Mini 659: The Neighborhood- Game over on Day 6

[Darox]

Claim, Darox.

I'm not voting Tony. I think the case against Darox is far better. Ythill sums up his day two play nicely; his day one play was nothing but opportunistic bandwagonning.

You're funny.

[crywolf20084]

I protected Rash N1 because he seemed to be pretty productive and I wanted to see him last to the next day.

Could you elaborate a little more on your decision here. Rash didn't stand out to me as super productive on D1 and I thought a few people called him out as being unproductive.

Further, could you explain your thoughts on Iamusername and your opinion of him during day 1.

Yes, Rash's posts were few and far between, but I found most of them helpful and to the point. I was putting a little bit of faith in him that he would show up in D2 and do a bit more than what he did in D1, which happened in the begining and it lulled like almost everybody else.

As for User, I didn't see the scum targeting him at all. Yeah, I didn't believe the claim, yes, but I thought Rash was a more useful to the town than User was based on the information I found useful.

[crywolf20084]

Claim, Darox.

I'm not voting Tony. I think the case against Darox is far better. Ythill sums up his day two play nicely; his day one play was nothing but opportunistic bandwagonning.

You're funny.

This isn't funny Darox. We are in the last moments of the day.

Oh and, I'm starting to think Jester with Darox and his stupid moves here.

[Darox]

Claim, Darox.

I'm not voting Tony. I think the case against Darox is far better. Ythill sums up his day two play nicely; his day one play was nothing but opportunistic bandwagonning.

You're funny.

This isn't funny Darox. We are in the last moments of the day.

Oh and, I'm starting to think Jester with Darox and his stupid moves here.

You're really funny.

Tony is still the best lynch.

[crywolf20084]

Claim, Darox.

I'm not voting Tony. I think the case against Darox is far better. Ythill sums up his day two play nicely; his day one play was nothing but opportunistic bandwagonning.

You're funny.

This isn't funny Darox. We are in the last moments of the day.

Oh and, I'm starting to think Jester with Darox and his stupid moves here.

You're really funny.

Tony is still the best lynch.

I don't think so anymore.

Vote: Darox

[Ythill]

Sigh. That makes me feel better. [/sarcasm]

@Darox: Not even going to try?

I'm home from work now and will be checking this game periodically until the day ends.

[M4yhem]

Tony is still the best lynch.

Wrong. He was never a good lynch to begin with. You, on the other hand, should have been lynched yesterday.

[fhqwhgads]

Damn,

I don't have as much time as I would have wished. I'm not going to lynch a claimed doc today. Lets see what tomorrow brings for crywolf. I'm going back to my original vote, one, which I see, has become all the more popular.

Unvote, Vote: Darox

That's L-1 if I'm not mistaken. Any inclination to claim now, Darox?

[bionicchop2]

That's L-1 if I'm not mistaken. Any inclination to claim now, Darox?

Wolf never unvoted from the other convenient wagon she hopped on in her haste to lynch anybody who wasn't her without actually making an effort to scum hunt. Oh the glories of claiming a power role and the immunity from being held to townie standards.

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(6 to lynch)

Darox (5):

M4yhem, TonyMontana, crywolf, fhqwhgads, Ythill

TonyMontana (2):

Darox, Oman

Ythill:

Rashiminos

crywolf:

bionic

Not voting (1):

pickemgenius

**This vote count has been corrected per Ythill a few posts down.**

[Oman]

Daroxclaim is not a good idea because daroxscum does not exist.

[Ythill]

Mod: I'm voting for Darox, not wolf.

[crywolf20084]

Daroxclaim is not a good idea because daroxscum does not exist.

This is probably too late, but what the hell do you mean? (With two hrs left to go.)

[Rashiminos]

That's L-1 if I'm not mistaken. Any inclination to claim now, Darox?

Wolf never unvoted from the other convenient wagon she hopped on in her haste to lynch anybody who wasn't her without actually making an effort to scum hunt. Oh the glories of claiming a power role and the immunity from being held to townie standards.

It's more of an injunction, really...

[gorckat]

Mod: I'm voting for Darox, not wolf.

Fixed.

[Rashiminos]

Also, do you really think the fact she claims doc should make no difference to my read on Crywolf?

It probably does.

I'm not sure what you mean about Lowell, clarify.

You made a comment about fhq's voting yesterday that seemed out of place.

***

I am trying to lynch who I think is scum instead of blindly believing a claim.

It's a matter of letting the scum decide whether the doc should be killed if she is doc. If she survives to the next day, that would be somewhat more convincing of scumminess. What's the point in having someone claim if the result won't affect the vote?

***

I think he's being unfairly stiched up.

I'll be looking for an explanation of this when you get around to it.

***

@Rash: Seriously dude, what's with the smokescreen? You don't seem scummy to me, and I thought your initial questions about my case on wolf were fair enough, but is this argument really helping the town one day from deadline?

The other options being proposed are the Darox/Tony disputes, and I'm not feeling that some of the leapers from the wolf wagon have last minute scumkilling in mind.

You think wolf is telling the truth?

Could be, worth one night.

You think I'm scummy for trying to figure out whether she's being honest or not?

You're not figuring anything out. At best your exercise is pointless. Most likely it is scummy.

I'm trying to wait at least one night before I decide to lynch a claimed power role. What are you and bionic up to?

Your tacit suggestion is that I'm trying to lynch a claimed power role. Note that 99% of my attacks against wolf came pre-claim. Note that it was me who asked her to claim while we still had time. Note that, after her claim, in #638, I posted my thoughts about the claim which were pretty reasonable, and I sought more information.

Your support of the neighborhood question was post-claim. The insinuation is that since townies are likely from the neighborhood, the scum are not. The likely result of people answering the question is that crywolf is singled out again, and demonized some more. If this exercise serves a purpose, IT IS TO LYNCH A CLAIMED POWER ROLE.

Now, for the last two days, I've been arguing about how a case against the claimed-doc is valid instead of looking for the best alternative lynch. Why? Because I've been defending against your attacks on that case. So if I'm endangering the claimed-doc then so are you.

The general case may be valid. I've said, repeatedly, that your case is not. There's a difference. I'm not endangering crywolf because I am neither voting her, nor am I asking everyone a question about his or her role.


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I'm currently reading my literature on Darox and Tony. Leaning on Tony at the moment, but I may change my mind.

[Darox]

So whats the case on me again?

That I vote for people and that I think the non existant case against me is a joke?

Or is it simply because I was mean to Tony and asked him hard questions?

[Oman]

Daroxclaim is not a good idea because daroxscum does not exist.

This is probably too late, but what the hell do you mean? (With two hrs left to go.)

Darox is does not look like scum to me, I admit I may be wrong, but he looks very very much like a townie stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Thus forcing him to claim is a bad idea.

[Rashiminos]

Hmm..., Darox is terse, but I'm simply baffled at how many people missed Darox's focus on Tony "defending the scumkill" in his questioning of Tony. Obviously, this is part of his case.

Tony has made a potent mix of evasiveness (as noticed by Darox and Oman), discrediting his attacker, and resorting to to ad hominem. His basic answer to Darox's questions was "Darox is obvscum."

I'll go back and find some choice quotes, but I know which one of them I'm going to vote since there's not enough momentum in the Ythill direction.

##Unvote: Ythill

##Vote: TonyMontana

[pickemgenius]

vote: TonyMontana

[Rashiminos]

Tony:

I still feel like his initial vote was a little suspect. The unvote @ L-1 + revote @ L-2 was null. However, what I find most suspicious afterwards was the way Tony stopped looking at other people. His posts after that vote were all defense or side-comment until the end-of-day IGMEO Oman. This while serious discussion about the Lowell lynch was taking place.

@Tony: Why did you stop hunting?

How do you know whether I'm "looking at other people"? I'm just not the instigator type..

Dodged the question.

Vote Count

(6 to lynch)

TonyMontana:

Darox

Not voting (9):

Elias, Rashiminos, Oman, TonyMontana, crywolf, bionic, Tommy, Ythill, fhqwhgads

There is something wrong with this picture.

I'll give you a hint.
There are exactly 9 things wrong with this picture.

Dude, if you got something to say, say it. Insinuating that you have some kind of special knowledge is not gonna make everyone follow you blindly, and it's a scummy trait, so you're not doing yourself any favours.

Darox is referring to the lack of votes. Tony throws suspicion on Darox for no good reason.

Tommy, Darox is explaining his vote on lowell, instead of explaining the more relevant, reasonless vote on me.

Darox was asked to explain his vote on Lowell by Tommy in post 443.

[Ythill]

The likely result of people answering the question is that crywolf is singled out again, and demonized some more. If this exercise serves a purpose, IT IS TO LYNCH A CLAIMED POWER ROLE.

If everyone else is from the Neighborhood, it singles her out because it suggests heavily that she is lying about her flavor. If this excercise serves a purpose, it is to lynch a fake-claiming mafioso. Putting things in big letters does not make them true.

How can you

know

that she is likely to be singled out and still believe she is telling the truth?

I'm simply baffled at how many people missed Darox's focus on Tony "defending the scumkill" in his questioning of Tony.

How do you know they missed it? I, for one, found it to be a reach. Lots of us were talking about the NK, stating some reasons why it could have been the choice isn't defending it.

[gorckat]

Vote Count

(6 to lynch)

Darox (5):

M4yhem, TonyMontana, crywolf, fhqwhgads, Ythill

TonyMontana (4):

Darox, Oman, Rashiminos, pickemgenius

crywolf:

bionic

Not voting (0):

[Ythill]

Dodged the question.

That's what I thought at first too, then he reiterated.

Darox is referring to the lack of votes. Tony throws suspicion on Darox for no good reason.

No good reason from your PoV maybe. It sounds to me like Tony didn't understand what he was talking about, and was pressuring him for more info.

Darox was asked to explain his vote on Lowell by Tommy in post 443.

Which doesn't invalidate anything you quoted by Tony.

[Rashiminos]

Can you please explain to me what prompted you to defend the mafia nightkill choice?

Uhh.. the discussion that was going on about the nightkill.

Merely states there was NK discussion. Does not mention why Tony is involved, or what Tony hopes to do as a result of the discussion.

For instance, Tony could have tried to provide justification that Darox wanted user dead, but Tony just says there was discussion.

Why are you continuing to defend the mafia nightkill choice? Why do you feel the need to justify the decision?

Again, we were discussing the nightkills, and I was providing viewpoints on possible motives. And what does "defending" NK even mean? Defending to who?

Begs these questions: Why is it productive to discuss motives for the NK? Who had the motive to commit the NK?

Defending the scum is obviously what Darox meant by "defending the nightkill."

How does your answer link up to what the question is asking? Why did you feel compelled to give a weaselly non-answer to Ythill's questioning?
(Incidentally, Ythill, why did you call him out for his slippery answers the first time but not the second time?)

It linked up, and Ythill understood the context, and I don't believe it went over your head either, so bring some real inquiries please.

Ad hominem and discrediting Darox.

Where did I insinuate that I had special knowledge? Why are you seemingly trying to pull a claim from me here?
(In case anyone couldn't figure it out, I was complaining that no one was voting period, not that no one was voting for Tony.)

You vote for me, saying nothing else than "This vote has reasons"
Several people go "whatever" and ask you to bring forth reasons if you got em.
You say nothing, then make the votecount comment, which could not have been interpreted as anything else than a wish for people to follow your lead.
After several requests for an explanation, you now attempt to construct some arguments against me, and is still not adressing the question.

Ockham's Razor: Vote count comment was to entice people to vote, not necessarily for Tony. Lack of votes = lull in game. Darox's arguments referred to pre-vote information.