The better question is why shouldn't you be?Why am I your policy lynch again?
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There were shenanigans involving votes being invisibly placed on people other then the person being voted (up or down on the player list?), FOS's and votes counting together or what not. Basically bat shit insane, but I doubt it is like that in this game due to the fact the game isn't themed to mind fuck the players.Tovarish wrote:What is this history you speak of?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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No, I've seen you legitimately do helpful things in games once you get involved (Space Monkeys, Realistic).Natirasha wrote:
Not me?armlx wrote:SSK is probably the definition of a policy lynch.
But policy lynches are only "optimal" in the absence of actually scummy behavior.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I realize, I was more commenting on how you said he would be scummy if he active lurked, rather then just worthless and null.You say that like I didn't understand the situation before you said it. I'm not going to easy lynch anyone based on an out of game reason. When you start moving out of game for primary reasons you set a very poor precedent that I for one won't follow.
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Nat wrote: So...let me understand your logic, Kinetic...your voting me because...wait...your voting me because...your voting me because I want to win?
This. Killing people who are actually survivors is a little short of optimal for town, not quite mislynches but worse then scum lynching.FL wrote: We vote scum who just want to win, do we not?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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As well as a good scum role, so it cancels out, hence null tell.I also believe the survivor-hunter is a null tell. This is becuase it could make a good Town role.
I think that's what you mean?
One vote? Orly?Cybele (1) - armlx, MafiaSSK, pacman281292
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Actually, I see neither in that last post. I do see trying to pass off scummy play as a gambit though, and my default assumption is to not buy it.Secondly, I'll save armlx the trouble of pointing out the appeal to emotion from Cybele and the fact that he pulled some pretty blatant WIFOM there.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I don't know if naming the faction is going to do anything. If the non-town WC's are anything like the town one, it should be obvious regardless of alignment.
There's 3 specific things Kinetic did that irk me though.
1) Call for mass claim.
2) The one alignment thing
3) Distancing from Cybele.
Given that he hasn't imploded in any major way that I can see regarding his WC, I'm inclined to think Nat as neutral and him as town is a likely enough possibility that there is higher value in doing this.
Vote Cybele
I wouldn't be surprised if Nat is actually a survivor btw.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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This. You were hoping your mass claim got someone to reveal role information in an unprompted manner.I was hoping that while we were talking about it someone might have come forward, maybe with some more information about the set-up if they had it, but alas, either no one knows, they are lurking, or just aren't reading anything and are just skimming posts (most likely)...Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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malthusis wrote: You know that trying to mass claim faction names (not WC's) is practically mass genocide? When WC's are saying that you have to kill a faction, this is going to be an utter vigfest. FoS: people pushing this idea
There you go pacman.
And D1 mass claim is only "optimal" in A) games with too few townies and/or too many vanilla mafiates and B) poorly designed theme games.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Kinetic, wouldn't ever claiming their race just lead to more issues with people pursuing their race WC over the AOL one? Why not just have everyone agree to NEVER claim race, which means no one can ever target another race specifically and therefore has to win via their alignment WC.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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You assume every race knows exactly how many members of each race, including their own, there are. Without this knowledge, the races can't possibly figure out at exactly what point they gain value on focusing on their race WC.As people die we'll learn their race. What will happen when Centauri find that, its true that the town is losing, but if they find ONE MORE NARN they can win? What will happen when any race does that? What if this boils down to a race war? Keeping the races secret, that is what this will become. Doing a race claim when there is an imbalance of power is what this will become. While the races are all balanced is the ONLY time a race claim can have any effect. Once there is a death, everything goes out the window unless we stop it, here and now.
Nothing during the day. But at night I expect a lot of actions to be swayed by claimed races, especially potential vig kills like Nat said.Armlx, what do you think will happen if we will race claim now?
Kinetic, what makes you assume Nat needs to kill the Shadow Ops and knows the wording from that, as opposed to anything else? Hell, the info was revealed in the thread.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Fair.
Nat is trying to help the town now. What i was wondering is if Nat's WC directly stated Shadows as opposed to Shadow Operatives. You see, if it mentioned Shadows, and hp's mentioned Vorlons and not Operatives then perhaps something I was mulling over may have fit. I... can't exactly explain everything yet, but it was important.
I assumed that was one of your assumptions. Otherwise, how would a race know when another race was at low numbers, or theirs was at high numbers, until the late game.Did I say that? No, I didn't. You're assuming I'm assuming something I'm not assuming... There are other ways to skin a cat.
I realize the game is Deep South and there isn't really a night, but all actions resolving at the end of the day is the exact same thing really.That is the beauty of a thing.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I realize what your conclusion is. Its possible its just wrong though.They wouldn't need to know exact. They'd have to reach the same conclusion I have, which frankly, isn't very hard to reach if you know where to look.
If you are that sure though and have hidden info, I'm down with a claim. Vote to see who starts, then popcorn from there though.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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This. Then, later, if someone flips scum, you can look at who they chose. Or question people on why they chose someone after the claim, as they should be choosing off logical reasons.Yes and also when you are choosing who to claim next, your intent is to pick who you think the scummiest person is. Nailing a scum early in a popcorn claim is the best strategy.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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