Your schoolwork hasn't stopped you from posting at all. I'd rather you post less frequently if it means you start investigating people.afatchic wrote:like i already said i haven't been doing much now due to school. if you wanna think thats a lie you are welcome to look in all my other games and see that i am falling behind int hem as well.
It is not apparent to me how a vote is effective pressure if you state upfront that the vote is not intended to lynch.KR, post 67 wrote:I explained that I was ready to unvote if a bandwagon should form, indicating that I was pressure voting, not lynch voting.
afatchic, post 82 wrote:im still unsure about him but in the opposite way, his remarks just sound like an agrevated newb scum to me.
afatchic, how do you reconcile these two statements?afatchic, post 86 wrote:charter i agree, i don't like it when people use the excuse that im new and im just now learning. while it may be true, its a terrible excuse because it can't be proven or countered. my suspicion is def. on moospiker, and if his play doesn't start acting more like a townie to me then i may very well put him at L-1.
So, you're saying that the newbie card is a valid defence in newbie games? I bet if we asked every IC on this site, 100% would disagree with you.afatchic, post 92 wrote:the difference is that i was at a newbie game, where i should be if i am going to play the newb card, you are at a mini game and being a "mafia scum" i have a hard time believing the newbie card.
Oh, that's really annoying...mod wrote:Vi replaces KrisReizer
I thought exactly the same thing. His words very closely echoed JD's which I found odd.Moo, post 166 wrote:Erm... is this me, or does afatchic say the same thing, just in different wording., as if he's trying to come across townish by adding fake stuff to the discussion.But he tries to make it sound as if it's not an agreement
You were answering a question, using someone else's words as your own.afatchic wrote:i was answering a question, while giving my own opinions. if everyone seems to think this, maybe its the truth. have you ever thought about that?
My gut reaction was that Moo plays mafia elsewhere and he was following whatever the meta there is. A second plausible reason would be that he wanted to catch the scum out in a fake-claim.charter wrote:I also figured out a pretty damn good reason to not believe Moo's claim, Anyone think it's odd that he asks for a claim when he himself claims to be a powerrole? What was he hoping to hear? Oh, I'm the doc? Not protown in the least to out the doc. Possible there's a slim chance it's a second cop, but like I said, very slim.
Yes, Avinyl has been replaced. Are you still suspicious? How is Avinyl's absence a scumtell now that I have replaced him?MM wrote:On the other hand, my top suspicion is still Avinyl. Mod: is Avinyl getting replaced?
I hope you have a good explanation for this.charter wrote:Waiting for avinyl to get lynched.
In my first newbie game, there was a lynch on page 3. I was incidently away then, and had nothing to do with it. The reasoning behind it was 'you confirmed late'. It just never occured to me that when someone is at L-1 they should not claim, however early into the game it is.eldarad wrote:Moo's claim or die post in #61 is surprising. I wonder whether he plays mafia elsewhere?
You're not "everyone else"charter 205 wrote:[Where is everyone else?]Waiting for avinyl to get lynched.
(I know the feeling.)eldarad 207 wrote:Not impressed with KR's early postings. Some comments made me shake my head sadly.
I really, really don't like this. M-M never said that Avinyl's absence was a scumtell.eldarad 207 wrote:How is Avinyl's absence a scumtell now that I have replaced him?
I certainly will, although that will involve another discussion on game theory. Perhaps you would like to address the points I made relating to this specific game?afatchic wrote:Elerad can you please tell me your thoughts to the answer to that question, cuz i really don't see another answer legit answer to that question.
I would like MM to answer please. I note your desire to answer on his behalf.Vi wrote:I really, really don't like this. M-M never said that Avinyl's absence was a scumtell.
Meanwhile, why not turn the general question around - What is your opinion on me, since I replaced KrisReizer?
I've illustrated my reasons for suspicions of avinyl in my first post after replacing, which have been reiterated by others as well. I never considered the absense a scumtell, but rather something that is not helping him bring down my level of suspicion of him. That was why I reiterated that Avinyl was my top suspect.eldarad wrote:Yes, Avinyl has been replaced. Are you still suspicious? How is Avinyl's absence a scumtell now that I have replaced him?
How did I misrepresent you? I asked MM a question and you answered it for him. Or do you deny this? And, in addition, you attempted to immediately change the subject before the original question had even been answered by MM.Vi wrote:I note your desire to misrepresent people's positions and ignore my question
My understanding - and it isn't just MM who articulated this - is that Avinyl's failure to respond to questions (although I don't actually see many questions unanswered - at least partly because he hasn't been posting recently so there is nothing for people to ask about) is making him look scummy.MM wrote:I've illustrated my reasons for suspicions of avinyl in my first post after replacing, which have been reiterated by others as well. I never considered the absense a scumtell, but rather something that is not helping him bring down my level of suspicion of him. That was why I reiterated that Avinyl was my top suspect.
afatchic, I would like an answer please.eldarad wrote:afatchic, post 82 wrote:im still unsure about him but in the opposite way, his remarks just sound like an agrevated newb scum to me.afatchic, how do you reconcile these two statements?afatchic, post 86 wrote:charter i agree, i don't like it when people use the excuse that im new and im just now learning. while it may be true, its a terrible excuse because it can't be proven or countered. my suspicion is def. on moospiker, and if his play doesn't start acting more like a townie to me then i may very well put him at L-1.
Does this still hold true for you now?Vi wrote:Thus, I don't know what to do with Avinyl - he could show up and explain himself, and that would take care of a lot of the suspicion in my eyes.
Not interested in lynching a claimed cop day one. This is the fourth time I've said that I believe.eld wrote:charter, if you don't buy the cop claim, why unvote?
You think scum would counterclaim someone they know isn't scum and is claiming cop?eldarad wrote:My gut reaction was that Moo plays mafia elsewhere and he was following whatever the meta there is. A second plausible reason would be that he wanted to catch the scum out in a fake-claim.charter wrote:I also figured out a pretty damn good reason to not believe Moo's claim, Anyone think it's odd that he asks for a claim when he himself claims to be a powerrole? What was he hoping to hear? Oh, I'm the doc? Not protown in the least to out the doc. Possible there's a slim chance it's a second cop, but like I said, very slim.
I would like Moo to comment further on this.
Post 162. Your opening post didn't help your case either.eldarad wrote:I hope you have a good explanation for this.charter wrote:Waiting for avinyl to get lynched.
Still haven't read it yet, will shortly though.Vi wrote:Even so, you have no comment on my line of thought vs. afatchic?
I did not answer the question. You asked how Avinyl's absence was a scumtell. I noted that M-M never said that in the first place; and if I have to explain technically where the logical flaw is, that means you strawmanned M-M quite blatantly. Way to go!eldarad 217 wrote:How did I misrepresent you? I asked MM a question and you answered it for him. Or do you deny this? And, in addition, you attempted to immediately change the subject before the original question had even been answered by MM.
Can you explain why you did that?
Avinyl's failure to respond to questions was not the ONLY thing making him look scummy. If you think that was the only reason Avinyl is under suspicion, you are mistaken.eldarad 217 wrote:My understanding - and it isn't just MM who articulated this - is that Avinyl's failure to respond to questions (although I don't actually see many questions unanswered - at least partly because he hasn't been posting recently so there is nothing for people to ask about) is making him look scummy.
Perhaps charter or Vi would like to comment more on that point.
I didn't see anything obviously scummy in his posts. When I started seeing afatchic in action, I noticed why - there was nothing to see.eldarad 217 wrote:I'm surprised you had a positive read on afatchic initially. What made you mildly positive about him?
Right now, the point is moot. You're not leaving many positive impressions in my book as his replacement, to be sure.eldarad 217 wrote:Does this still hold true for you now?
I'm leaning this way as well, but--charter 218 wrote:Still think avinyl/eldarad is scum.
--this is a good point when met with--eldarad 217 wrote:I'm not entirely convinced that there is as strong a afatchic-charter link as you suggest, but it is interesting that charter has tried pretty hard to lynch Avynil and has done very little in the way of scrutinising afatchic.
charter 218 wrote:Still haven't read it[the talk against afatchic]yet, will shortly though.
I illustrated things that make Avynil look scummy below:elderad wrote:My understanding - and it isn't just MM who articulated this - is that Avinyl's failure to respond to questions (although I don't actually see many questions unanswered - at least partly because he hasn't been posting recently so there is nothing for people to ask about) is making him look scummy.
Perhaps charter or Vi would like to comment more on that point.
Currently like elderad and JDodge as the scumpair.MM wrote:Avynil – Lurker-hunting in Post 69 when he isn’t that active himself. Quickly spread suspicion on 3 players (KR/Vi, afatchic, JD) seemingly trying to find what sticks. Did some flip flopping(Posts 81,100,120) on KR/Vi. Most scumtells out of everyone so far.
Combination of things I have said before:charter wrote:Why JDodge?
MM wrote:only worrisome thing is generally brash statements at ends of a couple long posts.
and the fact that I have more positive read on you.MM wrote:JDodge is being bumped up on my list because he recently made another rather rash statement about afatchic (Post 155), and then misrepresented afatchic (Post 160) while totally avoiding afatchic's question of "how i am obv. scum?" (Post 157).
