Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

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/confirm

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Vote Santos

Ordered by the disguised guys of his avatar who aimed their

vote gun

at me.

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Vote Santos Ordered by the disguised guys of his avatar who aimed their vote gun at me.

They are women.

See, their disguise works .


CC, what set-up information do you have that makes you slightly suspicious of armlx? Can you explain what you mean with this?

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Players i would happily bandwagon now:

Santos
EmpKing
RiceBallTail

Of the 3, the latter has majorly pinged my scumdar twice, out of a handful of posts.

Unvote, Vote: RBT

but

IGMEOY: Empking, Santos

BM

Why Santos?


Did the masons really have to reveal themselves?

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I agre with Moses here. If you think he's a power role then why do you mention it?
Besides, why did you unvote?

RBT, what do you mean with 'trying to hard', your reason for voting Moses?

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I agree with armlx here. Now that Santos has already 'revealed' that he's a mason, he already has a higher chance of being NK'ed. If there isn't a third mason it doesn't matter if Santos reveals or doesn't reveal his partner as Santos can get NK'ed and his partner changes in a normal townie.
I would like to know who his partner is. If his partner can confirm that they are masons, then we at least know there's another mason group. Now there's still a chance of him lying.

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I'm not assuming that they are both town alligned. As you can see, I wrote that we then at least know that there is another mason group.
Lately, we have only been discussing about Santos's 'partner'. I want this over with as this is only distracting.

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If Santos is indeed scum, it would seem that rope is indeed the right choice.

Unvote Gun, Vote Rope

Armlx, can you explain what you meant with the BM comment of post 376?

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Rope lynches scum, gun kills townies.

If Santos thought this at the beginning then why would he choose gun? That's why i think rope is the right choice for him.

But if you think gun is the right choice, then why is that?

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Well, the WIFOM is already present.
If Santos is scum, which would he choose? The method which lynch him or the method which doesn't lynch him? (just a question to think about)

I find the following question way better:
Would a townie random vote the method which he thinks will lynch townies?

To me, the answer is no.

As for assuming he's telling the truth about this. If he's lying, he only made it worse for him. By telling that he thought gun kills townies, and voting this one at the random voting stage, he made himself scummier. Why would he lie to make himself scummier? Scum normally don't do that. Yes, I used normally as scum don't act the same in each game. It's always possible that Santos, if he's scum, wanted this. But to try to get the wrong lynch method by making him look scummier? I at least wouldn't make that bet. He would survive this day, but next day he's gone. Besides, the other scum team knows that he's scum during the night and can easily kill him. If he was lying about the gun killing townies, he only made sure he will die if he's scum.

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Well, actually I think it can wait for a bit. We have to agree with the lynching method as it's really WIFOMy.
Besides, I would like to hear a bit from the replacement (and the future replacement from christiano dragon)

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If you don't think Santos is scum, then why is rope a bad choice?

Rope is blatantly a bad choice given SANTOS IS VOTING FOR IT NOW. -.-
This has already been discussed, and we've established why Gun is the weapon of choice.

Let's play a game. I'm thinking about a word, which is actually an abbrevation, consisting out of 5 letters starting with the W. What would it be?
Now that we're talking about it, BM who are the 'we' you are mentioning in that quote?

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I don't like all this attention regarding the neighbours. Santos acts scummy. oEJo has the strangest argument regarding his vote. But all the other neighbours are getting the attention of being a neighbour. I don't think from what I've seen this game that they deserve it. I think I need to check those players who are putting a lot of attention at the neighbours.

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Are you allowed to quote PM's?! Because i think you just made a mistake.

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Couldn't agree more with post 610. oEJo, you should have known that he was telling the truth if you had the same PM.

Vote oEJo

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oEJo should have known which allignment Santos was as he could check his role with Santos's role. If you then still ask which allignment he was, I have some trouble believing that you as 'Neighbor' have the same role.
What do you think of oEJo, BM?

And he's probably the only neighbor who tried to lynch his partner and tried to protect himself with the possible symmetry in the neighbors.

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So we can expect you to post your role PM if you're town if you're ever almost lynched, BM?

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And it's L-1

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Sorry. Please replace me. I am getting too busy to participate in all my games.

I hope this doesn't apply for this game as well.

Two things:
oEJo, why didn't you claim yesterday when you were about to get lynched?
And I'm not gonna vote oEJo yet. A quicklynch ruins a day as we have almost no discussion. We already know that oEJo is likely to be scum. Then why end this day quickly?

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Am I getting the blame that PP left?
This was my second game with him and I was probably the nicest to him in the first. He called me a *Beep* probably due to the third game.

CC, I was hoping that the other scum would kill oEJo for us. That's why I posted it. I was hoping that they would when someone gave a comment about it. But this plan was destroyed when someone gave a comment to my plan.

Need to do a reread as the new guy posts long posts and I need to look for some scummy things.

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Vote Detspeed

The win condition is the mafia die.

I didn't realize if I quoted the first post I could be killed.

This should say enough.

Vote Rope

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First of all, you say mafia. If you have read 'your role', you should have known that there are two scum groups. However, you say that the mafia has to die. You don't even name the names of the mafia.

Second, you say that you didn't know that quoting the first post would result in a kill. Why are you mentioning the first post, as a normal answer would be 'I didn't realize that if I quoted my role I could be killed.' Especially when you were the only one who mentioned that quoting the first post could get you killed.

If it's not too much trouble, can everyone please let Detspeed give his comments first before anyone else gives any comment about this?

As you can see Empking, you wre wrong about your assumption.
And see my gender

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Are you trying to shift attention? Because it's not working.

hp asked for the wincondition. You start talking about the first post of the mod. However, I would expect that you would talk about your PM. Besides, if you have read this game, you would have talked with hp about Santos and how he quoted his PM. How that lead to his modkill. But you only make a comment after Kairyuu told you about quoting and killing.
And no, he didn't want you to copy and quote your PM as he only asked for your wincondition.

And yes, it does matter. I have gotten tons of townie roles in other games. Most of them say: You win when the mafia is dead. However, that's the normal townie role. Which is what you said, while this townie role mentions two mafia groups. You didn't even name one, while someone asked you to. I'm bothered that you didn't take this question serious as it could have helped.

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Armlx, you were actually surprised? We're talking about Tar here.
Just look at the VC and you see that dead players are allowed to vote .

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None whatsover. Whatever gave you the idea that I might have forgotten to remove a modkilled player's name from the not voting list? (Besides my notorious issues with vote counts, that is...) - Tar

But I'm also surprised about the NK's. Why those instead of other players?

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I prefer to wait with a massclaim. This game started with 16 players. Most of the time, a 16-player game has 4 scum. That means that were not at lylo yet. I personally am in favor to do a massclaim when were at lylo.

But you know what I find funny? This:

I say the 2 confirmeds (CC and myself) decide any mass claim order

Combine that with an armlx quote from a different game:

To be honest, if Jebus had been a Neighbor not a Mason, its extremely likely I would have voted crywolf just based on role name.

Together, it doesn't give me a good feeling about armlx.

Yes, you and CC are most likely Neighbours. However, your allignment isn't confirmed. Armlx, could you explain to me why you're not going for a CC lynch?

Regarding post 1047:
2 scum teams of 2 make sense. Each team has a certain method to be killed with. This decreases the chances of each lynch that it's a scum lynch. The scum also has to decide at night what their target is, scum or town. If they guess wrong, their will be a NK less. But this also gives scum information. So I think that the set-up would be balanced with 2 scum teams of 2.
Also, armlx saw someone as well as likely scum member with STD. He was also wrong about that. So it's strange that you use this as argument for 2 scumteams of 3 players.

I agree with post 1048, but I first want to hear what Santos has to say about the hammer of Detspeed.

But it seems that most players prefer a massclaim now. If we're going to do one, I want Santos to go first and that we popcorn claim from that moment onwards.

Mod, could SocioPath be prodded? His last post was on the 12th of December

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I have no idea what you're saying in the first two paragraphs. I was just saying that I believe that there are 2 scum teams of two. If there would have been 2 scum temas of 3, we would have a disadvantage, not? I saw somewhere that you thought that there were 2 scum teams of 3. I just wanted to give my opinion why I would say that that's probably not the case.

Also, as you could have seen in my question, it was aimed at Armlx. Perhaps that means that I want an answer from Armlx. If you still would like to respond, please do so afterwards.

The clarification:

Scumgroups of two in a sixteen-player seem unlikely, though not quite impossible given scum perks here- and two different players strike me as strongly tied to STD/Det.

If I read this quote correctly, you're saying that two players seem strongly connected to STD/Detspeed. This seems an argument why you think that there are 2 scum teams of 3 players. However, Armlx thought that ZTR was connected with STD. In the end, it appeared that Armlx was wrong with his conclusion about ZTR. As you have read the game, I find it strange that you would use this as an argument of 2 scumteams of 3 as it went wrong during the game already.

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Armlx, that explains this day.
However, I rather want you to explain day 1.
In post 106 you say the following:

Meh, I've screwed it up enough its at least worth this.

CC and myself can night talk. Not masons, as neither of us has received confirmation of the other's alignment. The later is what CC is talking about, as he is assuming this lack of confirmation is more or less a confirmation of guilty. However, I have NEVER seen that or similar things happen without symmetry in a 2 scum group game, and even in a 1 scum group game I have only seen it happen 1 time out of many, the single exception being a game the mod was fucking with the players as much as possible (Sin City Mafia on MTGS). I've seen it and can expect it with 3 player groups (President Mafia comes to mind), but in a 2 player group I doubt it.

So, basically I'm pretty sure CC is town now that I've stopped being an idiot.

As for other, non-night talk abilities, I have no comment. CC or myself may or may not have those.

At this moment, your neighbour claim is the only one known. However, later that day, Santos I claims neighbour. On the 21st of Oct. oEJo, Santos I's neighbour partner, claims neighbour as well. His comment was the following:

Hi everyone. I apologise for being inactive, I was away in sydney and got bogged down with homework. I will be more active from now on, as the amount of homework has subsided.

Just a short post for now; I'm Santos' unconfirmed Mason (Neighbour)
He's scum, based on symmetry stuff.

Your reaction was this:

He's scum, based on symmetry stuff.

This. More lynch plz.

However, you, if you're town, shouldn't have known oEJo's allignment. If you actually believed this symmetry stuff, why would you go after Santos I, instead of CC as you know your allignment?
I'll wait for your answer.

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I'm a townie. The Fonz, you're up next.

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That's a lynch of a townie. I hope that SP is telling the truth. If so, The Fonz is scum. Also PF, next time when you make a case, it's for the best if you look at the time of other posts.
The second quote, in which you bolded other scum, oEJo was already lynched and we knew that he was scum. The first quote was me telling that you're not allowed to quote PM's as that's a genreal rule and the third quote was me saying that the two other neighbours (HP, STD, armlx and CC) didn't deserve any attention in my opinion.