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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:49 pm

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I count four (and you, but you don't count since she's attacking you), there's four scum, maybe it's just that easy?
Scum teams don't know each other. At best, there would be three, since a kill was missed, possibly indicating scum hitting another scum. But even that's iffy. I really don't think it's that easy, lol.

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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:55 pm

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sekinj wrote:
Cephrir wrote:
sekinj wrote:@ceph: If you have a case against me or my predecessor, I'd love to see it.
You did read the game, right? It's my first post.
You mis-read me. I said
*case*
not vote. you actually spend that entire post talking about everyone, quote one post from mik and say it gives you "weird vibes" and then vote mik. again, case please.
Not true. I also talked about him in the paragraph preceding that quote.

M4yhem makes a good point. Several actually.
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:07 pm

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I've gone back and looked at Snix... the following is every single thing he has said in the last 22 pages. Please scan through this and tell me if you see anything missing...
P0 - "/confirm"
p1 - "I thought random voting wasn't good, eh? Vote: ChubbsMcLubbs"
p2 - "reasons?"
p3 - "other than putting the third vote on ssf? No, I don't seem to be seeing it."
p4 - "Rolling over doesn't really help your case much. "
p5 - "he's at 5 if my count is correct."
p6 - "It's page four and to be honest neither of them really warrent death as of yet. I would like chubbs to stop lurking and maybe address some of the points against him. "
p7 - "Of course setting up mislynches is bad, it is very scummy but lets let him at least defend himself first. I want to hear some sort of defense from him before I vote. "
p8 - "Both of thier disappearances are annoying me. While I understand the case against Chubbs, joubert's attempt to set up multiple lynches based on a town flip just screams for more attention."
p9 - "Why am I fos'd? We here in the mafia community like explanations with our murder. "
p10 - "SSF was the only person voting Chubbs at the end of day 1. The whole problem with the arguement is majorly WIFOM. "
p11 - "Because I now realize that he disappeared when the pressure was turned up and never returned. "
p12 -
His first 'big' post of the game!!
"I hate /agree posts but I don't really have much to add to the case against gedds. Everything seems solid enough. so unvote, vote: geddingsworth also, the only problem I can see with scum pushing like crazy against a dud night kill is that they could potentially use it to kill off town quicker."
p13 - Nope, I was already listed as voting for him. It was a mistake and now I made it official... "
p14 - "Arm, good catch. I hadn't noticed how EL been fallowing me around all game. I can't really explain the trend from my own point of view, I'd like to hear what EL has to say about it. It also looks really bad that I was already listed as voting as a mod mistake and no one jumped on until after I corrected the issue and changed my vote. "
p15 - "I'll answer any questions anyone tosses at me but there really isn't anything I can say about the motives of EL. "
p16 - "That'd be cool IMO."
p17 - "Also, Ceph. I've already said that I'll answer any questions people want to throw at me. "
p18 - "He was right though. Lets see how long we can derail the game. Shall we?"
p19 - "The problem is that with two speed lynches we don't have much to go on. The closest we got to a clue is the fact that EL seems to be following me on who to vote for. "
p20 - "V/LA for the weekend. Hope I don't miss much."
p21 - "That stance being? "
p22 - "oh dear god the prodding hurts. If you'd note the vote on Chubbs was a pressure vote to get him to post more. He had disapeared durring day 1. And the geds wagon had reason behind it, most of which was put there by you."
p23 - "EBWOP: that was in response to Armlx. "
p24 - "damn you, you beat me to it. That puts him at L-2 to let others know."
p25 - "That's kinda the way I play, find someone I think is scum and jump. I do hate meta arguements though so if you can find examples I might be able to beter explain myself. IMO this town is too quiet and the only way to find scum in these games is to make them talk till they slip up. Which means I'm not really set on lynching EL just for following me. I want some sort of actual defense rather than him dissapearing."
p26 - "That's kinda what I was talking about in my last post. Scum are just too content on being in the shadows and there isn't much reason for them not to. I've made up my mind on EL; his last defence wasn't really much of an explanation then an attempt to deflect attention. Something I don't think town would do. Vote: EL ""
p27 - "I'm here. If it matters."
p28 - "So, we've basicly agreed to wait for replacements? "
p29 - "I'm going to be LA too. My internet is pretty much dead and I'm posting this from a phone right now."
p30 - "back and nothing has happened.... whoo. "
p31 - "xtoxm, my good friend. How's it been. It's like were getting the gang back together. "
p32 - "They'd at least know who'd be an easy target and who wouldn't. "
p33 - "Not really. I'm just waiting for the other replacement. "
p34 - "vote count would be nice.. We've gone from gun-ho town to scared shitless town."
p35 - "vote count would also be cool. "
p36 - "I'd rather we continue.. "
p37 -
I'm glad my appearance has motivated Snix to make his longest post of the game
"I must say that I am personally against the EL/snix wagon for the obvious reasons that I'm on it. Sekinj just seems like she's trying to force a lynch to get to night. The only Pro-town powerroll is gone sooo... Unvote, Vote: Sekinj I say EL/Sekinj wagon, she replaced in and totaly stole the stage with crap-logic and took any remaining focus off of EL."
p38 - "Notice the "with crap-logic" part of that sentence, you keep telling us to read and yet you refuse to do it. Post, yes. Post crap, no. "
p39 - "Bring your best shot "
p40 - "It's what I do.. *shrug*"


Did you find it? No, because it's not there... it's called Scumhunting. that's right. Snix has done 0. he's done plenty of bandwagoning, but no scumhunting.
HIs posts are also severely lacking in content. The vast majority of his posts are shorter than his automatic signature! Let me repeat: This is every single thing he has said in this game. How can he be town if he is not trying to find scum??
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:20 pm

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EBWOP: I added the two comments in italics to Snix's posts.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:03 am

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comments? questions? reactions? try to remember that we ARE playing this game again....
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:34 pm

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It's true, but Chubbs, OP and your predecessors are guilty of the same.
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:27 pm

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@ceph: so you've decided they are all town?
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:25 pm

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sekinj and armlx are really the only ones who have pushed any new major cases this whole game..that are still alive. The amount of scumhunting doesn't reveal allignment, just whether someone is pro-town (which doesn't even work in this game, since scum can hunt for other scum in different factions). I do think Snix is scummy, but only in association with EL, but I think the fact that Snix hasn't done as much as you have doesn't mean he is scum.
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:42 pm

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@OP: so snix is scummy because EL has followed his vote... but nothing snix himself has done is scummy? yet you are convinced he is still scum? What? How can another player's action convince you that snix is scum while at the same time nothing snix does is scummy according to you?
and "hasn't done as much as I have"? please remember how long I have been in this game. 2 days. he has been in it 2 months, how can you do 0 scumhunting in 2 months? yet people think I am the scum and he is not?
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:13 am

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sekinj wrote:@ceph: so you've decided they are all town?
I didn't say that, just that your case appears selective.
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:29 am

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Cephrir wrote:
sekinj wrote:@ceph: so you've decided they are all town?
I didn't say that, just that your case appears selective.
well that's better than the no case that everyone else is going on...
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:35 am

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MOD:

Please prod or replace chubbs (last posted on Sept 1st) and prod EL (last posted on Sept 13th)

Also, please post a current VC.
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:07 am

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Personally I think if Snix and EL were scum together, they wouldn't follow each other around so obviously. Unless they are newbs-are they newbs?

Following and Buddying up are scumtells though, so EL could be scum as well as Snix; my instinct says he'd be from a different group in that case.

Orangepenguin's defense of Snix is interesting. I don't agree. Bandwagonning is a tell here as much as anywhere. Also, I'm pushing a case against you that's fairly revolutionary, OP, way to ignore that!
Cephrir wrote:It's true, but Chubbs, OP and your predecessors are guilty of the same.
This is a fallacy; just because other people have done it, doesn't make it not scummy.

Especially since OP looks scummy by himself.
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:45 am

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EL was kinda a newb, but that's a lot of WIFOM there M4yhem.

I could see EL and Snix as scum separately though, you make a point. I really just think both are scum.
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:54 am

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Here's a vote count for no particular reason.

sekinj 3 (Ceph, FL, Snix)
EL 2 (armlx, OP)
FL 2 (EL, Chubbs)
OP 1 (sekinj)
Snix 1 (M4yhem)
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:41 am

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I have sent my requests for Prods to WizardCat via PM.

Can everyone help me out by sending a PM to him as well? I would love to spam his mailbox until he notices us again.
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:54 am

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There are at least 2 more people who need to comment on my Snix case. Even a passing, "that sucks" woudl be great...

come on guys let's keep up the momentum. Who needs a mod before we get to lynch anyway? :P
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:18 am

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Some people have school, school projects, essays, papers, and the such to contend with...

Prods will be sent in case they are still alive, else replacements will be found.

Vote counts will also be put up sometime in the immediate future.

Also, I think this is post #100. Woo.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:02 am

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I still support a Snix lynch.
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:33 am

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@ arm - you support Snix lynch, but you like EL better right now? that is why you are voting EL?

If we all say Snix is scum, I think we shoudl all move our votes over to him. I agree that EL looks scummy... but I'd rather lynch a player that is playing that one we are waiting to get replaced.
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:02 am

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I would rather lynch sekinj. Shockingly.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:31 pm

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Cephrir wrote:I would rather lynch sekinj. Shockingly.
So you just going to post one liners until i am lynched?
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:38 pm

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sekinj wrote:@ arm - you support Snix lynch, but you like EL better right now? that is why you are voting EL?

If we all say Snix is scum, I think we shoudl all move our votes over to him. I agree that EL looks scummy... but I'd rather lynch a player that is playing that one we are waiting to get replaced.
You seem to really be playing the field here.. First you vote OP then go after FL then EL and then me. I think you're just looking for an easy lynch.
Why take out an active member of the game. We were all pretty certain that EL was scummy for following me, right? Why then convict me for being followed? Did I have any control over his voting habits?

As for the short post case, that's what I do. Unless I'm trying to convince the entire town of someone's scummieness it's short posts. Meta me for confirmation.
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:54 pm

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@ arm - you support Snix lynch, but you like EL better right now? that is why you are voting EL?
Its because EL was acting dumb under pressure and was more of the opportunist by hopping on behind Snix's votes. That said, Snix's behavior re: Chubbs was scummy as well.

Basically, I think they both are and don't have a strong preference to who is lynched.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:31 am

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As for the short post case, that's what I do. Unless I'm trying to convince the entire town of someone's scummieness it's short posts. Meta me for confirmation.
I'm a sucker for meta, and extraordinarily lazy. Can you link examples?

Otherwise, I accept the Snix case, but dislike the source. I'd dismiss it out of hand it there weren't two scum groups. I think I'll look closer in that direction pending Snix's answer.
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