natirasha]

Why am I reminded RUDELY of Mind Screw by that claim? "Oh, I get super powers, keep me alive town". We aren't KKing it today.

...what? I never claimed to get more powers in MS2. I claimed to be an ability cop(which was partially true), and a survivor(which was also partially true). The whole Lover-Mason thing was because I thought Malthy had Inversion.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm believe Nat's claim.

[forbiddanlight]

...what? I never claimed to get more powers in MS2. I claimed to be an ability cop(which was partially true), and a survivor(which was also partially true). The whole Lover-Mason thing was because I thought Malthy had Inversion.

No, actually, what you said in that game was that the town should keep you around because you have neat powers.

I'm believe Nat's claim.

Why?

[Natirasha]

Well, I was talking about my ability cop ability...

[forbiddanlight]

Well, I was talking about my ability cop ability...

Either way, that's just further justification. My main reason stretches back to early D1 discussion. Lynch all non town.

[Natirasha]

Forbiddan, I just said this: There is no town. Although the largest uninformed majority is the Army of Light, apparently, that doesn't change the fact that there is no true "town". We have seen at least seven alignments(Army of Light, Anti-Shadow, Minbari, Shadow, Narn, Survivor, and EarthForce), and I'm fairly sure that at least three of those are uninformed majorities.

[Tarhalindur]

"How will this end?"
"In fire." - Emperor Turhan and Kosh

Considering how active the game has been lately... this is the easiest Mod Deadline Review PASS I have ever made. Final Deadline set: October 31, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6). (Make sure to have a costume for it.)

Also, Cybele is being prodded with a sharp stick... er, PM. - Tar

The Thirteenth Vote Count (aka the "TKO" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

VisMaior (0)
Empking (0)
malthusis (0)
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (4) - Natirasha, VisMaior, DrippingGoofball, cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer)
Cybele (3) - MafiaSSK, pacman281292, dybeck (rep. soaperguy29)
MafiaSSK (1) - Mana_Ku
armlx (0)
Darox (rep. seraphim) (0)
forbiddanlight (0)
populartajo (0)
Mana_Ku (0)
Natirasha (10) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon), armlx, RandomGem, Darox, (rep. seraphim), Empking, farside22 (rep. Tovarish), malthusis, forbiddanlight, veerus, hp [leaves]
veerus (0)
The Internet (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (0)
pacman281292 (0)
RandomGem (0)
hp [leaves] (0)
dybeck (rep. soaperguy29) (0)
farside22 (rep. Tovarish) (0)

Not Voting (3): Cybele, populartajo, TheInternet

Votes required to lynch: 12

FoS Count:

VisMaior (1) - farside22
Empking (1) - veerus
malthusis (1) - armlx
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (2) - Cybele, The Internet
Cybele (3) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon), Natirasha, veerus
MafiaSSK (1) - malthusis
armlx (1) - VisMaior
Darox (rep. seraphim) (1) - hp [leaves]
forbiddanlight (3) - Empking, Kinetic, veerus
populartajo
Mana_Ku
Natirasha
veerus (1) - Empking
The Internet (1) - Kinetic
DrippingGoofball
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (1) - malthusis
pacman281292
RandomGem (1) - pacman281292
hp [leaves] (1) - Kinetic
soaperguy21
Tovarish
people pushing this idea (1) - malthusis
Tarhalindur (1) - Kinetic
Mastermind of Sin (1) - Kinetic
Glork (1) - Kinetic
Lucky Charms (The Cereal) (2) - Kinetic, RandomGem

Current and Final Deadline:

October 31, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

[armlx]

I'm trying to figure out a way to test this without revealing a power role.

[hp [leaves]]

UnFoS

Yes, I'd also like to see Nat defend himself.

Wait, actually Darox's post just pretty much convinced me.

Vote: Nat

Err, Tar; I think I voted.

[Kinetic]

Don't lynch Nat. I've broken the game.

Unvote:Nat

Big post coming.

[Kinetic]

Nat is scum, but I need your guys help to break this game wide open. Are you guys willing to listen to me and give me a little bit of trust? Because for my plan to work I'm going to have to leave you guys in the dark about the final part. However, I won't leave you guys in the dark about the main finding.

First off, Nat is wrong. There are at LEAST 9 win conditions. However, there are only 3 factions. Every body has two types of win conditions, a faction win condition and a race win condition. There are either six or seven races, I'm not sure yet, but I think there might be seven and one race that I can't find, but I'm going to operate on the belief there is only six right now. If there is a seventh (which is what I believe), please someone fill in the blank for me. However, knowing that there is a seventh race doesn't break my plan, but I'm prepared to move forward if there is six or seven. Either way my plan works.

I believe that the Army of Light is the town faction. For this to be true than Vorlons and Shadow must be two OPPOSING mafia factions in this game. Since Nat's first win condition ONLY mentions Shadows, then this win condition must be his faction one. I believe this win condition should also mention the Army of Light, but even if it doesn't then it doesn't matter. He is a Vorlon Operative, and as the Army of Light, we must stop him.

Second, I know he is is trying to push the town away from the Army of Light win condition as town. He's locking onto the Narn as evil. The Narn aren't inherently mafia in this game. All of the race win conditions are RED HERRINGS! They are to put the town at odds with each other so the mafia can win in the chaos. You must ignore these. We must find the Shadow and Vorlon operatives. To do so we must ignore these petty race squabbles. Additionally, I will now post what I believe are all of the races, who they want to kill, and who wants to kill them. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but if I'm right, tell me as well. Here are (what I believe) are all the factions in the game and all of their win conditions.

Faction Win Conditions
Army of Light (Town): Defeat Shadows and Vorlon Operatives
Shadow Operatives(Mafia A): Defeat Vorlons and AOL
Vorlon Operatives(Mafia B): Defeat Shadows and AOL

Race Win Conditions
Minbari: Kill Earthforce and Narn, they are hunted by Babylon 5 and Unaligned Worlds
Earthforce: Kill unaligned and Centauri, are hunted by Babylon 5 and Minbari
Babylon 5: Kill Earthforce and Minbari, are hunted by unaligned and Narn
Centauri: Kill unaligned and Narn, are huned by Narn and Earthforce
Narn: Kill Centauri and B5, are hunted by Minbari and Centauri
Unaligned: Kill B5 and Minbari, are hunted by Centauri and Earth force

It is just a big circle guys. We're all hunting each other and in the end the scum will win. We must ignore these win conditions and work toward the Army of Light win condition. I know you all have it, and if you don't, you're not town. If there is seven race win conditions then a few of the above race win conditions are wrong, but the circle will still be there I'm sure. The race win conditions are meant to break the town up.

There might be other WCs (Survivor, etc etc) but everyone will have a race win condition. I don't know any of the true neutral faction win conditions, if there even are any.

Now, for my plan, and where you're going to have to trust me and give me a little leap of faith.

I propose a race claim. I want to know exactly who everyone's race is. I cannot tell you exactly why I want this. Not yet. But I will tell you this: I have no intention of hunting people specifically of their race. I realize this is similar to my WC claim from earlier, but now that I have all the facts, I'm figured out this game and I'm pretty sure I've broken it, I just need a little more information to put my plan into action.

I PROMISE to reveal my entire plan immediately after the race claim, but I need to have the claim before I reveal this final part.

[hp [leaves]]

Kinetic I'm actually aware of one more faction that doesn't interfere with the army of light.

[hp [leaves]]

Also I totally believe Nat's claim on anti-shadow so I'll

unvote

[dybeck]

I've heard enough to know where my vote should be.

unvote, vote: Natirasha

[cr3t1n]

i believ natirashas claim

i dont fink kinetic was busing him

unvote

malt is still ignoring me

vote; malthusis

[dybeck]

I've heard enough to know where my vote should be.

unvote, vote: Natirasha

Actually, maybe not.

unvote, vote: Cybele