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[Iconeum]

T3's been shading a good number of people, including myself

but he hasn't really stuck his neck out on any them that I can remember, including the ones that actually got pressured so I don't know what to make of it

at the very least he's here and talkative and responding and stuff
if i seriously scumread his actions i'd be all over his ass trust me

[Iconeum]

VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai

Frankly Ico I’m finding this a little baffling.

i find the entire Wiki slot baffling

[Iconeum]

Andres - why is datisi not town to you? I feel he's posted enough to warrant at least a day 1 townlean, even for you

Datisi has voted Selynee (who I TR’ed), Three (who I TR’ed, though not strongly), Dorsey (who I also TR’ed based on the emotions I’m perceiving in their content), and geraintm (Null). Yes Datisi has massive amounts of content and is showing some Towny frustration. And we agree on some core (rather uncontroversial) reads. Except on Wiki btw - I would accept this level of posting coming from Wiki from a relative beginner, but since they’ve claimed to be experienced, it could very well be intentional to drive Town apathy (towards the game and their slot). Though continue including all the caveats I have expressed previously on the slot. So yeah, it’s the votes more than anything else that are giving me pause. But again, I could be wrong you know about how I’m seeing the game. Datisi could be Town and have a better sense than me. It’s why I’m not loudly advocating for Datisi’s execution. Just expressing reservations.

i think that's fair from your pov - ok

[Iconeum]

Go elim a50 or gera and go to the night.
If smb of them is green, this is not a big problem.
We need info

this, coming from someone who has like 5 ABSOLUTELY 100% CONFIRMED SOLID scumreads is really really weird and gross

[Iconeum]

@looker, it's really hard for me to respond to walls

like, physically and mentally

[Iconeum]

How about this....give me your most convincing scumread and like 2 or 3 sentences and I'll tell you if you're town off of it

three

he made some posts that came off as manipulative
he is approaching the game from a pov that assumes stuff

wiki's (trying) to be manipulative
i've made a few manipulative posts
hell, i've been sorting for example Datisi with assumptions - does that make me scum?

[Iconeum]

I’m trying to better understand the lack of uncertainty that Iconeum is expressing around your slot and alignment. Because the main argument they’re using for determining that you’re Town seems weak to me. There’s other indicators, Ico has alluded to them, and that’s all good, but I do think this is a bit curious.

there is definitely uncertainty about datisi slot - i'm just not expressing it
i've seen enough for a D1 townread however

[Iconeum]

Ok, andre is good, maybe datisi is also good

T3 is not so good. A50, dwlee, gera...

I have some difficulties to read looker and three now, i need to do it later. I liked some moments of them, but this is not enough...

Rn i dont read much.

All I ever hear from you is blah blah blah
So, all I ever do is go ja ja ja
And I don't even care about what you say 'cause it's
Ja ja ja ja
Blah blah blah blah

All you ever spew is scum scum scum
So, all I ever do is call you scum
And I don't even care about what you say 'cause you're
scum scum scum scum
scum scum scum scum

this has got to be my favorite post of the game so far

[Iconeum]

@Salsa

if you are fine with Three, why aren't you hopping on?

[Iconeum]

weekend vla starting soon ish

i'd love to be able and stick my vote somewhere usefull in a couple hours

[Iconeum]

@looker, it's really hard for me to respond to walls

like, physically and mentally

Additional question: Are you trying to ride the prod range until deadline?

wtf? prod range?

maybe if i engage with you directly you won't spew walls out and i can actually respond to stuff

VOTE: looker

[Iconeum]

I said you would do what you appear to be doing?

and what's that exactly? because if you think i'm prodging… i mean my iso is right there

[Iconeum]

what part in that quote needs explaining? all of it seems pretty Obvious to me?

why i don't like your entry? ok

[Iconeum]

You come in with a huge wall that does absolutely nothing but clog the game. You don't make any reads from it. No conclusions, Nothing. 'Personal notes'. Yeah, you don't make this *in the game*

you keep making posts that do nothing. Ok, maybe ur catching up but still. The posts you choose to comment on advance nothing. Not even for yourself. A lot of time spent on calling out votes from player x on player y. No conclusions, no cases, no reads. Just empty posts.

By the time you start talking about my slot, it's in such an unbelievable condescending way that I immediately lost my interest in you. I didn't like your slot to begin with.

Rereading your ISO, i don't think you've formed 2 half-assed reads and I don't think you really care about them

[Iconeum]

and now this fucking shade about me prodging?

[Iconeum]

Are you actually believing me to be prodging?

[Iconeum]

Do you have a single read in this game that is not Datisi?

[Iconeum]

I did. I thought you were dodging my questions.

Yes; despite having a week less than everyone else, I do have opinions of the players.

Are you saying that condescension is your turn-off? Are you saying a lack of reads is scummy?

dodging questions and 'riding prodging range until deadline' are 2 completely different things and you know that


i'm saying that the volume you posted and corresponding lack of reads/conclusions/opinions/content is scummy yeah
the way you are treating for example my slot just triggers me a bit - whatever

[Iconeum]

i dont trust metareading

why the fuck did you make a half-assed meta case on me then?

[Iconeum]

I don't know what E-x I'm at but whatever, I'm about to go to bed and somebody might quick hammer before I wake up. I'm VT. Now stop throwing and vote actual scum. If you think scum plays the way I have i.e. not giving a shit about how I'm perceived and pressuring commonly town read players, you might want to reconsider what you think scumminess actually looks like.

I want to vote within my scum reads + Wiki. Geraintm and T3 are useless flips since they have low content and low progression respectively. If either are scum then cool, but I don't fucking know that, and you're kidding yourself if you think either of them have made themselves readable enough to figure that out today.

there's like 3 or whatever votes on you...

[Iconeum]

how do you know they're townies

[Iconeum]

your level of confidence is too damn high and unnatural

[Iconeum]

how do you know they're townies

you was voting YOUR townies, people who are townies FOR YOU

i still voted for my townies according to your own logic. That fact hasn't been taken away. I was lockscum for you at a point in the game. Now ur considering me town.

What changed, because your reasoning certainly hasnt

[Iconeum]

go away in vla

what's wrong? getting anxcious people are starting to look your way?

[Iconeum]

I don't know what E-x I'm at but whatever, I'm about to go to bed and somebody might quick hammer before I wake up. I'm VT. Now stop throwing and vote actual scum. If you think scum plays the way I have i.e. not giving a shit about how I'm perceived and pressuring commonly town read players, you might want to reconsider what you think scumminess actually looks like.

I want to vote within my scum reads + Wiki. Geraintm and T3 are useless flips since they have low content and low progression respectively. If either are scum then cool, but I don't fucking know that, and you're kidding yourself if you think either of them have made themselves readable enough to figure that out today.

there's like 3 or whatever votes on you...

I just counted, I think I'm at E-2 and my slot is being considered by other players as well. There is a good chance I'm put at E-1 or accidentally quick hammered before I even wake up at the rate we're going, especially since we never managed to get a real wagon going all of Day 1.

i don't think there's been a single wagon at more then 3 votes for the entire day so yeah

[Iconeum]

three, if you are not experienced player and town, maybe start listening to people who are townies for you?

this is extremely rich coming from you

[Iconeum]

one of the simpliest way to play this game - is to find 1-2 townies and TO WORK TOGETHER, or just to sheep them

there's this bloodlust coming over me

can't really pinpoint where it's coming from hmmmmmmmm

[Iconeum]

i'm retracting my Wiki townread i think

how does town!wiki have me at lockscum for x reasons (it doesn't matter they're bad reasons as long as he firmly believes them), the reasons don't change, and now i'm considered as town just because datisi and me are townreading each other?

[Iconeum]

go away in vla

what's wrong? getting anxcious people are starting to look your way?

youd better go vla

and now he's getting nervous when i'm starting to talk about him

[Iconeum]

youd better go vla

i think i have just enough time to try and sell a Wiki yeet today

[Iconeum]

worst case Wiki is town and we take away the biggest threat to town cohesion

[Iconeum]

like i said i dont touch ico-datisi because u are townreading each other.
this is not my mistake if one of them is a scum.
im waiting for tomorrow's info
patiently

bullshit

datisi and me were townreading each other at the time of your push on me - you had me at lockscum, datisi was defending me and you scumread him for it

nothing changed yet now we are both off-limits?

you've been scumreading people with a 1.000% confidence level, don't give me any crap about waiting for info. you haven't playet this at all like you wanna wait for info.

[Iconeum]

why are you angry? or why is it growing?

[Iconeum]

i was on rvs stage most of the day

VOTE: Wiki

gtfo

[Iconeum]

i don't think you made 10 posts before you left RVS

[Iconeum]

because of stupidness

yeah i get that

having to deal with stupidness is can really get under your skin right

[Iconeum]

now go away

not before i've tried everything to get you yeeted today

[Iconeum]

i don't think you made 10 posts before you left RVS

i dont care what you think, u even dont understand the simple reason i was scumreading you. still!

nothing about that 'simple reason' changed
but you are not scumreading me anymore because !?datisi and i are townreading each other?!

that's not a switch that comes from town i think - it's agenda based

[Iconeum]

literally ur saving us to be chainpushed - that's what i'm feeling here

[Iconeum]

weekend vla

starting soon

[Iconeum]

i'll do my best to be around and switch votes if needed

[Iconeum]

just don't count on it

[Iconeum]

ok so i'm back kinda

ran into some corona-related troubles but i'll try to catch up

tho i might just play from here if i dont really feel like reading what - 60 pages or whatever?

[Iconeum]

anyone care to give me a TL;DR? :p

[Iconeum]

i see it's only about 20 ish pages - that i should manage

[Iconeum]

Im 99% sure that we dont have 2 kinds of these roles in town. Three is a scum, pretending town PR.

Sely, hammer him. Under my responsability. If he is green, you can elim me next.

Is Wiki scum?

I claimed too. Three is the scum

Dorsey, vote Three. He is lying about his role.

Through the whole game I am more town than Three.
He is not PR. PR doesnt act like him on E2 and E1, pr tries to survive, but he just created new enemy for himself. I could hammer him, but i didnt. He is lying about his role.

Almost the same.

Hammer him or I will reach 1000 posts on this weekend.
Im serious. He is lying about his role, i proved it, u will see it.
Im going to sleep too.

We have almost the same roles. I dont believe in that. He has only 1 word in his claim, i have two words

Datisi wont be elimed.
Today you should choose between two prs.
It should be very easy to find a mafia between two of us.

So much horse shit
@Iconeum - What is your opinion of Three's wagon? Do you feel there was scum on it, and, if so, who? Also, why is the scum not Datisi?

Wiki

Claim or die

VOTE: wiki

[Iconeum]

Three's wagon was legit until Wiki started pushing it - he's been defending Three with all his power all fucking day until the day almost ends and he just hardcore pushes it because of a supposed counterclaim that he never committed to

Wiki is claiming - and probably eating rope

[Iconeum]

We can also just go with the die option

fair enough

[Iconeum]

but in any case

Wiki is claiming his actual role 100% of the time here - there's no way out of that

[Iconeum]

Wiki claimed "Townie" already and admitted lying.

there was not a single reason for him to lie unless he can actually counterclaim - he'd been townreading Three. Three claiming pr there is no reason to 180 that read unless it was in fact a real counterclaim

lying at that point and getting your top townread killed is just openwolfing

[Iconeum]

the logic of scum faking a counterclaim against a PR, just in an attempt to push it through, knowing they are going to get heat for it the next day - i just don't buy.
you see his play as strongly scummy.
i see it the opposite.
we are allowed to differ on this.

there's 4 scum confirmed - trading 1 scum for a confirmed town power role is an excellent trade

and there's the chance that he just like ... gets away with it

what is the town motivation exactly for what wiki did?

[Iconeum]

In a 9 - 4 setup, town need to eliminate 4 scum before eliminating three townies. A one for one trade is 100% worth it to scum in this setup.

well yeah, this

[Iconeum]

Weekend vla

[Iconeum]

rawr!

am back - i'll be catching up in an hour or 2 or whatever

[Iconeum]

the fuck am i reading here

[Iconeum]

is the game actually over or shall i start catching up?

[Iconeum]

looker openwolfing or trolling?

[Iconeum]

gottem

[Iconeum]

i really thought A50 was the other traitor xd

[Iconeum]

i truly cannot believe iconeum rolled scum against me once more, that is heartbreaking

VOTE: iconeum

@mod

(and everyone else), i'm vla every tuesday and thursday bc uni schedule is hell those days

so we finally roll scum together, and ur already bussing me? nice

VOTE: datisi

[Iconeum]

@mod, you can release the better scum pt (my pt). It's a trainwreck but hey

[Iconeum]

how they got eliminated i have no idea?

i mean, if ur actively trying to be *that* annoying… nobody really cares if you die or not. Even the ones townreading you