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Well, I'm acting stupid. I'd be surprised if I'm not dead by tomorrow at the rate those votes are accumulating. Well, with most hope long-since gone, let me see if I can make even a pathetic few comments. And pressure doesn't affect me. You're right about not needed pressure to make me crack--I'm rather terrible at this, now, aren't I? Well, back to page one it is. I don't know how to fully use the quote function here (different than most), but...meh, you never know 'til you try.
Don't go out and say you're going to try something unusual, it just makes you look like complete scum.
Obviously, honesty backfired terribly here. I probably would've been better off not saying that, since you are correct. It DOES make me look scummy. But I must say, I had been planning a strategy since the moment I even glimpsed a mafia game a month ago. What good does it do me? None, actually. At this point, I'm pretty screwed. What's the vote count at for me? Three? Four? *sighs*
Mastin definately has stepping into some trouble. Saying that you are going to "try something" makes us all look like suckers if we let you get away with that and then turn out to be scum.
*grumbles about how he hates typos* Sorry. Irrelevant; I dislike typos, and definately is one. (Favorite Nickname: Typo Master. There's a reason for that, but it has no relevance)
Well, onto the point: it is true. If I am scum, then everyone ends up looking like fools. If I'm just an idiotic villager who really, really needs to work on his mafia skills, then, however, then people look even more like a fool, since that's two out of seven villagers gone.
I entirely agree. My only problem with that is that it's too obvious. It very well may be a newbie mistake, and it's almost making the too scummy to be scum fallacy, but I figure I can always change my vote.
This is logic that I can agree with. Umm...I don't believe that it violates any rules to talk about a mafia game on another forum which I don't think many people from there actually come here.
Battleon Forums, in the Unofficial Contests and Games, has a mafia game. One of the players there was experienced and correctly pointed out two mafia members. (Was killed after the first was lynched.) There is a third on that list, one who also posted something along the lines of 'im going to come back for you'. Now, if that third member was mafia...well, needless to say, if I was playing the game, I'd come up with only two possible conclusions:
1: The player was really, really stupid and seriously needs to work on mafia skills.
2: Oh, come on! No player is THAT stupid; killing one who is suspicious of you only draws more attention to you! By saying that line, only newer, inexperienced players will think that person to be guilty. Experienced players know that it could very well be different, though. Either #1 is true, or they're innocent and are trying...well, essentially, reverse psychology.
So, if you can see the similarities, it all comes down to if I was being really, really, really, REALLY stupid (mafia OR villager), or if it was some type of tactic of mine. Stupid, and obviously backfiring? Of course; I can see that now, but there's a little universal rule that I am dedicated to following preventing tampering, if you know what I mean.
My logic, no matter how you look at it, will be flawed, though. I've never been good at this type of game, my only weapon being semi-philosophical rants that loop back in an attempt to confuse players.
the longer Mastin goes without posting.. the more votes I'm sure he's going to attract.
And when I post, it's too late; the fingers have been pointed, and I'm at *counts* L-2. (Meh, not an argument; just a random note. It's true, no?)
That is the most backwards logic I've EVER seen mastin. EVER. Defending yourself does not increase suspicion on you, and you only gain suspicion from a GOOD attack. It's a character trait of scum to be noncommittal and try to look like he's on everyone's side. FACT. Right now, you're showing the quintessential anti-town behavior. We haven't even heard from everybody and you're making yourself look suspicious. Nobody even needs to pressure you, either you're a terrible town player or SCUM, and either way, I don't think we need you.
...Personal belief. It's something that I have observed...well, everywhere, on and offline. When defending yourself, it only draws more attention to the accuser and the accused. At least, that's what experience has told me. If you disagree with this or have seen differently, then thanks for the warning. And I will make no such attempt to look like I'm on everyone's side. Such actions are meaningless; I'm either town or mafia, so I will act as such. Looking suspicious is another reverse-psychology tactic that I am trying. While I've read several mafia games, this is my first attempt at playing in one, so I am trying out strategies that have been formulated since then.
And the logic that we don't need even a terrible townie is perhaps the worst I've ever seen. If I'm scum, well, the mafia's chances of winning are halved. If, however, I am not mafia, then that would instantly take out two villagers, leaving only five. While odds still favor the village, I find that kind of logic to be the kind that is meant to get a quick lynch. While I will not vote for you, I am finding myself having quite a FoS for just that one line. Please do clear my suspicions by explaining your last sentence.
But right now, you have very little to lose.
So I have noticed... <_<
People are looking for your head based on your opening post.
And I probably deserve it.
If you are town, I'd rather not have you lynched, so talk to us and explain yourself.
Well, you said it: I have little to lose. Looking at my planned strategies (all of them), I realize that not a single one of them was a good idea and all would make things worse. One of the main ones would've been role claiming, if allowed (since not all games allow it). Whatever the strategy, I'd use my character-limit-breaking rambles (I've reached character limits on four forums.) to try and see to it that I do not get lynched, since no matter my alignment, getting lynched = bad.
Claims new, covert strategy that he thinks may get him lynched.
L-2, anyone? It appears that my thoughts are correct.
This is scummy for hiding information and showing an apparent unconcern for whether he's lynched or not (if he's town, he should want town to survive; if he's scum, he may be faking nonchalance).
Scummy? This one I fail to see. If I was mafia, I'd want to survive at all costs, since the second one mafia dies, the chances of the mafia winning are halved. If I was mafia, then I'd probably want to...blend in, I believe the correct term would be. By sticking out, saying I'm going to get lynched...well, it seems to attack more attention than it detracts. If I'm lynched and am found townie, that's nearly half of the villager's chance of survival gone as well. But, even so, as I am writing this and looking back at my posts...well, I realize that, at the core of the game, either villager or mafia fits the profile, yet it DOES lean towards mafia.
Meh, I'll summarize the very few points supporting me being pro-village compared to the massive list of things that point to me being mafia in just a second. Still got a few quotes to point out.
and somewhat inscrutable use of abbreviation as well
Why point this out...at all? It has no relevance to the topic. I find it unusual that such a thing would be pointed out.
I'm not moving my vote yet because I'd like to see if this strange behavior passes. More concerning though is that Mastin doesn't seem to be valuing the "treat this game like a commitment" rule. Certainly a break can be taken from anime in order to honor a commitment.
1: Take your vote, buddy. I'm always strange. I've been called crazy, insane, deluded, and many others by multiple people. I tend to use the most outrageous approaches possible. It will probably one get worse as the L-2 becomes L-1.
2: Oh, I take it very seriously, thank you very much. I do treat it as a commitment. But think of it this way: those anime show at 5 am in the morning; they do NOT repeat. I've got only one chance to watch it. I don't have the option of effectively watching anime online, with a limit in bandwidth too low to watch a video without my internet service being cut off. Now, which is worse? Not logging on 2-4 days a week, or mysteriously disappearing for months, if not longer?
Needless to say, I have every intention of posting as often as I can. (Until the lynch, since that seems to be where this is headed...fast. I cannot effectively defend myself.)
Summary:
Pro-villager
--Is quite the newb at mafia. I could just be playing terribly.
--Is rather honest. (Stupidly honest)
Mafia
--Again, is a newb.
--Is hypocritical. I imagine my logic here and earlier logic conflict. This is often interpreted as scummy.
--Seems to hint at being mafia. I'm really making myself look like the enemy, aren't I?
--Is close enough to lynching to be desperate. Well, I would be, but while I am dedicated to this game and will do my best to play it, it's not like I'm panicking or anything; I still see it as just a game. Both of which seem to be a little scummy.
While there aren't that many more pointing to me being mafia than that of villager (in my opinion; I probably missed a great deal), those for mafia carry significantly more weight.
So, what am I doing, posting this? Is it an act of desperation? Almost certainly. Am I trying to prevent my death? Of course. Albeit unintentionally at first, I've made myself look scummy and now have made myself look even more so, despite advice to not do that, as it would only hinder the efforts of the village if I were, truly, a villager. So, now what? Do you believe the evidence that I'm scum and just flat-out lynch me? Do you debate it for days before performing the same action? I really can't defend myself any further. There's no way that I am not at your mercy. So, what to do? I'm not going to cast a vote. I have no reason to do so, as none here, save for me, look extremely suspicious. I'm certainly not voting for myself. Am I scummy? Well, probably. Let's put it this way: if I wasn't scummy yet was acting scummy and somehow survived the first day, there's a good chance that the real mafia would target me, killing me. So, by that (also flawed) logic, the only answer would be that I'm scum, correct? Or maybe I am just trying to confuse the players into removing their votes. Simply put, I cannot say that I'm either scum, nor townie, at the moment. It would only lessen my chances of survival, either way. Is this just part of my old plan, of possibly reverse psychology? Or am I just being an idiot who's hammering himself with evidence of extreme guilt.
Well, it comes down to two votes. Go ahead and make your decision and make it quick; you might regret hesitating.
