Mini 671 - Dwarf Fortress - Game Over!

[andersonw]

Sigh. It's LYLO. We do a massclaim.

Is this like some standard procedure in games? Always massclaim in LyLo? Could you give me some reasoning why it's a good idea? (be more specific than "we might catch scum")
If you give good reasoning, I'll be happy to go with a massclaim.

[reborn537]

Oh man. Don't you think it's extremely obvious why we do it now. It's LYLO. We lynch scum or lose. This means we pull out all the stops and try EVERYTHING otherwise we just leave whether we lose to random chance.

Mass claim means we learn all information from town night actions. It also means the scum will have to use fake claims. When I was scum in a recent game modded by Claus we had 3 safe claims - one safe safe claim, one medium safe claim, one risky safe claim. We've got a good chance of catching someone out this way.

[Tuberkulos]

I'm town and I'm not

apart

of the danger

I read through the thread a little and found this. So you are indeed

a part

of the danger?

Anyway, I don't know what to think of this mass claim. Reborn got a point though, it's indeed time to try everything, but I don't know if a mass claim is the way to go yet. We have to think about what could be the negative/positive consequences, and which one are we most likely to get at this point.

[Pesco47]

If there was a reql danger of LyLo, massclaim will just end up as mass misdirection. Mass scumhunting is still the best route to take, unless you're someone who hasn't done it at all this game and can't find the scum label on your own forehead.

What policy makes it so definite that we need to drop everything and start giving scum more info? I'd like Reborn to answer that without citing meta along with providing us links to proof of himself doing any scumhunting. Btw, real life is no excuse for being scum.

Wether or not LyLo Notification is given in mini themed games, that varies in every game. If we're unsure then we

ask the mod if it's LyLo right now

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If there is a majority on going for a massclaim, I can claim. I just don't see why we should have to claim when we can lynch obvscum.

[reborn537]

Pesco, you're a real fool.

12 people - 4 town = 8 people. Assuming 3 scum that means if we lynch wrong and there is a nk we lose. OK? Right. Thought so. Wear the hat of shame please.

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[Tuberkulos]

How exactly do we lose anything from it?

Well, if there are more town power-roles I think it's a bad idea to give those away right now. Or do you suggest that we just tell our names and professions, but not possible powers?

I just saw that Claus confirmed the colors. Blue = town power role, green = vanilla townie, which means that the hammerer is indeed anti-town.

[Pesco47]

Reborn: LyLo or not, we need to lynch scum instead of demanding for claims. You do no scunhunting and have made no contributions to clear yourself up or answer my question at you. This far in the game, you are clearly scum. You can't even present a credible case against me that you have to resort to insults. It's tough to find people to pin scummyness on when you are scum, so learn from this game and play better scum next time.

[Tuberkulos]

we need to lynch scum instead of demanding for claims

I agree. But a mass-claim doesn't prevent us from lynching scum. It could however help scum hitting a power role. But at this point, I don't think that we should rely on a power role, but rather on our votes.

[Tuberkulos]

The more I think about this mass claim-idea, the less I'm against it. But before we "popcorn" it (if we do), I wish that some of the absent people started posting...

[reborn537]

We need night information!! It's LYLO!!! If we don't lynch scum now then we lose. When exactly would you suggest is the right time for a claim?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Only scum benefit from a mass-claim in lylo or mylo situations, since it lets them call people's claims scummy or it lets them counter-claim and push a lynch.
I'm against the massclaim for now.

[Tuberkulos]

I'm good with a mass-claim.
Popcorn it, Tim should pick first.

Only scum benefit from a mass-claim in lylo or mylo situations, since it lets them call people's claims scummy or it lets them counter-claim and push a lynch.
I'm against the massclaim for now.

Care to explain your sudden change of heart?

[sekinj]

I am Lolor Alathum who is a Siege Engineer. That is vanilla townie because I win when the threats to Oslavanthez are gone and I have no powers.

Vote: Pesco

for hopping wagons, desperately trying to avoid a mass claim, and being generally scummy.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Tuber: I had a think about it, and realised that though there may be some benefits for town, they pale into insignificance given the benefit to scum.
I'll claim if asked, but I'm not going to start a mass-claim.

[Pesco47]

Vote: Pesco

for hopping wagons, desperately trying to avoid a mass claim, and being generally scummy.

Put some proof behind your words here. Moving my lone vote on you to Reborn is wagon hopping? Putting scumhunting as a higher priority than massclaim avoiding it? Being generally scummy by what measure?

Reborn still can't put out any proof of serious scumhunting on his part and doesn't answer my question from here.

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There's our massclaim. Who wants to claim Doc? Let's remember to have fun guys

[reborn537]

Sekinj chooses next person to claim.

[sekinj]

I choose pesco to claim next.

[Pesco47]

Reborn: answer my questions first.

Sekinj: prove your case on me.

I'll claim if there are at least 4 people in favour of massclaim.

[reborn537]

In that case we need 2 more people to explcitly state that they wish Pesco to claim.

[Timeater]

I'm for a massclaim

[Pesco47]

Don't wet your pants when I do.

[sekinj]

Don't wet your pants when I do.

... why woudl we wet our pants? because you are scum and we shoudl be scared?

and speaking of clothing: Keep your shirt on regarding my case against you, i'm still working on it, but will post it later tonight.

[andersonw]

I'll go with the massclaim, but I'd like reborn to answer the question first, too.
Btw,

Strong FoS: KoC

for still not responding to my post 423, even though you probably already saw it.
And another

FoS: KoC

for changing his mind about the massclaim so quickly, even with the explanation, it's a pretty scummy action. It seems like once you saw the majority of people wanting a massclaim, you said you didn't want one anymore.

Strong FoS: Pesco

for pretending to be 100% sure that reborn is scum and saying "reborn hasn't been scumhunting" in about 5 posts. Pesco hasn't really done much scumhunting, too, except for attacking reborn and saying "I'm town, you can't even make a good case on me".

Also,

FoS: reborn

, Pesco does have a point, and you're ignoring it.

[sekinj]

FoS: anderson

for fosing everyone.

Not really, I've just never seen that many in one place before...

unfos

[Timeater]

I'm with anderson, I'm pretty sure Pesco and KOC are scum partners.