Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

[malthusis]

Vote

Forbiddanlight

for messing up the town in MSII!

[malthusis]

I really hope this game isn't like Mind Screw in the fact of all the voting and FoS wackiness. To all un-initiated in Tar, he counts Fos'es in all of his games.

@MafiaSSK: You do remember that this is Babylon 5 Mafia, not Mind Screw.

Mod: I am now off V/LA

[malthusis]

populartajo wrote:
Why is policy lynching MafiaSSk always the best option?

I'm lurkerscum to him in every game.

My reason I don't really like you is not because you're lurking, but you do absolutely no scumhunting or anything to help the town. You practically sat around following everybody in MSII the main game I've had with you.

Me like cr3t1n BaNdwAgon FTW!

Unvote Vote cr3t1n

[malthusis]

This thread fails at beeing interesting so far.

Then why don't you make it interesting

[malthusis]

I sorta have to side with armlx here. Pretty much if we have no one better to lynch, MafiaSSK goes down the tubes. Plus, it looks like we need some way to inject some action into this game (Plus, who can argue with a tiger )

Vote: MafiaSSK

P.S: I really wish more players would participate in the discussion. And where did Cr3t1n disappear of to?

FoS: Cr3t1n

[malthusis]

malthusis wrote:
I sorta have to side with armlx here. Pretty much if we have no one better to lynch, MafiaSSK goes down the tubes. Plus, it looks like we need some way to inject some action into this game (Plus, who can argue with a tiger Smile ) Vote: MafiaSSK

P.S: I really wish more players would participate in the discussion. And where did Cr3t1n disappear of to? FoS: Cr3t1n
l0lwut im here

y rnt u lookin at other ppl who r lurkin

voet: VismAior

Uh, VisMajor just voted yesterday.

[malthusis]

We need some prodding. Mod: Prod Internet, DGB, Tovarish, and Vismaior.

(There's a few other people being on the cusp of the 72 hour rule)

[malthusis]

I'll do a pbpa of the first person to get 5 or so votes.

Why are you asking to do a pbpa when we barely know who to vote, let alone any major suspicion?

FoS: MafiaSSK

[malthusis]

I'm almost tempted to encourage everyone to vote SSK to five votes so he is forced to do a pbpa of himself. I would find that highly entertaining.

Hey, that was my idea

MafiaSSK looks like he's trying too hard to be townie with trying to do his pbpa. Could someone restate why Cybele is suspicous for me? I'm not really getting why she's suspicous for voting on the SSK wagon.

[malthusis]

@Nat: Why do you think they'll come forward and why should I believe you?

[malthusis]

@Everyone: Are you sure survivors aren't nessecaily 'true' survivors in this game? I'm thinking they probably have more conditions to win.

@Nat: I think I have a reason for you saying what you did, you probably have a win condition that says kill all survivors.

[malthusis]

I totally agree with Nat on answering the town question. But to prove to me that you're not town Nat, what faction is mentioned in the townie WC?

[malthusis]

You know that trying to mass claim faction names (not WC's) is practically mass genocide? When WC's are saying that you have to kill a faction, this is going to be an utter vigfest.

FoS: people pushing this idea

[malthusis]

malthusis wrote:
You know that trying to mass claim faction names (not WC's) is practically mass genocide? When WC's are saying that you have to kill a faction, this is going to be an utter vigfest. FoS: people pushing this idea


How many vigs are there mal?

All I know is that there is probably quite a few factions that want to kill each other so revealing ones faction (besides town) probably means someone would like you dead.

[malthusis]

I'm up for WC mass claim.

Why? Even that has the same pretty much the same flaws as the race claim.

Also

FOS Malthusis

Should be obvious.

What's the FoS for? Not agreeing to mass claim?

[malthusis]

I'm going to wait to vote Nat until she comes here and defends herself first.

Unvote

[malthusis]

@Nat: I think I know who you are after all this conversation. And no, with this discovery I have found out that the Narn are not a informed minority and my suspicions were right about the massfaction claim being a bad idea.

[malthusis]

EBWOP: I think I have figured out what all the factions win conditions are and will reveal them if people want me to. I think Nat is totally lying scum with a contradicting message in his post. Therefore...

Vote: Nat

[malthusis]

I have evidence that someone is framing the Narn faction to be scum so they can win. And no, I definitly haven't changed my stance on mass claim (That means no). I still want to lynch Nat, his Anti-Shadow claim is suspicous (It isn't like he's going to help the town anyways).

[malthusis]

There's definitly 6 races, just that your WC's are wrong.

[malthusis]

veerus wrote:
I think RandomGem should decide who should start the claim (if we do this) since his role was officially revealed by the mod's action.


Interesting idea, but it lends itself to the doubt if that is his real role or not. I'm inclined to believe it is his role at this time, but I don't think we can take it as guaranteed until it is guaranteed.

Why are you guys so sure that the mod was behind this?

[malthusis]

malthusis wrote:
Quote:

veerus wrote:
I think RandomGem should decide who should start the claim (if we do this) since his role was officially revealed by the mod's action.


Interesting idea, but it lends itself to the doubt if that is his real role or not. I'm inclined to believe it is his role at this time, but I don't think we can take it as guaranteed until it is guaranteed.



Why are you guys so sure that the mod was behind this?


Umm, the mod posted it... what do you mean?

Thanks FL A role in MS2 died after it's first post but was actually alive and communicated by giving the mod messages to say on it's behalf. Just because the mod said it, I wouldn't exactly be 100% sure that it's the mod's doing. (As in I'm wondering whether someone revealed the true version, or made a fake).

[malthusis]

Actually, it's the other way around veerus. The mod was actually a player in MS2, which makes it seem very unlikely that mod posted that PM and more likely someone else did.

[malthusis]

Hey, ho, lets go.

I don't think the race claim is going to have the effect Kinetic thinks it will.

QFT

Kinetic, you're pushing the race claim way too much. Why do you want it so badly? I haven't you do a single thing to hunt scum. All you've done is comment amount events and defend your big 'plan'.

Unvote, Vote Kinetic

Kinetic is confirmed, and forbiddenlight pretty much confirmed as well.

Which way is Kinetic confirmed (scum/town)?

[malthusis]

Darox wrote:
Hey, ho, lets go.

I don't think the race claim is going to have the effect Kinetic thinks it will.


And without elaborating at all. Grats! You've just received a whole lot of new information, yet your stance hasn't changed at all.

Suspicious?

How does still disagreeing with your plan equate to being suspicous?

[malthusis]

We can finally lynch scum now

Unvote, Vote Nat

@Knights: What do you think of the events of this game so far? What's your position on the claim?

Notice: 9 days till deadline

[malthusis]

No, it's that we think you and [hp] leaves are lying.

[malthusis]

I just don't really buy your claim. I've said that since the time you claimed.

[malthusis]

Quote:


I don't know. I'm just speculating at this point. What makes you think they're different?


Three regular survivors...in a Tar game? Yeah right. Survivor in MS one had that cool power that screwed up vots. Survivor/Serial Killer in MS two had the ability to kill by abilities. Even if this isn't MS, I doubt that Tar would EVER make a vanilla survivor. And I doubt he'd use two of the same type unless maybe they were mason survivors (which would be a cool role, lol)

I highly doubt it. I personally think they're two scum from the same scumgroup fakeclaiming opposite survivors so they can distance each other. Even if i'm wrong (and I don't) everyone agrees that they aren't town anyways. The question is which one of them should we lynch first?

[malthusis]

Remember: If no one has majority by deadline, it is a no lynch. I strongly urge everyone to make up their minds about who to lynch.

I still don't like this dumb plan, but I'm a Narn.

[malthusis]

Now that lot's of people did the almighty claim, who do you think we should lynch Kinetic? There's only roughly 2 days left to decide.

Are we claiming or not? And also, I think dybeck is being semi hypocritical. calling out people for stalling when he himself is doing it right there.

Unvote, vote dybeck

Quote:


With three days to go and significant characters V/LA, lurking or stalling, tell me that you've figured a way around this.


Does it matter? With three days to go you might as well do because it looks like you are gonna die. Also, if no one objects, I think we might as well just do our raceclaims right now, no popcorn. I'll do mine in my next post if people are fine with it and start doing it.

Why do you think that dybeck is going to get lynched?

[malthusis]

Anti-prod. I'm really waiting to see what the 2nd part Kinetic's 'plan' is.

@The Internet: Majority doesn't matter, it's a no lynch if a full majority isn't reached.

Could someone explain the reason why people are voting for KoC?

[malthusis]

@Nat

forbiddanlight wrote:
Honestly, I think I'm fine with Vote Natirasha comparing the claims.

Why are you lynching people that don't actually hurt the town when you could lynch people who actually are scummy and have commited scummy actions, like KoC and SSK?

Could someone explain the reason why people are voting for KoC?

Why SSK?

[malthusis]

Gaim.

Gaim? What's the WC for that?

[malthusis]

@Veerus: This is a Deep South game. There are no nights, and you submit your abilities during the day and get the effects the next day.

I also agree to see the second phase of the plan.

[malthusis]

Isn't it pacman's 2nd prod?

[malthusis]

Since I'm Narn, and farside doesn't seem to be confirming, the real win condition for Narn is killing Centauri and LoUW.

[malthusis]

This shall put KoC at L-1 if Kinetic is right.

Unvote Vote:KoC

[malthusis]

I think I just realized a flaw in your plan Kinetic. (All though I still agree with lynching KoC today). What would scum gain from claiming a different race then their own? Couldn't they just claim their own race and be able to prove it easily?

[malthusis]

Notice: 1 hour left till deadline!

[malthusis]

@pacman: You voting for KoC?

[malthusis]

Wow, that was only 12 minutes from the deadline.

[malthusis]

I think he'll let this one slide.

[malthusis]

You remember that pop got replaced and they haven't found a replacement, right?

[malthusis]

Also, since Kinetic's efforts to break open the setup are amusing me (hey, it's what I'd try to do...), I'll be nice and tell you this now: Knight of Cydonia is Minbari. - Tar

hahahaha!

[malthusis]

Just for reference, what was the post # that [hp] leaves claimed in?

[malthusis]

Hp is lying scum trying to cover her tracks with a cop claim. I am actually a Narn Gunsmith-like role, and I got a guilty read on [hp] having the ability to kill people(The flavor says I am a good judge of character, so [hp] might not nessecarily have a gun). It's also really hard to believe we have 2 cops and 2 roleblockers in the same setup.

Vote [hp] leaves

[malthusis]

Another fact dawned upon me as I got my results. I'm now thinking that each of the mafia's faction WC's must have mentioned their anti-factions in them for them to get the idea of claiming them, so this logically means the mafia's win conditions do not require them to kill each other. (And if their mentioned WC's had anti-factions in them, this indeed puts a lot of doubt on the people who claimed the anti-races in the first place). Another hit against Mana_Ku is that I simply don't think that Tar would put a cop in a game without a drawback or restriction.

[malthusis]

Vote: Farside

Fixed

Why?

Cleared as in? I have no idea of which faction Malt is from. He is safe to claim anything now, as pop is MIA and can't counter-claim anything.

How could Tajo (or his replacement) counterclaim my role just beacuse he's a Narn?

[malthusis]

EBWOP:

Almighty Mod: could you please prod Pacman, Cr3tin, SSK(He hasn't posted for a very, very, very long time) and tajo (If you haven't found a replacement yet.

Another notice: [hp] is now at L-2

[malthusis]

@ Pacman, SSK, and cr3tin


My claim:

Another fact dawned upon me as I got my results. I'm now thinking that each of the mafia's faction WC's must have mentioned their anti-factions in them for them to get the idea of claiming them, so this logically means the mafia's win conditions do not require them to kill each other. (And if their mentioned WC's had anti-factions in them, this indeed puts a lot of doubt on the people who claimed the anti-races in the first place). Another hit against Mana_Ku is that I simply don't think that Tar would put a cop in a game without a drawback or restriction.

I am not a cop, I am gunsmith-like role. I got a guilty on [hp]who claimed cop, not vig. He even denies he has any vig powers.

[malthusis]

@Mana_Ku

Post#1087

Hp is lying scum trying to cover her tracks with a cop claim. I am actually a Narn Gunsmith-like role, and I got a guilty read on [hp] having the ability to kill people(The flavor says I am a good judge of character, so [hp] might not nessecarily have a gun). It's also really hard to believe we have 2 cops and 2 roleblockers in the same setup. Vote [hp] leaves

I targeted hp because I didn't believe her cop claim. (I was actually going to investigate you, but I didn't know you could change targets).

[malthusis]

It simply said that [hp] was dangerous.

[malthusis]

@Kinetic

Now with the confirmed revelation that a gunsmith does find a 'guilty' on cops you're backing off.

But you never claimed to have EXACTLY a gunsmith role. You claimed that HP had an ability to KILL people, and even that it might not USE a gun.

Who confirmed that? I don't, which is why I said my results in the first place and started all this mess. Mana_Ku was simply asking the flavor text for my result. That's the form that I got it in. That explain it for you?

[malthusis]

I know that [hp] can kill for sure, or else I wouldn't have claimed.

[malthusis]

Malthusis wrote:
It simply said that [hp] was dangerous.

Instead of getting something like ''X is guilty'' this is what I got for my result.

[malthusis]

@Mac: My result said he was dangerous, which meant that he could kill.

[malthusis]

When one's ability says (You can investigate someone and see if they are able to kill) I'm pretty sure.

[malthusis]

Hp can kill. That's the message I've been trying to get across for the last two pages.

[malthusis]

pacman281292 wrote:
If hp shows up as a non-killer, I'll slap you, malth.
(And lynch you, though)


How will we know? None of the current reveals have told us EXACTLY what someone is... If HP comes up as scum or as XXXX Killer, that would be one thing, but what if he comes up as Psy-Cop? Will that mean that he was telling the truth or that he was lying?

That's why I'm supplementing all this with the fact that [hp] hasn't exactly been the most pro-town person and if we lynch him, we aren't losing a AoL member. Simply if anything differs from what [hp] says, I'm going to take it he was lying.

[malthusis]

For all the people who don't understand Pacman's idea,

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... %27s_Razor

[malthusis]

I think its safer to lynch the claimed gunsmith than the claimed cop tough.

Why?

[malthusis]

@Dybeck: What do you mean and why do you want to know?

[malthusis]

For the millionth time (this is getting annoying) I was told that [hp] could kill.

[malthusis]

I think everyone is starting to overthink this way to much.I do have total proof that the Bus Driver theory, though (on my end) is utter rubbish.

[malthusis]

Arrgh. I'd knew I'd die. Bah, go AoL.

[malthusis]

Was I paranoid? or was Mana_Ku a miller? I still can't believe you guys lynched Mac for a win.

[malthusis]

That's probably why it was an ADDED on WC, rather then a must do to win WC.

[malthusis]

@Tar: You did remember I pre-inned all the way back at MSII right? (The way this is going, the game could be a quarter full before anyone even signs up).