Mafia 83 - Game Ended Scum Win!

[qwints]

Why would last night suggest a SK?

[hasdgfas]

Vote:Cow

possible SK

What makes you say that, and why would you think it was me?

[Xtoxm]

I

have

been getting a bad feeling from Hasd, but I don't like what Panzer said at all. The mafia are a much bigger threat than an SK, and should be sought before the SK. It is beneficial for the mafia to have the SK lynched. There could still be 3 left, given the game size. Also, Iam's death scene looks like lover suicide and SK kill to me, I think it's worth mentioning.

Vote Panzer

Also, I think I believe Jebus. By looks of it, either she's telling the truth, or mafia NKed to try and strengthen the claim, and I don't think mafia would waste a kill like that, really.

[Jebus]

Vote: Panzer

Why is Cow a "Possible SK"? And where did you come up with the idea of a "possible SK" anyway? I'm pretty sure that after two days of one (stopped) kill and another kill (which happened to result in a lover dieing), there is no Serial Killer.

[Xtoxm]

I think it is quite likely there is a SK present. If you look at the scenes, Yaw was "Stuck to a flagpole". This is SK kill flavour, and it is evidently not the mafia's kill.

Now, last night, BM was "Shot". I think it is a fair assumption that this was the mafia's work. But that's not much important.

Iam was "stabbed", clearly his own doing, by the flavour, AND drowned. It looks very much like Iam was killed both by himself, and this SK. From the flavour alone, I do not believe it can be a vig, not in a Normal game...On top of that, though, both these kills targets were vocal the day before they died.

But like I said, SK is not the primary concern.

[PJ.]

Nothing to do with Flavor. Let's just say I have Role info.

[hasdgfas]

Nothing to do with Flavor. Let's just say I have Role info.

That "role info" is flat out wrong then.

[qwints]

Panzer, was that a cop claim?

[chazworthington]

FoS: chazworthington

Why did you feel it necessary to mention jesters yesterday?

What was your first reaction when Alvinz wasn't defending himself and later claimed to be scum? That sounded pretty good play for a jester to me.

[chazworthington]

Nothing to do with Flavor. Let's just say I have Role info.

Did you have this info for Alvinz yesterday?

FoS: Panzerjager

This would be a vote, but I don't want another quick lynch.

[hasdgfas]

FoS: chazworthington

Why did you feel it necessary to mention jesters yesterday?

What was your first reaction when Alvinz wasn't defending himself and later claimed to be scum? That sounded pretty good play for a jester to me.

I assumed he was an idiot. I was right. I policy lynch anyone who claims scum, unless I know there's a jester in the game.
Jesters are almost never in closed games, so you always assume there aren't any. Discussion of them just distracts the town and is, frankly, stupid.

[PJ.]

no..I had no info on Alvins. And I'm not telling you what claim it is but i'd appreciate if no one else claimed. Hasdgfas is not townie.

[Xtoxm]

I think I know what you're implying there.

Unvote

If Hasd is SK, then although we need to get rid of him, he essentially counts as a mislynch, in terms of finding mafia.

With a dead mafia RB, it's probably a pretty easy claim to test...

[hasdgfas]

Panzer, did you get my name in your result? (I don't need you to claim your role, but this is an important question)

[qwints]

no..I had no info on Alvins. And I'm not telling you what claim it is but i'd appreciate if no one else claimed. Hasdgfas is not townie.

I really don't like this. Why keep quiet if you've already essentially outed yourself as a power role? Maybe I'm just too much of a noob to get the implication.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, I agree, I think a full claim is best.

What it looks like he's implying to me is that he tracked has to Iam, or the other SK kill.

[Jebus]

There is no SK, I'm quite sure.

Night 1 - No kill, I saved Chaz.
Night 2 - A lover is killed, and his/her partner dies (which is part of the role).

No SK here :/

[chazworthington]

There is no SK, I'm quite sure.

Night 1 - No kill, I saved Chaz.
Night 2 - A lover is killed, and his/her partner dies (which is part of the role).

No SK here :/

You're forgetting that Yaw was killed N1

Still, I'm starting to think we should be focused on the mafia at this point.

[Xtoxm]

There is no SK, I'm quite sure.

Night 1 - No kill, I saved Chaz.
Night 2 - A lover is killed, and his/her partner dies (which is part of the role).

No SK here :/

I have already explained.

[chazworthington]

Oh, and who did you protect last night?

[qwints]

That's a strange mistake to make Jebus ...

That said, a sk hitting a suicidal lover seems unlikely (although the text on the first page does seem to suggest a double kill similar to alvinz's lynch + modkill.) I'm willing to proceed under the theory that we have a serial killer for the moment.

If panzer is to be trusted, I don't understand why we shouldn't lynch a known sk. Isn't a known sk a plus for scum?

1) The town has to have the sk dead to win.
2) The scum can simply endgame the sk
3) The sk is significantly more likely to hit town than scum
4) Every two extra townies killed costs the town a chance to lynch.
5) We're more likely to hit scum the day after we lynch the sk (assuming a nk)

So, if we trust panzer, we must lynch hascow today. I am unwilling to trust panzer, however, before he makes a full claim and allows an opportunity to counterclaim.

[Mana_Ku]

There's also the possibility that the doc protected the SK's target.
Jebus, who did you protect?

I'm not sure what to think of Panzer's claim. Is there a role who can find out which player the SK is? Vote: Panzer needs to tell his role.

If he's telling the truth, then we should lynch cow ASAP. I think it's important that we lynch mafia, however I have never played a game with a SK. If qwints is correct with her six points then we should lynch the SK as soon as we know who it is.

[MafiaSSK]

-sigh- One day without a post. Deadline moved to the 24th.

[qwints]

qwints = he

[Xtoxm]

I think we need some prods...