White flag #824 game over

[Gamma Emerald]

hmm

now, i don't think we've actually played together before nor do i think you've been in a game i've modded, but i sort of get the feeling that you probably would never make that kind of comment as town. i think that if i were just trying to keep things super simple 1109 alone probably warrants your death.

Actually death kitty has said that before repeatedly, it's their literal D1 defence and they're not wrong either.

VOTE: NorthSideGal

Yeah that feels like NSG is trying to channel other play styles to hide behind them

[northsidegal]

wow, i wonder if my thought process is really so different from all of yours here.

the first point that struck me upon reading it was murdercat saying that i have a good scumgame. i think that one of the things that i'm probably most known for on site is that statement being basically the opposite of true. different people have different beliefs about the extent to which i am bad at scum: some think i intentionally flake or sandbag (i don't), some just think i'm incompetent, some have a ton of paranoia over the possibility that this is the game that i finally roll scum and turn things up. either way, basically nobody thinks i'm actually good at it. murdercat seemingly doesn't know this, and only comes to the opposite conclusion through a quick glance at a single stat at the very top of my wiki. this seems a little irresponsible to me?

now, i've been known to make some lazy reads in my time, but i think that this kind of goes a bit beyond that. it just seems kind of crazy to me to base a recommendation for who to eliminate off of such, to be honest, poorly researched information which ends up being completely incorrect. you guys really don't see anything super weird about saying "if you want info, elim nsg, she's great at scum"???


i'll also say that i wasn't a fan of the whole keep my alive because my d1s are bad statement (and i never am from anyone, really), although if murdercat says the same thing as town then i'll look past it.

[northsidegal]

Yeah that feels like NSG is trying to channel other play styles to hide behind them

elaborate?

[northsidegal]

like, i get that in a sense i'm kind of doing the same thing i said feels bad to pooky earlier, but does murdercat actually make that much of an irresponsible read as town? like i said, i don't think we've actually ever played together nor have i modded a game he's been in to my knowledge, but based on what i've seen from him (from, say, the open setups forum) and heard about him from other people, i really wouldn't think that he would do that as town. this is a genuine question here, i'm actually asking if my perception is just completely off or not.

[northsidegal]

maybe i'm such an old timer at this point that none of you guys think of me as someone with a bad scumgame??? i haven't rolled scum in a long time but i would figure that team mafia 2020 was such a horrible performance that it would still stick around

then again i guess that was like nearly two years ago now???

[Dwlee99]

revealing

reevaluating?

Oh, my phone keeps autocorrecting reevaling.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that feels like NSG is trying to channel other play styles to hide behind them

elaborate?

Between shading dwlee by saying RC would have pushed him and that, it feels like you’re going “I think others would push this so I will”. There’s two issues I have with that, it’s shifting the blame somewhat because you can claim you were just playing like someone else might have, and it makes any meta deviations harder to pin.

[Infinity 324]

like, i get that in a sense i'm kind of doing the same thing i said feels bad to pooky earlier, but does murdercat actually make that much of an irresponsible read as town? like i said, i don't think we've actually ever played together nor have i modded a game he's been in to my knowledge, but based on what i've seen from him (from, say, the open setups forum) and heard about him from other people, i really wouldn't think that he would do that as town. this is a genuine question here, i'm actually asking if my perception is just completely off or not.

i think this is more of a laziness tell than a scumtell. though, murder just going back to hiding behind his brick wall is infuriating and a little scummy. i would like to leave him alive for another day but jeez

UNVOTE: getting cold feet on dwlee

[Infinity 324]

it's like, yes he's pushing pooky and dwlee but the nuance is gone

[northsidegal]

Yeah that feels like NSG is trying to channel other play styles to hide behind them

elaborate?

Between shading dwlee by saying RC would have pushed him and that, it feels like you’re going “I think others would push this so I will”. There’s two issues I have with that, it’s shifting the blame somewhat because you can claim you were just playing like someone else might have, and it makes any meta deviations harder to pin.

what about 1120 seems to you like "i think others would push this so i will"? and what about anything from my play seems like "channeling other playstyles"? just off-hand mentioning something i think someone else would notice once doesn't to me seem to make it so that somehow any meta deviations would be more difficult to see in me.

shrug. i have no intentions of backtracking anything by claiming somehow that i was only going off of what i think that someone who isn't even in this game would have thought – i think that would be a pretty weak defense anyways, so i'm not entirely sure why you think it's some kind of plan i would undertake as scum.

[northsidegal]

like, i get that in a sense i'm kind of doing the same thing i said feels bad to pooky earlier, but does murdercat actually make that much of an irresponsible read as town? like i said, i don't think we've actually ever played together nor have i modded a game he's been in to my knowledge, but based on what i've seen from him (from, say, the open setups forum) and heard about him from other people, i really wouldn't think that he would do that as town. this is a genuine question here, i'm actually asking if my perception is just completely off or not.

i think this is more of a laziness tell than a scumtell. though, murder just going back to hiding behind his brick wall is infuriating and a little scummy. i would like to leave him alive for another day but jeez

sure, and like i said, i've been known to make a few lazy reads in my time as well, i just think that there's a certain point at which a lazy read crosses a threshold into being one that plausibly indicates someone might not actually care about the truth of the statement they're making. and this isn't even necessarily meant to convince you guys of that, moreso to just explain my thought process in posting 1120, because strangely to me it seems like people are coming at it from a totally different perspective than i am.

[GuiltyLion]

my train of thought is, if murdercat flips red, good we got one, if green we just yeet pooks tomorrow (yes i am chaining)

I disagree with this, I don't think a green!MC would imply a red!Pooky. I don't see how it would serve him as scum to push so hard for a singular D1 ML here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz thats literally my scum MO

push mis elims one after the other and never stop

[Gamma Emerald]

so i will"? and what about anything from my play seems like "channeling other playstyles"? just off-hand mentioning something i think someone else would notice once doesn't to me seem to make it so that somehow any meta deviations would be more difficult to see in me.

The fact you’re like “I’d probably push this if I were playing a different way” tells me that you’re not playing a natural game, you’re forcing things in some way. You could be town doing it perhaps, but rn it feels like a scum tactic

[Dwlee99]

I mean that's what scum! Pooky would want you to think

Pedit: horse mouth

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not sure why you'd ever yeet me D1 when I consistently do better/and get easier to read with time. If you want info and think dwlee is town yeet nsg who is actually good at scum

"I scumread Pooky/Dwlee but we can always kill NSG instead cuz she's good as scum"

rofl

r u guys even reading the nonsesne murdercat is spewing rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe i'm such an old timer at this point that none of you guys think of me as someone with a bad scumgame??? i haven't rolled scum in a long time but i would figure that team mafia 2020 was such a horrible performance that it would still stick around

then again i guess that was like nearly two years ago now???

i think your scum game is very readable tbh

[GuiltyLion]

I think the last sentence of 1120 is definitely a bit weird but I vibe with 1129, I remember NSG being a pretty easy read as town because she can't match her town WIM/transparency as scum. In fact I don't remember her ever beating me as scum but I am also not sure if I remember ever directly playing against her as scum? I'd have to go back and check but I do remember playing/reading a lot of games with both her and RC where the issue of her being a "lockscum if not obvtown" player came up frequently.

[northsidegal]

so i will"? and what about anything from my play seems like "channeling other playstyles"? just off-hand mentioning something i think someone else would notice once doesn't to me seem to make it so that somehow any meta deviations would be more difficult to see in me.

The fact you’re like “I’d probably push this if I were playing a different way” tells me that you’re not playing a natural game, you’re forcing things in some way. You could be town doing it perhaps, but rn it feels like a scum tactic

?

do you really think that saying "if i were just keeping things simple then X" indicates that i'm "forcing" my playstyle?

[Gamma Emerald]

a "lockscum if not obvtown" player

I’ve never really considered NSG one of these players for me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pretty sure she's like an 85 on the Bell Curve

[Gamma Emerald]

so i will"? and what about anything from my play seems like "channeling other playstyles"? just off-hand mentioning something i think someone else would notice once doesn't to me seem to make it so that somehow any meta deviations would be more difficult to see in me.

The fact you’re like “I’d probably push this if I were playing a different way” tells me that you’re not playing a natural game, you’re forcing things in some way. You could be town doing it perhaps, but rn it feels like a scum tactic

?

do you really think that saying "if i were just keeping things simple then X" indicates that i'm "forcing" my playstyle?

Yeah? You’re saying that you’re not doing X, that makes it seem like under standard circumstances you’d do X

[Gamma Emerald]

pretty sure she's like an 85 on the Bell Curve

Okay this is clever

[Datisi]

my train of thought is, if murdercat flips red, good we got one, if green we just yeet pooks tomorrow (yes i am chaining)

I disagree with this, I don't think a green!MC would imply a red!Pooky. I don't see how it would serve him as scum to push so hard for a singular D1 ML here

i don't think it's 100% but it's very very +scum and i would probably want to flip him like, in almost any universe with a green flip from mc because he's very capable of doing that as scum and also he's goon enough as town that i'm fine boping him there

i don't think mc (potentially incorrectly) thinking nsg is good at scum because looking at her winrates is like, a problem. but saying to yeet nsg solely because of it, then not actually backing that up with any reason (is nsg scummy? why does her flip give us info?) and in general doing about ~nothing makes me wanna yeet him more and more

[Datisi]

also he's goon enough as town that i'm fine boping him there

good*

d and n aren't even close on the keyboard lol, i wonder