Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

[VisMaior]

Vis: I'm glad on second thought you don't find the conversation as scummy, but did you really need to phrase it the way you did? Manners please.

No offense meant in the first place. I was just trying to convert my reading of teh whole thing.

game. I want them to come forward and tell me why I shouldn't kill them right now

"Come forward so I can kill you!"
Err... Do I have to point out ... Nah.

[Natirasha]

@Everyone: Are you sure survivors aren't nessecaily 'true' survivors in this game? I'm thinking they probably have more conditions to win.

@Nat: I think I have a reason for you saying what you did, you probably have a win condition that says kill all survivors.

Yes. And it seems extensively easier than my other win condition, so I want them to tell me why I should try working on my other win condition and not this one.

[pacman281292]

Then Natirasha is something like a lyncher? IDK

[armlx]

Well, since Nat just blew it, Kinetic, the reason town would want survivors to claim is odds are the people who do claim are more likely to be scum then actual survivors.

[Kinetic]

I'm sorry, but I'm with Vis here, the absurdity of his statement just makes me want to lynch him.

[Kinetic]

Hmm, on second thought...

Unvote;Vote: Natirasha

Re-FOS Cybele

You missed this from before Tar

Fos: hp [leaves]

The reasoning for my vote of Natirasha is because I currently believe that his role is that of Survivor Hunter/Scum, and that he wants to achieve his survivor hunter win condition because he doesn't feel he achieve his scum win condition.

I intend to bus him to at least a full role claim, and none of this partial BS, and depending on his answers decide if I would also like to push for his lynch. Any assistance from the rest of the town would be appreciated.

[Cybele]

I approve of this motion.

unvote, vote Natirasha

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi I'm back from vacation, will post tomorrow.

[Darox]

Hmm, on second thought...

Unvote;Vote: Natirasha

Re-FOS Cybele

You missed this from before Tar

Fos: hp [leaves]

The reasoning for my vote of Natirasha is because I currently believe that his role is that of Survivor Hunter/Scum, and that he wants to achieve his survivor hunter win condition because he doesn't feel he achieve his scum win condition.

I intend to

bus

him to at least a full role claim, and none of this partial BS, and depending on his answers decide if I would also like to push for his lynch. Any assistance from the rest of the town would be appreciated.

Oops?

Unvote, Vote: Kinetic

Works for me.

[Kinetic]

bus, wagon, etc etc. Obviously I didn't mean the connotation that we were scum together...

[Tarhalindur]

"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote." - Kosh

DrippingGoofball's return from V/LA status is noted.

Still searching for a replacement for soaperguy29.

Tovarish has 48 hours to respond to his prod. - Tar

The Seventh Vote Count (aka the "Sky Full of Stars" Vote Count):

Vote Count:

VisMaior (2) - cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer), armlx
Empking (0)
malthusis (0)
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon) (1) - Darox (rep. seraphim)
Cybele (1) - armlx
MafiaSSK (1) - Mana_Ku
armlx (0)
Darox (rep. seraphim) (0)
forbiddanlight (0)
populartajo (0)
Mana_Ku (0)
Natirasha (2) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon), Cybele
veerus (1) - DrippingGoofball
The Internet (1) - Tovarish
DrippingGoofball (1) - The Internet
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (3) - RandomGem, forbiddanlight, malthusis
pacman281292 (0)
RandomGem (1) - pacman281292
hp [leaves] (2) - Empking, VisMaior
soaperguy21 (0)
Tovarish (1) - veerus

Not Voting (5): MafiaSSK, populartajo, Natirasha, hp [leaves], soaperguy29

Votes required to lynch: 12

FoS Count:

VisMaior
Empking (1) - forbiddanlight
malthusis
Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon)
Cybele (1) - Kinetic (rep. MBPikamon)
MafiaSSK (1) - malthusis
armlx (1) - VisMaior
Darox (rep. seraphim) (1) - hp [leaves]
forbiddanlight (1) - Empking
populartajo (1) - veerus
Mana_Ku
Natirasha
veerus
The Internet (1) - veerus
DrippingGoofball
cr3t1n (rep. Blitzer) (1) - malthusis
pacman281292
RandomGem (1) - pacman281292
hp [leaves] (1) - Kinetic
soaperguy21 (1) - veerus
Tovarish

Current Deadline:

October 24, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

Second Mod Deadline Review:

October 17, 2008 at ~6:00 P.M. (GMT -6)

[armlx]

Cybele's automatic hop to Natirasha makes me confident in my vote.

[Kinetic]

I'm having trouble deciding if Cybele is acting noob or scum... >>

[Empking]

Cybele, why are you voting Nat?

[Cybele]

i feel like it.

[Cybele]

Err... which is to say that this game is going slow enough that i want to speed it up with a lynch, whomever that takes.

[Empking]

Are you trying to bandwagon for a claim or lynch?

[Cybele]

We already have a sort of claim don't we? If he changes his story, he'd likely be scum. If he didn't, we'd have gained absolutely nothing. Therefore, either he has something to elaborate on the claim or we lynch him. I don't care which, as they're both likely to give us something to go on.

[MafiaSSK]

Cybele, your acting amazingly scummy.

Unvote, vote Cybele

[armlx]

SSK, mind elaborating? I agree with you 100%, but this is my attempts to force you to participate.

[pacman281292]

Unvote, Vote: Cybele.

Cybele, randomvoting is over (I think), and "I feel like it" is NOT reason for voting (I think).
I really hate (and don't understand) your 192. Looks like a false dilemma (I think).

[armlx]

Her 192 is actually legit reasoning Pacman, the rest of her posts are the issue.

[forbiddanlight]

Well, Nat is certainly an idiot. But, his role is a null tell for his alignment. Part of me wants to vote him because of Mind Screw II, but that's probably screwing myself...

And then I notice that Cybele and Kinetic magically jump on Nat. And there are two survivors...

I almost want to think it wouldn't be this obvious.

But, either way, asking the survivors to claim, while likely futile, isn't scummy. We can deal with Nat later (I think). I'm happy with

Unvote, vote Cybele

HoS Kinetic

Also

HoS MafiaSSK

You are phony as hell, I'm just leery of any survivor in a tar game (they have teeth *shudder*). I'm pretty sure the people jumping on Nat with those BS reasons are likely survivors.

[The Internet]

Just letting everyone know my thoughts. I think the survivors should claim if they feel it would help, and I think ant should full claim before the town tries to force them to claim. Cybele is fairly scummy, but I think I'll wait for him to drop another tell or at least reply. Kinetic seems to be normal, but I wouldn't rule him out as survivor.

[Kinetic]

Well, Nat is certainly an idiot. But, his role is a null tell for his alignment. Part of me wants to vote him because of Mind Screw II, but that's probably screwing myself...

Mind explaining why you think its a null tell?

And then I notice that Cybele and Kinetic magically jump on Nat. And there are two survivors...

I almost want to think it wouldn't be this obvious.

But, either way, asking the survivors to claim, while likely futile, isn't scummy. We can deal with Nat later (I think). I'm happy with

Unvote, vote Cybele

HoS Kinetic

There was nothing magical about it. I gave my reasons for my vote, explained as much as I felt I needed to, and voted him. Cybele immediately following like he's attached to my ass is more on him than on me.

As for your obvious attempts to link the two of us together, maybe you should do a little more research. In my first serious post of this game (123) I noted the very thing everyone is voting Cybele for and FOSed him for it. 7 posts before Arlex voted for Cybele, which was his first vote.

I've kept that FOS up and not voted for Cybele, as explained in post (153) before Nat's partial claim, and post (187) after I voted Nat. However, just to reiterate, I find Cybele scummy, but I can't decide if his actions are more indicative of scum play or newbie play. Heck, it could be newbie scum play, with an attempt to latch onto a townie (myself).

I don't know, but I'm more sure that I want to know more about Nat's role before I make a push to lynch, and to do that it requires my vote on him for pressure. Without other votes and more pressure though he's going to get away scot free and we'll end the day with very little information on him.

I'm pretty sure the people jumping on Nat with those BS reasons are likely survivors.

Ah, what a perfect example of Ad hominem without being aggressive (which it seems many people on this forum incorrectly assume is needed for an Ad hominem attack).

You either disagree with my conclusions or otherwise don't believe they are right, but instead of arguing against them you make an attack against me (he's most likely a survivor, thus he must be wrong not because the argument is wrong, but because he's a survivor.)

Sorry, that doesn't fly, and for trying to tie me to Cybele without doing a little research which would show that very unlikely, and using a fallacious argument to try and discredit me further I

FOS:forbiddenlight

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