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[armlx]

How does tunnel vision apply to scum BA?

[curiouskarmadog]

BA and Emp's interactions with each other (or lack thereof) and thoughts on each other are freaking mind boggling.

[ShadowGirl]

Busy until the weekend. RL things that need to be done. Have reread the first five pages.

[Erratus Apathos]

@EA - it seems like you are saying that you arn't paying attention to anything but your case and your suspects?? dont' you think that is too tunnel visioned? shouldn't you be reading everything happening in the game if you expect to be able to catch scum?

I read Empking's posts, they just didn't grab my attention.

Looking over CKD's review of Empking, I don't believe it's a tell. I think he honestly believed he'd given satisfactory answers.

[Ku_F]

Electra, now I'm confused.
I'm midhigh as I random voted Stef and Stef me. In your next post, you say that you don't know if the double random vote is less or more suspicious than a single random vote. But in that same post you say that eventhough SG random voted Stef, it doesn't change her level as she doesn't adress Stef afterwards. Then tell me why I'm midhigh and SG medium.

Also you say that one of the following five is scum: Empking, Electra, BA, Jebus and Rush.
Of those players, BA is the only one who has a midhigh level. Then why aren't you voting him? You're only excuse is that it seems to obvious.
However, we don't know what the scum could have planned for this day to try and save Stef (and BA if he's scum) as Stef was killed last night. Their whole plan was suddenly destroyed.

Also what does BA have to do with the connection of each player with Stef (see TSN)?

[Empking]

...

If anyone was too lazy to read all of it, the short version is:
CKD assked questions.
Empking answered some of the questions.
CKD, repeated the questions he didn't answer.
Empking answers all the questions.
CKD is too lazy to read Empking's post and still moans about not answering all the questions.

CKD, what do you mean by "interaction"?

[Electra]

Electra, now I'm confused.
I'm midhigh as I random voted Stef and Stef me. In your next post, you say that you don't know if the double random vote is less or more suspicious than a single random vote. But in that same post you say that eventhough SG random voted Stef, it doesn't change her level as she doesn't adress Stef afterwards. Then tell me why I'm midhigh and SG medium.

Also you say that one of the following five is scum: Empking, Electra, BA, Jebus and Rush.
Of those players, BA is the only one who has a midhigh level. Then why aren't you voting him? You're only excuse is that it seems to obvious.
However, we don't know what the scum could have planned for this day to try and save Stef (and BA if he's scum) as Stef was killed last night. Their whole plan was suddenly destroyed.

Also what does BA have to do with the connection of each player with Stef (see TSN)?

I guess the main difference is that there was the double random vote, but you didn't address Stef otherwise, so it seems extremely coincidental. On the other hand, Shadowgirl single random voted Stef, but didn't address stef, but that's fairly common if it was truely a random vote. My commont on the one vs. two votes is sort of like asking if other people think it's actually more suspicious, or does the lack of reason for scum to so obviously vote each other override it?

As for voting, I'm not ready yet. xD Does no one think this BlakAdder thing is too obvious? After all, even though Stefdeath was a surprise, they would have had to know that Stef would still be under suspicion today and possibly be lynched? Which would have the same effect on BlakAdder. Does that make sense?

[armlx]

D1 suspicions can get tossed to the wayside really easily D2 Electra. I think you are WIFOMing yourself out of seeing the case here.

[Electra]

What is the vote count, btw? I can't find the last one.

[Jebus]

Well, my computer's fixed and I'm back for now. I'ma read up a bit.

For now, though, anyone have any questions for me to look into?

your thoughts on my case against BA?
your thoughts on my FoS at the beginning of the day?
Your thoughts on Emp and EA's "case" against me?
your thoughts on lurkers...

My thoughts on BA don't amount to much at all, I'll probably look back at this when I get time this weekend.
Same for the FoS
As for Emp and EA's "case", I don't think it holds any weight at all.
As for lurkers, well

[sekinj]

So someone thinks I was protecting Stef with my smiley post comment. <snip>First of all, I didn't protect Stef with that post. I didn't knew that smiley's could also indicate scum. But now I know. I thought it was a strange reason to start an attack, but now that it's proven that it works,

no matter that stef was scum or not, I still will never believe that smiley's are indicitive of alignment. I stand by my claim that metaing smiley's is silly... but a curious pastime... I wonder what my simley patterns show...

[sekinj]

fos: Electra

for her confusing and double stand abundant rating system.
I also think the comment the BA thing "is too obvious" is the worst defense of him yet. very back-handed approach...

[Empking]

W
As for Emp and EA's "case", I don't think it holds any weight at all.
:

You don't think quicklynching a claimed Doc is scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

W
As for Emp and EA's "case", I don't think it holds any weight at all.
:

You don't think quicklynching a claimed Doc is scummy?

another clarification, you feel my hammer was scummy, but the immediate votings that got Pop to -1 after the claim was not? why?

also, your interaction is when you both mention each other...

[Empking]

Votes leading up to L-1 don't take away the rest of the town's chance to react and unvote.

So you don't think mentioning that he was trying to clear someone (who we now know is scum) is interacting?

Also, did you think Pop was scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

so if my vote came before the hammer, you would not be up my ass today? But the fact that I hammered makes me scummy and ALL of the votes before and after the claim get a free ride?..

I thought he was lying..I didnt believe the claim, but didnt think we was that scummy(just a shitty player), until that claim...which again, I was right...

the lack of mentioning that, as you attack me is scummy..you only started considering that AFTER I have been calling you on it. Now that there has been some votes on BA and people are calling you suspicous are you now saying you might change your vote. And out of no where, BA's last post points to you as being suspicious only after you say you might consider switching votes...THAT interaction is amazing and I am surprised no one else has mentioned it.

[armlx]

Votes leading up to L-1 don't take away the rest of the town's chance to react and unvote.

They do in a way.

Also, honestly, there is no way you can attack any vote based on not believing the claim, as it was obvious he was lying and shouldn't have lied as town.

[Empking]

In what way?

CKD: Yes or no. Did you think Pop was scum?

[armlx]

In what way?

Putting someone at L-1 lets someone else hammer, putting someone at L-2 lets someone put them at L-1, etc. Mid range votes let the wagon gain momentum to be able to become a speed lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

I thought he was lying..I didnt believe the claim, but didnt think we was that scummy(just a shitty player),

until

that claim...which again, I was right...

I hammered becaue I thought he was lying..and scum

[curiouskarmadog]

did you believe the claim, Emp?

[Empking]

Didn't have time to believe the claim.

An observation:

If you thought he was scum, you would want to see how scum reacted to his claim.

You hammered before giving scum time to react therefore you must not wanted to see how scum reacted to his claim.

Therefore you didn't believe Pop was scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

you are assuming a ton with you "case"....I thought he was lying, I didnt need to see how anybody reacted to his case.....if he would have been at 0 votes or -1 to lynch, i would have voted...again the fact you are trying to pin that lynch just on me is bullshit.

and you didnt answer the question...DID YOU BELIEVE HIS CLAIM?...you must have read it, whether you had time to react or not is irrelevant to MY question...did you believe his claim..yes or no?

[Empking]

I answered.

"Didn't have time to believe the claim."

I read backwards through the thread first BTW.

[curiouskarmadog]

The timing of when you read it is irrelevant...go back and read it now if you need a reminder.

did/do you beleive the claim? (3rd time asked)