Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Deimos27]

Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.

I agree Noraa can't live until elo.

Won't we be in elo tomorrow if we miselim? Are you that confident NM is scum to vote him here?

[Deimos27]

Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.

I might be tunneled but bruh wtf. You sound like whiny scum like whining WHY ISNT THIS TOWN MISLIMMABLE.

It's also a strange thing to say given only Norwee has expressed a TR on me as of today.

Why is it a strange thing to explain a vote? Are you likelier to be voted by others if they

don't

know why I'm voting you?

I would also like to add that your two points here are inconsistent. Either you believe I can't genuinely be annoyed at town for not voting you (as per "it's a strange thing to say given...") or you believe I am genuinely annoyed at town for not voting you (as per "you sound like whiny scum ...").

[Not_Mafia]

How dare I be accused of prodging

[redtea]

"when I moved to redtea because I believed their playstyle to be intrinsically anti-town regardless of alignment."
wh
(would you be willing to provide critique post-game I would greatly appreciate it)

[Deimos27]

Sorry for the ambiguity that was the explanation of why the Dorsey wagon was still good and applied to them, not to you. Also "anti-town" is a bit of an exaggeration but imo they definitely had the lowest town wincon +equity.

[Deimos27]

Lowest equity in terms of playstyle, I should clarify. Lowest "intrinsic" value as I put it. I of course thought you were likelier to be scum and therefore it was higher equity to lim you.

[Deimos27]

I would also like to add that your two points here are inconsistent. Either you believe I can't genuinely be annoyed at town for not voting you (as per "it's a strange thing to say given...") or you believe I am genuinely annoyed at town for not voting you (as per "you sound like whiny scum ...").

I wouldn't actually describe myself as "annoyed" ftr, except perhaps by the fact Noraa was shading my vote saying my first two posts were bad, without asking me to explain

why

I voted.

I think it's generally good hygiene for town to explain votes and when you shouldn't it's for a situational reason. I don't think the onus is on the explainer to justify their explanation by pointing to some strong public resistance to the wagon or be labelled "weird".

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've felt really sick these last days. And reading your posts is hard Deimos. x_x

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you increase the jokiness/seriousness quantity from 5%/95% to about 30%/70%?
It would make me easier to follow, thanks~

[Deimos27]

Sorry Norwee most of it was arguing with Noraa so depending on how established your views are on me vs them you may get away with skimming.

The most interesting part may have been my deduction at the very end of the multiquote post (the one with three spoilers) that town!Noraa -> scum!Kop but it relied on quite a few premisses:

1. town!Norwee = True
2. town!TA = True
3. not!(scum!redtea & scum!NM)
(4. town!Deimos = True)

Because (1), (2) and (4), along with the assumption town!Noraa = True reduces the PoE to both scum in {NM, redtea, Kop}. And redtea voting NM to E-2 here even though they had definitely positioned to easily be able to vote Noraa instead implies (3), which reduces the scumteam combinations to only {Kop, redtea} and {Kop, NM}.

This is interesting because it means fmpov we hit scum with very high probability by limming Noraa into Kop or Kop into Noraa.

pedit: sorry not been in the mood for joking really ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Deimos27]

I booked to eat dinner in (my college's) hall today but had a D&D session run on directly prior so I missed it and now I am hungry

[Deimos27]

What food should I acquire and how

[Deimos27]

Also I have a logic problem set due literally 4pm tomorrow and I'm not very far through and it means I'd feel guilty leaving my room instead of working even though I'm clearly procrastinating by playing mafia anyway

[redtea]

If you haven't eat yet go do it, it will pay off in helping you get that problem set done more accurately/quickly/with less stress/at all

[redtea]

Sorry for the ambiguity that was the explanation of why the Dorsey wagon was still good and applied to them, not to you. Also "anti-town" is a bit of an exaggeration but imo they definitely had the lowest town wincon +equity.

that does make the sentence... make more sense. I don't know why I parsed it the way I did.

[Noraa]

All your points are null but I dont see any reason to continue this discussion unless there anyone else agrees with me on deimos scum. Whether or not I'm right, if it's not happening today, it's not happening and there's no point in this because all it does is either get town Deimos tunneled on me or give scum Deimos a good reason to tunnel me. I have no interest in a townread from deimos I just find most of his posts annoying and it makes me want to vote him out really badly. None of the logic honestly makes any sense to me but you know what, it's whatever.

VOTE: redtea

What do people think about this

[Tamora's Angel]

Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.

I agree Noraa can't live until elo.

Won't we be in elo tomorrow if we miselim? Are you that confident NM is scum to vote him here?

The problem is I don't feel either can live until elo. NM I feel even worse about.

[redtea]

enough
VOTE: Nora's
if you flip town I won't be happy

[redtea]

ta did you actually read these last few pages
are you and Noraa partners

[Noraa]

Nora's post sounds baseless and omgus

enough
VOTE: Nora's
if you flip town I won't be happy

[Noraa]

Ok actually redtea's ISO is much worse than I originally thought now having read thru some of it after looking for that quote.

[Noraa]

Basically all of redteas iso is just agreeing with someone or shading people.

spicy idea

Nope. That's not the problem.

I don't reference ongoing or use things I can't point to. How do you think you've changed?

tfw you hit submit a second too late

fair enough

(this isn't copy-pasted from my other post like this, this is paraphrased using my memory):

Spoiler:

I've been trying to find a balance between more casual play and tryharding, because doing the latter all the time gets stressful eventually bc of the expectations I put on myself; knowing the effect lurking can have on your slot is additional pressure. In an effort to keep having fun, I've been experimenting with my playstyle, to mixed results. I'm still figuring it out the ideal effort/fun/results ratio.

I haven't read up and dont really plan to but idk what ur on. NM has some pretty sexy reads despite the fact that he doesn't post much. So get ur facts straight.

true facts

, he hasn't led me astray yet I think.
Then again I don't know if I've played against scum!NM recently if at all. For all I know scum!NM can't even be found without finding his buddies first. That's the impression I've been getting from others.

I want to vote the monkey. There's evidence to suggest he's evil, and his personality is not preferable.

VOTE: Almost50

Lol jk VOTE: Kop Let's figure out who's bad

I have time, let's talk. What should we discuss?

what made kop seem like a better start over a50?

personally, i keep trying to see if nm can be sorted early but i haven't been able to get that to happen yet.

Even for page 6 I think you are concerningly IIoA. There's an obsessiveness with self-meta and a complete absence of any semblance of an attempt to sort another player

Maybe because that's exactly what I was doing? Specifically shooting down weird analysis with easily accessible information?

okay, never mind. You're right.

It's only worth anything if meta is something someone wants to or has the time to do. And if they don't then yeah, what I'm saying is useless. If I had accompanying commentary that didn't require that extra reading it would be one thing, but I didn't.

I got annoyed people don't automatically want to play the way I'm playing and it was dumb. If you pings were felt from whatever was in my first few posts you got pings. And if you get pings from THIS post, that's how it is.

I apologize.

looking at Dorsey's iso, I was hella ignored so
VOTE: Dorsey

eek

is nm pocketing me?

Nah, I'm good

mod should let me vote twice just for this

shade

Norwee how much have you played with Noraa

A couple of games.

Upon re-reading D1 I shouldn't have bothered asking because you are likely town

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

[quote="In"post 287, Noraa"]

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.

what Deimos said about this

but also like, he clearly made that first comment BEFORE isoing aka "looking back at" almost50, sooo what's your deal exactly?[/quote]

SHADE

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPA

Shade~

Nora's post sounds baseless and omgus

Shade ^^

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

functionally

So you saying you think my play is townie but that is something you think is scummy for me?

Sorta
I thiiiink if you sound towny but relatively sober (not in an alcohol consumption sense), that points towards scum!you

Shade~~

fair enough ig

VOTE: Not_Mafia so he can show up and do something so I can unvote him again

[Noraa]

I actually think the reason I think Deimos is scum applies much better to redtea here. Like all those votes look opportunistic as fuck and they're unwilling to give a single straight up read?? That iso is PACKED with shade.

Like the thing is. Redtea is clearly reading. But they aren't actually contributing anything to the game. All of the posts are agreeing with shit that doesn't matter or shading people/refusing to actually give reads. The level of engagement with the thread and the 1 dimensional reads do not match up ESPECIALLY given that join date. Like there really is no excuse here. You wanna mark Deimos off as stubborn town, sure I can believe it. This is really different. This has nothing to do with stubbornness. This is clear engagement with the thread and no legitimate thought process besides pocketing and poking around looking for soft spots

[Noraa]

Also I'm actually trying really fucking hard to obvtown and put my thought process out there so I'd appreciate it if I actually got some replies so I don't feel like I'm going insane and actually have someone to bounce shit off of?

[Noraa]

Ok here lets rise the stakes because I think I'm definitely right. If redtea is town, elim me tomorrow.
I dont think I'm wrong because this behavior just doesn't come from town.

Actually thats sort of game throwing idk if I can say that but that's how certain I am. Redtea's play checks off all the boxes in the scum checklist here. agreeable, floaty, shady, uncertain, every. single. box.