Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

[armlx]

Malth: It was regarding the vig comment.

And SSK, I'm up for you making a contribution to this game at some point.

[pacman281292]

A mass claim right now is silly. It's been confirmed that there are at least five sides and, I'm guessing, probably at least twice as many WCs.

Yeah. Massclaim D1 (as I've seen in "normal" games) is something stupid that just works in case of open setups.
But Tar games are not "normal games"...
No. I don't agree with massclaiming. That's (imo) stupid).
@armlx: vig? who commented about that (I've nto payed too many attention, but...) ?

[armlx]

You know that trying to mass claim faction names (not WC's) is practically mass genocide? When WC's are saying that you have to kill a faction, this is going to be an utter vigfest. FoS: people pushing this idea

There you go pacman.

And D1 mass claim is only "optimal" in A) games with too few townies and/or too many vanilla mafiates and B) poorly designed theme games.

[RandomGem]

Busy today, and I think I'm approaching 72 hours, so here's my post to avoid a second prod and remind people I'm still here. Barely. >.>

I don't support a massclaim, but also don't think Kinetic is scummy just for suggesting one... I think town is just as likely to want one. Town is the

uninformed

majority, after all...

[Natirasha]

Busy today, and I think I'm approaching 72 hours, so here's my post to avoid a second prod and remind people I'm still here. Barely. >.>

I don't support a massclaim, but also don't think Kinetic is scummy just for suggesting one... I think town is just as likely to want one. Town is the

uninformed

majority, after all...

2 things.

1. There is no town in this game.
2. Are you seriously trying to use that as reasoning?

[Tarhalindur]

The Epsilon 3 Mod Scene

Even in the best of times, the Zocalo is full of the voices of the angry, the vengeful, the judgemental, and the drunk... but today, with the situation so dire, is even louder than normal. Accusations, recriminations, and lies ring out, all in service of the myriad agendas that now battle for control of the station.

One voice, however, suddenly stands out. It isn't a voice you've heard before (Or is it? It does sound familiar...), which is probably a good thing given that the "person" uttering it appears to be a hologram consisting of orange light. The message, however, is clear enough...

"I have been asked to lay bare RandomGem's soul and show it to you all. This I have done, and this I have seen..."

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange this for me, Mr. Morden?"

Welcome to Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams,

RandomGem

. You are

Vir Cotto

. As an idealistic, if naive, Centauri, you've decided to help in the fight to save Babylon 5.

You are a

Army of Light/Centauri Member

. You have no special abilities.

You win if you fulfill any one (1) of the following win conditions:

Army of Light Win Condition: All Shadow Operatives and Vorlon Operatives must die.

Centauri Win Condition: All Narn and League of Unaligned Worlds players must die.

Please confirm via return PM.

"I pray that this information will be of service. Remember the third principle. Until we meet again..."

You look around, confused, and then resume your arguing. Will you take these words into account? Or will you disregard them? More importantly, why will you make your decision?

[Tarhalindur]

"Well, take this for what little it will profit you. As I look at you, Ambassador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sounds–the sounds of billions of people calling your name."
"My followers?"
"Your victims." - Technomage Elric and Londo Mollari

The Twelfth Vote Count (aka the "Signs and Portents" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

VisMaior (1) - cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer)
Empking (0)
malthusis (0)
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (7) - Darox (rep. seraphim), Natirasha, forbiddanlight, VisMaior, veerus, farside22 (rep. Tovarish), DrippingGoofball
Cybele (4) - MafiaSSK, pacman281292, dybeck (rep. soaperguy29), armlx
MafiaSSK (1) - Mana_Ku
armlx (0)
Darox (rep. seraphim) (0)
forbiddanlight (0)
populartajo (0)
Mana_Ku (0)
Natirasha (1) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon)
veerus (0)
The Internet (0)
DrippingGoofball (0)
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (2) - RandomGem, malthusis
pacman281292 (0)
RandomGem (0)
hp [leaves] (1) - Empking
dybeck (rep. soaperguy29) (0)
farside22 (rep. Tovarish) (0)

Not Voting (4): Cybele, populartajo, TheInternet, hp [leaves]

Votes required to lynch: 12

FoS Count:

VisMaior
Empking (1) - veerus
malthusis (1) - armlx
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (2) - Cybele, The Internet
Cybele (3) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon), Natirasha, veerus
MafiaSSK (1) - malthusis
armlx (1) - VisMaior
Darox (rep. seraphim) (1) - hp [leaves]
forbiddanlight (3) - Empking, Kinetic, veerus
populartajo
Mana_Ku
Natirasha
veerus (1) - Empking
The Internet (1) - Kinetic
DrippingGoofball
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (1) - malthusis
pacman281292
RandomGem (1) - pacman281292
hp [leaves] (1) - Kinetic
soaperguy21
Tovarish
people pushing this idea (1) - malthusis
Tarhalindur (1) - Kinetic
Mastermind of Sin (1) - Kinetic
Glork (1) - Kinetic
Lucky Charms (The Cereal) (1) - Kinetic

Current Deadline:

October 24, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

Second Mod Deadline Review:

October 17, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

[RandomGem]

Uh, what the heck...
Well, now I understand why you guys say Tar games are weird. (I also read Mind Screw II... XD)
I have a feeling this will not be good for me. (In case it isn't obvious, that

is

my Role PM.)

[armlx]

1. There is no town in this game.

Unvote, Vote Nat

Confirmed non-town = die plz.

[RandomGem]

Mmkay.

Unvote Cr3t1n, Vote Natirasha

And about my reasoning... especially now that everyone knows what I am, I wouldn't expressly hate knowing what everyone else is. (Yes, I acknolwedge that that is not good strategy...)

FoS: Lucky Charms

for the hell of it too.

[Darox]

1. There is no town in this game.

Oh, ok.

Wait, what?

Oh and, I don't know how you can not know which faction is town, because I was explicitly told which faction is known as the "town" faction.

Unvote, Vote Natirasha

[cr3t1n]

I'm going to point it out one more time, and unless you're slow you understand. I want everyone to claim. I think its a good idea. I refuse to claim unless there is a consensus that everyone will claim. You want me to claim without that consensus, and you are trying to (not so cleverly) hide your intent behind semantics.

You want EXACTLY what I want, and you've already heard my terms. You don't reject my terms and then expect me to just give you what you want. You want my claim, I want yours and everyone else in return. That's how this goes down. I'll leave no shadow of a doubt exactly who the town is.

u shud claim bcuz we r going 2 lynch u if u dont

i fink u slipped wen u said u were bussing 2

unvote vote; kinetic

malthusis u didnt answer my question
y

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Nat

I still think Hp is scum but not as much as I think Nat is not town.

[malthusis]

I'm going to wait to vote Nat until she comes here and defends herself first.

Unvote

[VisMaior]

I find the timing of RandomGems posts very suspicious. I can imagein a role along the lines of "ill post your fakeclaim in thread if $condition".

[hp [leaves]]

UnFoS

Yes, I'd also like to see Nat defend himself.

Wait, actually Darox's post just pretty much convinced me.

Vote: Nat

[farside22]

I find the timing of RandomGems posts very suspicious. I can imagein a role along the lines of "ill post your fakeclaim in thread if $condition".

Did you miss the post that the Mod just did on this page?

FOS Vis

unvote
vote: Nat

[Empking]

I find the timing of RandomGems posts very suspicious. I can imagein a role along the lines of "ill post your fakeclaim in thread if $condition".

Did you miss the post that the Mod just did on this page?

FOS Vis

I don't understand that. Would you please explain.

[farside22]

I find the timing of RandomGems posts very suspicious. I can imagein a role along the lines of "ill post your fakeclaim in thread if $condition".

Did you miss the post that the Mod just did on this page?

FOS Vis

I don't understand that. Would you please explain.

To me it seems Vis is question Random because of something the mod posted. Does he think the mod is faking? Or what? Mod's don't route for one side or another. They just mod.

[Natirasha]

I'm saying there is no town in this game because each alignment wants someone else dead. Ergo, there is no town. Just people who want other people dead.

[VisMaior]

Does he think the mod is faking

Well, I dont think this was the action of the mod at all. There are 2 options:

1. someone has the ability to make the mod post someone elses PM
2. RandomGen has the ability to make the mod post a fake pm

And the timing suggests, it could very easily be Nr. 2

[Empking]

I'm saying there is no town in this game because each alignment wants someone else dead. Ergo, there is no town. Just people who want other people dead.

What do you think Town normally wants.

[farside22]

Does he think the mod is faking

Well, I dont think this was the action of the mod at all. There are 2 options:

1. someone has the ability to make the mod post someone elses PM
2. RandomGen has the ability to make the mod post a fake pm

And the timing suggests, it could very easily be Nr. 2

So you think the timing of the mod's post and random's comment there after is suspect?

[VisMaior]

Hm. I kinda can see where Nat is coming from.
Can we say "Army of light" is town?

[Empking]

Yes.