Apparently, you didn't read D1. There was ample reason to put xtoxm at L-1.I don't really understand why that's a scummy move, especially since Zac put xtoxom on L-1 with NO REASON!
This was Zac (406), and he was blatantly bandwagoning. I just realized he was replaced, soZac wrote:Unvote: iamusername
Vote: XToxm[/i]
I think you are mistaking the scenario. I'm pretty sure even scum expected xtoxm to flip scum there.Especially since xtoxm turned town.
So in your words ABR is not pro-town and could be masking his role as a mafia since he has to lie?armlx wrote:Pro-town players aren't supposed to lie. Obscuring of information only helps the most informed group (the mafia), and masks the people who have to lie anyways (also the mafia).
Again, I've explained how ABR is a case of extenuating circumstances. Like how pro-town players are supposed to use logic and be active, but you don't lynch DGB/Kscope/K7/MafiaSSK D1 every game.So in your words ABR is not pro-town and could be masking his role as a mafia since he has to lie?
Yeah... I went back and reread that post (241/243, page 10). It was based off his fake-claim:armlx wrote: CarnCarn, what flavor are you talking about? The whole cells thing or w/e that was based off ABR's false claim?
I don't think he provided any flavor for his real claim today, although I guess he is still claiming Cid.Albert B Rampage wrote:In the aftermath of the airship battle where the Sierra is severely damaged, cid uses his knowledge of high-tier technology to build a special scope that can detect creatures with abnormal levels of mako energy (jenova cells?) in their bloodstream. He can only use this once a day.*
So that is 531. What did he mean by the last line of 516 ("Counter claimed? I haven't even claimed yet."), when he had clearly claimed Cid, in the same post no less?armlx wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:No, I am the real Cid. I do want to win, you know.
If I had to fake-claim as scum and out a power role I'd claim Cloud daycop of Vincent vig.
No Yosarian, I would have admitted I lied on day 2, claiming the ABR Gambit.
Avoiding this kind of convoluted, dead end "he lied about his role to save his own ass but I think he's town anyway" logic is exactally why LAL (or at least LAAL, "lynch almost all liars") is generally good for the town.CarnCarn wrote:I'm surprised so many people think xtoxm was the correct lynch, even in retrospect (in a quick review back, I see that armlx, Cephrir, and Natirasha all agreed on that).
He was obviously lying about the daycop claim. Why would anyone with that powerful ability investigate in the random stage and make themselves an obvious target on D1?
His lying didn't mean he was scum, though. When asked for role and flavor info, he gave it accurately. I don't think he would have been able to do so if he was scum and just given Bugenhagen as a safeclaim (the flavor, I mean). This is why I wouldn't have voted him because his flavor info suggested he wasn't lying about his alignment, even if he was lying about his role (which is not automatically anti-town; in fact, I can see situations when it would be very much protown to lie about one's role).
So.. everyone who lies is innocent now?Albert B. Rampage wrote: Yes, but not twice in a row, when a liar lies to lynch another liar. What if another person lied? Then we would lose.
CarnCarn stop role-fishing.
Right now, I think the evidence points towards ABR, but TM needs to answer the questions about his xtoxm/paranoid cop thing. I don't think CML has said anything that is really a scum-tell. This doesn't mean CML isn't scum; I'm neutral towards CML. Plus, anyone who didn't vote xtoxm D1 (e.g., CML, wolframnhart) gets a little bit of leeway in my book.wolframnhart wrote: With 6 days to the deadline do the non voters (4 of you i believe there are and i am too lazy to look at who it is) feel they have any read on someone to place their vote at? I would hate to see the 6 days drag out with little to no discussion.