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[KingEnigma]

I am completely useless. All I do is take up space as you put it. I am void of thought and original thinking. I am in awe of the fact that I was able to type this whole post without turning into a bubbling mass of idiot juice.

First part of this day, I was doing what I could to stay above water. I haven't had time to play catch up, and then you start taking pot shots at me, so nice.

Let me put it another way...."a duh...duhh a pffffftt duh doh doih, duuuhhh" ::drools::

[KingEnigma]

Okay, well this is going to sound a little funny considering he just insulted me and stuff. I did warn you all way back in 89 that Farkshinsoup showed up as scum to me and here is why I think this....

You are the one who not only says that I am not random voting, but when I mention that it is something I am not doing, you point out that I did do it...3 years ago but not recently, so nevermind...but the seeds are planted.

and they go on and on and on...you also mention that my playstyle is a nulltell, which it cant be if your going by my meta right? because I in fact did random vote, but you are now apparently trying to get away from what you yourself started.

Then you start Tarhalindur vs Timeater..which was just a discussion at that point and tried to turn it into something more? SCUM I SAY! You wave this off, but i think it was a slip, a magnificent slip. Timeater calls you out on this, so you vote for him, try and turn the attention there, before people start wanting answers from you?

Then in post 123, you mention its you vs Timeater, again that vs word, and you say that you are an instigator and yes that is very scummy. Who would not want townies fighting with each other, because everyone knows that people are usually ruled by emotions, yes even on the internets. You get people all riled up over stuff, sit back and watch the show? That is scummy.


A lot of this I noticed had been said by other players, but people get distracted and caught up on other issues and I guess forgot about it? So here you go..

vote: Farkshinsoup

Sometimes my train of thought is hard to follow (believe me, I live with it) but its there, if you can find it through my "confusing" post. I should hire an interpreter.

[MacavityLock]

Then in post 123, you mention its you vs Timeater, again that vs word, and you say that you are an instigator and yes that is very scummy. Who would not want townies fighting with each other, because everyone knows that people are usually ruled by emotions, yes even on the internets. You get people all riled up over stuff, sit back and watch the show? That is scummy.

I'm quite pleased that KE starting to scum-hunt. This is good news. However! Look at that argument he just made. Can you find the internal contradiction? Fark is an instigator and is thus scummy. Fark feels like it's him vs Tim. Fark wants townies to fight.

So, are you saying that Fark is a scummy townie and he wants people to fight with him? Are you saying that Fark is scum and want people to fight with him, and probably then notice him and maybe pick sides? By inserting himself into the debate (which Fark clearly did), what opportunity does he have to "sit back and watch the show"?

[KingEnigma]

He was caught in it, *IF* I was doing it, the best way to throw off suspicion is to of course join in the fray. Timeater called him out, and he had no choice but to dive in.

[Timeater]

What does V/LA mean? Vacationing in Los Angeles? lol

I think posts 150# and 151# are flashes of brilliance. I like KE and his style. I like the way he thinks, its very genuine. Those two posts settled my fears greatly and managed to alleviate some of my concerns about him. I understand him, the player, now.

Unvote

Honestly Fark, I think you just nailed your own coffin shut with this comment:

Timeater, that last post feels to me like, "Well, I can't get a wagon going on Fark, so I'll jump on the one against KE."

Its like you are trying to pull off a jedi mind trick here by implying any wagon against you will fail. JMT's are great scumtells and now that I'm not so worried about KE, you're my #1 target.

Vote: Farkshinsoup

On another note, where is Delibird?

[Elmo]

18. Prods must be responded to

in thread

.
19. If you don't reply to your prod within 48 hours you will be replaced.

His last post is Oct 5th; he was prodded Oct 9th. Given he hasn't responded to it, I would surmise he's being replaced.
Timeater, I didn't mean nervous for you, I meant relative to average; I take your point, though, I don't feel it means anything.
Macavity: Do you generally find that kind of contradiction a reliable scumtell?

[MacavityLock]

Macavity: Do you generally find that kind of contradiction a reliable scumtell?

I think it's a bad logical argument, and I think that often scum will use any logic they can to make attacks on people.

However, I'm a relative newbie (1 completed game), so I'm still in the process of forming opinions as to what I would classify as "reliable scumtells".

[andersonw]

Another question: Do you think OMGUS=scummy?

Sometimes, but certainly not always. "OMGUS=scummy" seems like a cheap trick that scum can use to throw undeserved suspicion on someone. Case by case basis I'd say.

Saying someone OMGUS'd you when they didn't actually OMGUS you is scummy. It's using a codeword to link someone to scumminess when they don't particularly deserve it. (May or may not apply in this case, as my re-read left me a bit undecided. I may have over-reacted when I saw that Tim hadn't actually had a vote anywhere when he pulled the OMGUS card.)

In this post, it's very strongly implied that you think OMGUS automatically is scummy, since you said that OMGUS was a "codeword to link someone to scumminess". Explain?

[MacavityLock]

Another question: Do you think OMGUS=scummy?

Sometimes, but certainly not always. "OMGUS=scummy" seems like a cheap trick that scum can use to throw undeserved suspicion on someone. Case by case basis I'd say.

Saying someone OMGUS'd you when they didn't actually OMGUS you is scummy. It's using a codeword to link someone to scumminess when they don't particularly deserve it. (May or may not apply in this case, as my re-read left me a bit undecided. I may have over-reacted when I saw that Tim hadn't actually had a vote anywhere when he pulled the OMGUS card.)

In this post, it's very strongly implied that you think OMGUS automatically is scummy, since you said that OMGUS was a "codeword to link someone to scumminess". Explain?

Sorry, let me try to be more clear. Judging by what I've read in MS games thus far, I think the best scum tells are craplogic, specifically making attacks on someone for no good reason. Thus OMGUS can be scummy ("I see you have attacked me using reasonable points, and now I must do something to distract other players from said points.") or it can be non-scummy ("I see you have attacked me using illogical points, and I must highlight said points for other players.")

What I meant by "codeword" is that, again from what I can tell, many or at least some players think that OMGUS=scummy, or at the very least OMGUS=scummier. Thus by calling someone's vote OMGUS when it isn't is an example of said craplogic. Please note in my second quote "

when they didn't actually OMGUS you

". That is a qualified statement and clearly doesn't apply all the time.

[Timeater]

bump -_-

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.::] Vote Count [::.

iamausername (2)

- andersonw, Awesome Pants

KingEnigma (1)

- MacavityLock

Timeater (2)

- Farkshinsoup, Tarhalindur
*

Farkshinsoup (4)

- ChannelDelibird, Rishi, KingEnigma, Timeater

ChannelDelibird (1)

- Elmo

Grimmy (1)

- iamausername

Not voting (1) - Grimmy

Seven

votes to lynch.

Sorry for being absent. I was busier than I expected to be the last few days.

ChannelDelibird has about 12 hours to respond to his prod after which he'll be replaced.

[Timeater]

Come on people this is an interesting game, talk!

[andersonw]

What I meant by "codeword" is that, again from what I can tell, many or at least some players think that OMGUS=scummy, or at the very least OMGUS=scummier. Thus by calling someone's vote OMGUS when it isn't is an example of said craplogic. Please note in my second quote "when they didn't actually OMGUS you". That is a qualified statement and clearly doesn't apply all the time.

Thanks for the explanation.

Come on people this is an interesting game, talk!

Given what you currently know, do you think andersonw is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

Given what you currently know, do you think Timeater is not scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

[Tarhalindur]

PBPA time!

Why are you demanding I answer your questions in such an oppressive manner? Thats odd. Why not just say, hey, Timeater, yo, whats up - what do you think about X and X?

1) I try to be honest and up-front about what I am doing - in this case, forcing you to take a stand on other players.

2) I've found that being very aggressive is a VERY good way to get out of the random voting stage. I hate the random voting stage.

And why are you

just

now addressing my post, two days after the fact?

Simple - I noticed it while looking back over the thread for scummy actions.

What makes you think you can just demand answers out of everyone in this fashion under the guise of good scumhunting? Thats a little ballsy. I dont like it.

Because it IS how I scumhunt - it forces out reactions and pressures scum into using bad logic. I don't care whether you find it ballsy. I don't care if you like it. I find that it works.

Now, why were you so panicked about being asked to answer questions? I find that quite scummy, actually.

I haven't come to a proper conclusion about who I think might be scum. There just isnt a whole lot to go on so far.

I agree that, at the time that I asked you questions, there was not too much to use to find scum - that's why I asked the questions I did. How would you have changed this fact had I not started asking questions?

No one has made an obvious scum blunder and pretty much everyone has been reasonable and rational.

How would you have tried to force out scum blunders had I not started exerting pressure?

I dont like your playstyle so far (you, Tarhalindur) its been very meta-ish and erratic. First, with the multiple unvotes and votes, and then with this, a formatted questionaire you think people have to answer in tandem or else you can accuse them of being scum for not being helpful. That kind of aggressive playstyle has stood out more than King Enigma's or anyone else, imo.

First, it should be blatantly obvious that there is a reason for my votes and unvotes, especially considering that I referred to it as testing. I will not elaborate at this time.

Second, you have a problem with players being aggressive when scumhunting why, exactly?

I'm really not being evasive, or trying to, I'm just sort of taken aback at this pre-formatted questionaire style of doing things. And since when is there a Timeater vs Tarhlindur debate, Farkshinsoup? Seems like you're trying to make a distraction and a "matchup" when there really isnt one. Are you trying to brew up trouble?

Why are you, in your own words, "taken aback" by my playstyle? Do you find it scummy? If so, why? More importantly, if not, then why are you bringing it up?

Given what you currently know, do you think Elmo is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

No. He's been asking all the right questions and doing all the right things for a strong alpha townie to do. I would even go so far as to say I'm an Elmo fanboy.

That's funny, I haven't actually seen Elmo take a position in this game. He's also been unusually lurky. The former is scummy in general, in my experience, while the latter is scummy for meta reasons.

On the other hand, you do redeem yourself slightly by giving a firm position in response to my question(s).

Given what you currently know, do you think iamausername is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

Not sure. I didnt like how he pounced on me for not posting anything when I genuinely had no opinions on the game so far. But post #64 is pretty good. I would lean towards saying he's town because of that one.

So, you didn't like him for... acting in a manner that I've found to be pro-town? Good to know.

Given what you currently know, do you think that I, Tarhalindur, am scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

I am seriously considering voting for you, yes. I would like to hear what you have to say though. I dont like the erratic behaviour and I dont like how you've been "gaming the game" so to speak. The unvotes and votes in particular, what was up with that? And now you've started up with these irritating formatted questionaires, a situation which any scummer could use heavily to his advantage. For instance, by giving yes or no answers on certain people, you can use that information later in the game to build phoney cases, and exploit players more easily by building divides between players (e.g saying you are sure "yes" x and x is scum d1) on the flipside - it can build possible bonds between scummers and townies via a simple yes. I just dont like that.

1) Fishing is bad, mmkay?

2) Your "seriously considering voting for you" sounds like you're trying to leave yourself a way to wiggle yourself out of the logical conclusion (yes) if you came under fire for it.

3) I find that my playstyle forces scum into showing their hand through their interactions with and positions on other players, so long as you have a good eye for scum interactions. (It's not as accurate as I'd like until we've managed to catch a scum, though.)

Given what you currently know, do you think King Enigma is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

I dont think he is, no. He's being confusing, but at least he is sticking to his guns about his philosophy. I liked what Delibird said about it "KingEnigma is confusing me, but I'm not sure why Tar expects the random stage to be more or less wishy-washy than any other stage of the game."

Woo.

Your conclusion here is decent. As for your Delibird comment, there's a simple answer: I don't expect ANY stage of the game to be wishy-washy, and I find wishy-washiness scummy during ALL stages of the game.

I'm not Tar But I think there is a good chance Fark is scum. Few things really stand out:

Then why didn't you vote him in this post? I know from your later posts that you wanted to wait for a few other players to post, but are there any other reasons why you wouldn't vote for him (since he did seem to be the player you thought was most likely to be scum) while you were waiting for other players to post? (Note that I have difficulty accepting "I'm waiting for other players to post" as a valid defense for not voting - it's too easy for scum to use that loophole to just avoid taking any positions at all.)

Vote: Channeldelibird

unvote

vote: iamusername

I won't answer at this time. Try again later, maybe.

Unhelpful much?

Unvote: Vote Elmo

It seems like you are voting King solely because you have a gripe with his play style. Not good.

Thats not at all why Elmo was voting for king. At least thats not the impression I got. I think he saw Elmo as a threat with his extremely proactive posting and came up with a BS reason for a vote (a reason which really isnt even technically correct) That doesn't sit right with me. Then he later goes on to conform when called on it.

Why is it that when Elmo asks questions, he's being proactive, but when I ask questions I'm divisive and scum?

(directed at me)I'd like to hear your answers. You seem evasive.

I like how he doesn't bother answering the said questionaire himself but wants to hear my answers and goes on to state I'm being evasive. That just irks my scumdar. Its like one of those oh-so-subtle pot-shots scum take at townies for anything, ANYTHING, that could be construed as scummy. Those little, sometimes innocent seeming "pot-shots" are a great scumtell imo (and I've had alot of success with recognizing them).

Okay, good reasoning here.

lol, an OMGUS vote, surprise surprise (didnt see that one coming!)

@MacavityLock - I've seen every episode of the new series up to "Revelations" (I think). Not so familiar with the old one. Why do you ask? Me in particular?

Anyway I guess I better get down to the dirty business of attacking Farkshinsoup and defending myself!

Yes, it was unhelpful. I've already explained why I did that. Why have you leap-frogged over my explanation from post 78 and reached back to point out that the original post was unhelpful? Do you believe my explanation? This feels like fake scum-hunting to me.

It was unhelpful at the time, that doesn't negate the fact that you said it. Just because you were accosted of this mistake and then worked to correct yourself does not mean the initial action was not scummy.

Okay, here's where you start sliding firmly into scum territory.

Farkshinsoup offered a qualification/explanation for his answer that does a good job of showing why his earlier actions were pro-town. Not only do you fail to show how his explanation is invalid, you instead simply attack him again for the original attack when he had already shown how that attack was invalid. That's not scumhunting, that is throwing dirt... and that's scummy as all hell.

I stated that this was my interpretation of Elmo's vote (Note the word "seems"). But you first categorically state that I was wrong about why Elmo was voting King, and then in the next sentence you say that this is your "impression". Which is it, verifiable fact, or your opinion?

And yes, I changed my mind, and my vote, after Elmo responded. Seems like you are trying to twist that to fit your notion that I am scum. Could it be that you, the admitted Elmo fanboy, are convinced I'm scum because I dared to challenge Elmo in the first place? Or is there another reason?

First paragraph is basically an attempt to exploit semantics in an arguement to gain a emotional advantage - that sort of behavior pings my scumdar. When I say "my impression of it" I mean, thats how I interpreted his posts on Enigma. To me, it seems like he was bending words in his Enigma vote and then later backtracked (again?) when Elmo clarified.

... And I'm of the opinion that you are misrepresenting Farkshinsoup here in order to try to paint his scumhunting (as far as I can tell, he was asking you for clarification in order to give you a chance to resolve a contradiction in your post) as scum behavior. What say you?

Also - when Farkshinsoup explains his actions, it's backtracking, but when Elmo explains his actions, it's clarification?

Also implying that Elmo and I are somehow connected is ludicrous. I have acknoledged him as a good town player and should be treated as such. Would I really be STUPID enough, if I were scum, to try to create a WIFOM-esq bond like that d1? The answer is no.

Hey look, WIFOM!

This is ridiculous. Tarhalindur explicitly directed his questions to YOU in post 82. (and to KE in post 81). Why would I answer the questions? Please feel free to point out where I have evaded questions DIRECTED TO ME in this game. This is the scummiest thing I've seen in this game so far.

Really, is it fair of you to sit back and judge me of being evasive about not answering a questionaire style post when it easily could be applied to any player in this game? Tar's questions were in no way tailor-made for me, in fact he posted the exact same thing when he was addressing King Enima. (Which I'd note that KE did not specifically respond Tar's questions - he just went on to rant about he is town and about the logical fallacies of random voting etc) I guess my main response to you, Fark, is this:

Given what you currently know, do you think Elmo is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

Given what you currently know, do you think iamausername is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

Given what you currently know, do you think that I, Timeater, am scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

Given what you currently know, do you think King Enigma is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

Given what you currently know, do you think Tarhlindur is scum? Please answer yes or no, and give reasoning.

My questions may not have been tailor-made to you, but since I asked YOU to answer the questions they WERE directed at you, so I don't find this defense valid on the basis that the central premise ("the questions weren't really directed at me") invalid.

Hey Fark, why so evasive?

1# Why am I so sure Elmo is town. I'm not 100% sure, but he has done things like scumhunt and call out KE on his "wishywashyness" that I like. He's also put himself out there for scruntiny by being proactive, which is risky for a scummer to do.

Again, I ask: Why is it that, when Elmo puts himself out there for scrutiny by asking questions, he's pro-town, but when I put myself out there for scrutiny by asking questions, I'm scum (if your earlier post attacking me is to be believed)?

2# Saying "obfuscated" after Tar posed his initial questions toward me (which I'd like to point out we still have not HEARD from Tar. ) I was trying to say that if I should be made to answer a questionaire, everyone else should. Thats completely reasonable. Obfuscate my ass! I even bothered answering the questions after the fact because I knew it was the right course of action - it had nothing to do with your post, knowing that refusing to answer would only cause undue paranoia.

1) Potshot, anyone?

2) If you thought that, if you should answer my questionnaire, then everyone else should also answer it, why not ask just everyone else to answer the questionnaire?

3) While your reasoning behind answering my questions has some validity, it says nothing about your alignment.

Question: Do you think taking positions on other players is pro-town?

3# You haven't answered the questions posed to you. Is it good town play to avoid questions posed in a serious manner that hope to benefit the town? The questions I posed were not meant to be sarcastic, merely answered so the game is even. Your "arguement" is that I am somehow scummly saying you should answer for things that were asked of me. That was not my intention. What I was trying to point out is that while its easy to cast stones and judge me from not wanting to answer a questionaire, its not very fair of you (hence my scumdar being alerted) because the questionaire could be applied to

anyone

.

I still say that the point remains that, while the questionnaire was potentially applicable to any player in the game, it was directed at you, so this argument is irrelevant.

I'm not trying to smokescreen anything, lol. Please tell me what I'm "smokescreening".

Anyway, looking over your answers, only one thing stands out:

Don't know, jury's still out.

Whats this mean, you basically will follow votes and join a wagon if the critical suspicion mass on KE reaches its teetering point? I dont like that. Please clarify if thats not what you meant. Also, I dont see how this information, as you claim, is disingenuous. Can you point out how I am not being sincere here?

This looks like blatant misrepresentation to me (albeit with the mitigating factor that Farkshinsoup still hasn't responded to this point... I'm not happy about that). Note the equivocation of "Don't know, jury's still out" (which I intrepreted as "no read") to "I'm going to wagon-hop if expedient" - I don't see how the first statement logically implies the second.

What is your obsession with "fairness" and things being "even". This game is, at its core, full of unfairness. It's unfair when innocent townies get lynched. It's unfair when townies are set up by scum. Why does everyone have to ask and answer the same questions? How does that help catch scum, who, by the way, have an "unfair" advantage by knowing who their buddies are and the abiliity to talk to each other and kill at night?

Obsession? I use the word a few times and you go on to say I have an obsession. You've got an interesting habbit of overstating things...Anyway - I do believe townies should be fair to one another and the standards of conduct and cooperation should be applied to all townies equally. Of course there are exceptions, e.g a Doc hiding his role or something, but overall, townies should be treated the same way when it comes to things like cooperation and conduct. Thats not saying alot and its not asking for much. As for the game itself, its fair, I dont know what you are talking about. Its up to the mod (and I trust destructor) to equalize the game in a way where all factions, whether they be scum, town, SK, cult, whatever - have a fair chance at winning. Mafia *should* be fair, and I'm sure alot of other experienced players will agree with me.

Anyway, on another note - I'm witholding my vote until I hear from more people, especially Tar. And why does it feel like Fark and I are the only ones talking?

Why is overstating things bad, much less scummy? Why didn't you elaborate on how it is scummy when you made this post?

Also, I can't really accept your argument that the game should be "fair" when there is an inherent reason why some players will be singled out (namely, that they are acting scummily and thus more likely to be scum), and I don't see how game balance concerns affect that fact. If we treat all players equally, how are we supposed to have better-than-random odds of lynching scum?

Sigh, my first reaction to Tar's post was to call him an idiot but then I thought to myself I should be nice and I dont really mean to call him an idiot, and he's probably not, etc. Anyway, now that I've heard his post (yet to hear from delibird he may have to be replaced? Which is odd because he's modding another game I'm in...) it was pretty underwhelming. Not only does he leave out this PBPA thats would indicate my scummyness, he goes on to say my "defensive" arguements are weak and doesnt give any examples. Nice.

I had hoped that it would be obvious that the PBPA would come when I had enough time to complete it. Clearly this was not the case.

I'm not convinced of Fark being scum, although I still believe it is very possible. *gives him a pass for good behavior (e.g posting rigorously) for now* There is one poster that consistently is confusing, evasive, and that someone I think we all can agree on is King Enigma. In recent post history, I did not like how he responded to my own post towards him. So my vote will go to him for now.

Vote: King Enigma

This is a lazy vote, but I feel its a safe one. I might not be on the forums alot lately because I'm kinda depressed and the world might end Oct 14.

So, you never actually voted Farkshinsoup despite giving off the strong impression that you thought that he was scum? THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is a scumtell in my books.

What does V/LA mean? Vacationing in Los Angeles? lol

I think posts 150# and 151# are flashes of brilliance. I like KE and his style. I like the way he thinks, its very genuine. Those two posts settled my fears greatly and managed to alleviate some of my concerns about him. I understand him, the player, now.

Unvote

Honestly Fark, I think you just nailed your own coffin shut with this comment:

Timeater, that last post feels to me like, "Well, I can't get a wagon going on Fark, so I'll jump on the one against KE."

Its like you are trying to pull off a jedi mind trick here by implying any wagon against you will fail. JMT's are great scumtells and now that I'm not so worried about KE, you're my #1 target.

Vote: Farkshinsoup

On another note, where is Delibird?

Well, on the one hand, at least you FINALLY voted for Farkshinsoup.

On the other hand, you back off of King Enigma once he starts attacking Fark (with crappy reasoning, IMO) and immediately return to attacking Fark... and the logic you use to do so is, as far as I can tell, both misrepresentation and absolute crap (as far as I can tell, he's attacking you for bandwagoning, which is a scumtell [for the very simple reason that scum don't really care who gets lynched so long as it's not themselves]... and bandwagoning is something which I seem to recall YOU attacking ME for earlier).

[Rishi]

Need to catch up. Post coming in the next day or so.

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ChannelDelibird hasn't responded to his prod and will be replaced.

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[Rishi]

Okay, so Elmo asked me what about Timeater's arguments that I liked against Fark. I can see why some people are saying that Tim overreacted to some of the things that Fark said, but I also think that what Fark said in a couple places were pretty bad such as the "I won't answer this. Maybe later" comment (paraphrasing here) and the "Tar vs. Tim" comment. I agree that Fark is being evasive at points but expecting people to be up front with him. With Fark's questions, it seems like he wants to seem like he's contributing when he hasn't got much to say.

Of the arguments against Tim, I'll say it is pretty strange, given how much he was going after Fark, that he waits until a couple days ago to finally place a vote. It's also interesting how that vote comes on the heels of votes from me and KE. Kind of seems like Tim was waiting for a viable bandwagon. So, Tim, what's with the timing of your vote?

Mod: I am voting for Fark. You have Fark voting for himself in the count.

Whoops. Sorry, fixed. - Mod

[Farkshinsoup]

Aside from Tar's post, not a lot happening. That post did make me smile, though.

I'm not trying to smokescreen anything, lol. Please tell me what I'm "smokescreening".

Anyway, looking over your answers, only one thing stands out:

Quote:
Don't know, jury's still out.


Whats this mean, you basically will follow votes and join a wagon if the critical suspicion mass on KE reaches its teetering point? I dont like that. Please clarify if thats not what you meant. Also, I dont see how this information, as you claim, is disingenuous. Can you point out how I am not being sincere here?

Tarhalindur specifically asked me to respond to this point. At the time, I meant that I couldn't get a read on him because there wasn't much there.

Now I would say that he seems more scummy to me. When I call him out for not scum hunting, he votes me. Not really OMGUS, but it just feels... lazy, for lack of a better word. Not enough for an FoS, let's call it IGMEOY.

Awesome Pants, we need to hear more from you. What is your read on me? On Timeater? Who's your top scum?

[Timeater]

Regarding Tar's PBPA - really all his points were extremely weak and taken out of context. When he wasn't agreeing with me, it was so forced and contrived I haven't bothered responding yet. Either he seriously is just trying to hard to build a case that isnt there or he's scum trying to hard. Either way I will leave it up to my fellow players to see the transparency of his attacks.

[Timeater]

Also if asked I will respond with an in-depth response PBPA but please realize they are extremely time-consuming to make (1-2 hours, easy).

[iamausername]

I'm pretty damn sure that iamausername is town (in fact, that read is why I asked about him earlier) - his play here reads like his play in both both Mind Screw games (where he was town). I willl check a game where iamausername was scum ASAP to double-check myself, though.

I'm intrigued by how certain you are about this so early in the game. If you have read up on my scum play by now, has that affected your read any? (If you haven't, this game is a pretty short one and probably shows fairly typical scum-user.)

After their latest altercation, I'm seeing a possibility of a Timeater/KingEnigma scum pairing. Timeater backing off based on one fairly weak analysis post from KE doesn't feel too genuine to me.

Honestly Fark, I think you just nailed your own coffin shut with this comment:

Timeater, that last post feels to me like, "Well, I can't get a wagon going on Fark, so I'll jump on the one against KE."

Its like you are trying to pull off a jedi mind trick here by implying any wagon against you will fail. JMT's are great scumtells and now that I'm not so worried about KE, you're my #1 target.

This is really reaching.

I also think that what Fark said in a couple places were pretty bad such as the "I won't answer this. Maybe later" comment (paraphrasing here)

Given that 'maybe later' has come and Frak has answered the question in question, are we to assume that you take issue with his explanation? If so, why?

Of the arguments against Tim, I'll say it is pretty strange, given how much he was going after Fark, that he waits until a couple days ago to finally place a vote. It's also interesting how that vote comes on the heels of votes from me and KE. Kind of seems like Tim was waiting for a viable bandwagon. So, Tim, what's with the timing of your vote?

This question demands an answer.

[iamausername]

Frak

Haha, now that is a great typo.

[Timeater]

DIDNT I SAY LIKE A MILLION TIMES IM HOLDING MY VOTE UNTIL I HEARD FROM TAR AND OTHERS? AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT I DID I DONT SEE THE CONFUSION THERE. *INSERT RANT ABOUT IDIOTS HERE*

[Elmo]

So does anyone have a read on Tar yet? (

*continues slacking*

)

[Rishi]

DIDNT I SAY LIKE A MILLION TIMES IM HOLDING MY VOTE UNTIL I HEARD FROM TAR AND OTHERS? AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT I DID I DONT SEE THE CONFUSION THERE. *INSERT RANT ABOUT IDIOTS HERE*

Okay, fine. But why did you feel the need to wait so long? It's not like Fark was in any danger of being lynched.