White flag #824 game over

[Infinity 324]

CAN ANYONE WITH A STRAIGHT FACE TELL ME THAT MURDERCAT!TOWN HAS THAT ACTUAL THOUGHT IN HIS HEAD???

yes? why not?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok explain to me why it's scummy for me to have someone at scum-read and then change my mind after interacting with them to flip it to a townread 30 minutes later go.

[Dwlee99]

Nothing, that's the problem

you know bugspray's meta as town is to afk quit right?

You modded a game where they were my only townread to the point I faked a confirmation on them, and they were the only one that didn't think they were evil. And... They didn't play afk like they are now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will say that that is y-2 with a n_m in game, so chill with the votes for now.

murdercat definitely feels more solvey to me than he did in tttt. whether he's capable of scumplay like this i don't know, but i have other things that i wanna sort out right now. mainly bugspray.

well yea after getting called out for being completely absent from the thread he comes back and his scumread is an omgus on the person scumreading him for disappearing from the thread?

when he knows that he disappears from threads as scum and he's literally played with me in games where scum!him disappears from threads so why is he even surprised that town!me is scumreading him for disappearing from the thread?

[Dwlee99]

Goats seems desperate to stop the bugs wagon so maybe we are on the right track?

yeah one person thinking a wagon is bad means they're partners and the wagon is good actually

excellent logic dwlee

Yes

[Dwlee99]

Pooky, I think you are onto something so I'll do MC or bugs today and I think both just flip red so whatever. Feel like maybe goats is third and he was okay bussing MC but realizes that if bugs dies here it's over cause MC follows? Idk.

I will say, this post is just a little bit buck wild. 12 choose 3 = 220, etc.

This why the last three letters of my post exist

[Infinity 324]

ok explain to me why it's scummy for me to have someone at scum-read and then change my mind after interacting with them to flip it to a townread 30 minutes later go.

did i say i agreed with the logic?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Nothing, that's the problem

you know bugspray's meta as town is to afk quit right?

You modded a game where they were my only townread to the point I faked a confirmation on them, and they were the only one that didn't think they were evil. And... They didn't play afk like they are now.

ok ironically that game they were actually scum traitor that thought they were a town neighbor.

also I have more history with bugs where they just straight up disappear as town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok explain to me why it's scummy for me to have someone at scum-read and then change my mind after interacting with them to flip it to a townread 30 minutes later go.

did i say i agreed with the logic?

I imagine it would have to somehow make sense for him to think it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and @dwlee that game they had an incentive because they thought they were in a neighborhood full of baddies so they had something to like engage with

here there's nothing so they're just bored.

i'm not saying bugs has done something townie, I just don't agree with the meta that scum!bugs would be more likely than town!bugs to disappear from the thread and do nothing cuz they're "bored"

[Dwlee99]

I didn't make that meta argument

[Infinity 324]

well he thought implo was obvtown by that point, i agree with him, the bridge to you being scum for disagreeing is the part i don't agree with, but i see how murder could think that

[Gamma Emerald]

i dont even understand this bugspray wagon

what has bugspray even done in this game

Nothing, which is scummy in their case
Until I pushed him as his buddy in mini 2185, he was very ineffectual

[implosion]

pooky, if bugspray's town meta is to do nothing, do you consider bugspray trivially easy to read based just off of their activity level and nothing else? Or do they do nothing as either alignment?

[Gamma Emerald]

Shit I fucked up twice for getting it right once

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here's a brief history of me playing with bugspray:


Lovers Mafia

I'm a town lover with town bugspray. Bugspray tells me after I replace into the slot that they have no intention of talking to me because they scumread my slot

we play chess instead.

they post literally nothing in the thread.

their 19th post in the game is "wait is it day 2?"

the game was

already over

at that point.


Coalition Mafia

I'm mafia, bugspray is town

they post twice and replace out.


Micro 960

I'm town, bugspray is mafia.

They post 95 times in a week.

They try to lol-hammer me but miss by like a couple minutes or whatever.

They rep out.

Notice how much more engaged Bugs is when they're actually a baddie.


Micro 980

I didn't actually get to play with bugspray because I replaced in after they got nighkilled on N1.

They posted like 28 times in a week.

They're a VT.

Mini 2196

I didn't actually get to play with bugspray because I replaced in after they replaced out.

160 posts over 26 days - replaced out. This is probably the towniest bugspray looks in a game early game, they actually have takes and shit...



Like I get people use meta-tells like if somebody is unable to post/uninterested in posting/solving they're more likely to be scum, but this is applicable differently for different people.

Murdercat is like

really really good

at solving and he loves to do it and he's less interested in playing scum cuz his scum game is flat like a deflated balloon.

I don't even have a game with Bugspray where they roll scum, look at the PM and are like "i'm bored" and don't give a shit. if somebody does you should show me.

Again I'm not comparing this to town bugspray - I have seen town bugspray just not care at all so saying this bugspray doesn't care = this bugspray is scum doesn't really do anything for me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky, if bugspray's town meta is to do nothing, do you consider bugspray trivially easy to read based just off of their activity level and nothing else? Or do they do nothing as either alignment?

nah I don't find bugspray trivially easy to read.

I'm not sure what bugspray's alignment is this game.

I am concerned by the people going "oh bugspray is doing nothing so lets yeet bugspray"

because I am unaware of any bugspray meta that exists that says "scum!bugspray does nothing"

so I'm not sure why everyone else is like yeet yeet yeet.

if anything I'm kinda of susp they see an easy target and want to get this day over with.

[goats]

dwlee is pooky mafia too?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also here's what town!MC looks like


Mini 2170

look at the depth of his read on me.
look at how he thinks about every angle and his processing.

now look at his iso from this game.

doesn't even look like the same person.

[implosion]

hrmpvh.

I'm very interested in the juxtaposition of Infinity "this is very obviously MC's town meta" 324 and PookyThe "this is very obviously not MC's town meta" MagicalBear.

I want to proxy my read on him to other people but it's difficult when not all other players in the game agree on what his alignment is.

[implosion]

And I can see not really wanting to yeet bugspray. I just don't really feel any impetus to not vote there bc... they aren't doing anything. If their town meta is literally to not play the game then idk, a policy lim on d1 in this kind of setup isn't even that bad.

Alternatively the wagon could make them actually do anything at all.

[Dwlee99]

dwlee is pooky mafia too?

No that's you

[goats]

but pooky also said bugspray wasn't scum for much the same reasons i did

and you just said that I was scum for trying to derail the bugspray wagon

[Infinity 324]

i don't necessarily think this is obviously MC's town meta, but i have pretty low expectations for his scum game and he's exceeding them so far with his big post. i just disagree with pooky that his post doesn't have depth, i think it has quite a bit of depth, and i've also had the experience multiple times of murder barely posting anything as town until pressed. the question is what he comes up with after that point, and it was pretty satisfying to me.

[goats]

what's up this is my first time looking at the thread