Micro 1023 - The Coalition: TBotITGBSMoD [game over]

[Uncle Shelby]

HEAL: Iverson, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, GuiltyLion, Vulture

Tagging yourself in the coverart is encouraged, I am the saucer that supports the Heavenly Cheese from below

Dibs on fingerguns

[Uncle Shelby]

Iverson and Cheeks not aligned.

[Uncle Shelby]

Nice to play with you again Coalition

[Uncle Shelby]

VOTE: Vulture

[Uncle Shelby]

Ack there's scum in my pizza

[Uncle Shelby]

HURT: Vulture

Iverson what's up

[Uncle Shelby]

My break is up in 3 minutes and this game hasn't provided me with any serotonin yet, somebody call me scum or something

[Uncle Shelby]

You like the idea or that Vulture thought of it?

[Uncle Shelby]

Bah bahhh

[Uncle Shelby]

Is Vulture an alt?

edit @Iverson: Always good to schedule these things, they can be a big hurdle when it happens unexpectedly

[Uncle Shelby]

How can a mountainous game be breakable?

[Uncle Shelby]

Ok I'm off, more votes on the stinkbird pls and ty.

[Uncle Shelby]

Ahhh something's come up at home, and I won't be able to get back to this until much later tonight or possibly tomorrow. Sorry all

[Uncle Shelby]

@Shelby, how do you know me?

We've played several games together, each of us on several different alts.

[Uncle Shelby]

UNVOTE:

I was getting strong newbscum feels from Vulture but if they're an alt it changes things. Nothing really pinging me from that slot looking back, at least up to where I've read.

[Uncle Shelby]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.

a) where do you see me doing that?
b) Do you disagree with any of my townreads (Iverson, Cheek, Vulture) in my coalition? If not, this is a bizarrely harsh reaction to the fact that I'm scumreading you

Why does b matter to you?

I don't like the way it tries to subtly frame Koalition's suspicions as OMGUS.

[Uncle Shelby]

Koalition or Kobalition? Can't decide which I like better

[Uncle Shelby]

GuiltyLion continuing to look not great in this exchange.

this back and forth started because implosion townread Vulture for what sounded to you(Iverson) like fake reasons, yes? What's the benefit to scum!implosion to commit himself to a Vulture townread trajectory? At that point Shelby was calling for votes on Vulture, maybe it'd be possible to keep Vulture out of a coalition with another voice throwing dirt on him, why does scum!implosion instead put himself in the position to fabricate a reachy townread on a slot that wasn't consensus town?

This post doesn't leave room at all for the possibility of Vulture!scum. Is this intentional, GL? ie your read is just that confident?

[Uncle Shelby]

How am I threatened by your coalition when it's literally the same as mine?! Especially when you updated it to match mine after I pressured you to do so + the last one w/ Shelby not making sense?

How can you say a coalition with me+Vulture makes no sense, meanwhile you have Iverson+implosion in yours?

[Uncle Shelby]

The uncle shelby/Iverson coalitions are interesting in that they have each other in them plus pretty much the same constituents. Not sure what that means yet.
Iverson appears to be in everyone's wishlist with little effort.

~ C

I literally copy+pasted Iverson's coalition in my first post.

[Uncle Shelby]

That analysis seems fake. Not sure what to think about the hydra slot but I don't want it in any coalitions rn.

[Uncle Shelby]

HEAL: GuiltyLion

Spicy? Why is it naked though

[Uncle Shelby]

literally where?

they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"

I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability

Ok, let's start over. Let's say GL has never interacted with you, ignoring those posts and looking at what's left, why do you think he's scum?
~C

Uhhh what the hell?

[Uncle Shelby]

I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C

Can you elaborate? What was making you think they might be aligned?

[Uncle Shelby]

I wouldn't say frozen, but possibly scum based on meta and him being so awkwardly town. I do have a bad habit of scumreading people just because they're towny though haha. Not sure about Coalition, I mean maybe? Scum theatre more likely between vulture/implosion imho and they both fit scum meta of sitting back avoiding the ripples.

Do you often base your reads on site meta?

[Uncle Shelby]

for now the 1v1 isn't helping anything.

Coalition kinda bleeds town to me

[Uncle Shelby]

I quite do not buy GL hard scum right now. The thing koba pointed out (i'm just going to say koba bc it's annoying to say coalition in this game) in 187 is a bit bad but I think his play over the last page or so is pretty town and I generally like his takes on the game. I don't necessarily buy koba as scum (or at least I don't feel strongly that they are); I thought they were townish early on but not for any real substantive reason. I do lean toward Iverson having been town but I don't think they really proved themself to be town either, at least not in like the day they were here. I think Pooky could be scum certainly. I have like

an

idea how to read pooky but it's almost certainly wrong and I'd be curious if others have more of a general sense of how to read them, because I historically (in like 2 games i think) have not been able to see any real way to read them.

Gamma townreading me is probably a good sign in principle.

I don't think I've ever seen such a broadly fence-sitty post in my life.

[Uncle Shelby]

You managed to get solid townreads on both slots via their exchange, in a game that is winnable by finding town. But the 1v1 isn't helping anything?

[Uncle Shelby]

i read the first 4 pages and only managed to get a townread on imp

simply because i really hated post 27. it looked like a giant spotlight saying, "hey, there's scum in here". when you point at one person it's tough to have something stick but when you spotlight two players it's a lot easier to have criticism to be valid for at least one of them. based on the state of this page i'd say it had an effect.

HEAL: implosion
HEAL: Uncle Shelby
HEAL: Black Ranger

VOTE: CheekofGamma

Now this is interesting. To be clear, my understanding of calling two players "unaligned" is that they are not S-S, not necessarily that it is S-T. I believe this was Cheeky's intention as well iirc. Anyway, 11 posts later, I said the same thing about Iverson/Cheek, but I've ended up in your coalition, and Cheek ends up with a vote? I'm not sure I understand your process.

[Uncle Shelby]

Your approach towards me is loaded, leading and framed in such a way I doubt your motives come from town sir.
~C

How is that?

[Uncle Shelby]

If Art is town they certainly picked an unfortunate setup to play out their gimmick.

[Uncle Shelby]

would it be more unfortunate if they were scum?

For them!

[Uncle Shelby]

Thanks Ranger. Ftr I said Iverson and Cheeky were unaligned because Iverson didn't seem to realize Cheeky was part of a hydra when she egoposted.

[Uncle Shelby]

Uncle Shelby, what are your actual reads right now? You've implied suspicion toward GL and CoG and you've criticized posts from me and Black Ranger (without explicitly implying that they're scummy). As far as I can tell you've not called a single person town, which is something that in my opinion is a useful tool in this setup.

Getting to that! Sorry I'm getting a little distracted in the final leg of my catchup. As for not stating many townreads so far, that probably has more to do with my catchup style. Kobalition and Pookyslot are my 2 strongtowns, and Vulture feels pretty towny as well.

[Uncle Shelby]

also a read of two people as "unaligned" in the sense that they're not both scum is going to be correct >96% of the time by random chance so... it's entirely pointless before we have some flips, IMO.

Fair. My post was kind of a "note to self for later" because if the game eventually comes down to partner-hunting, I doubt that's something I'd pick up on on a re-read.

[Uncle Shelby]

Cheeky, could you answer 315 if you're still here?

[Uncle Shelby]

HURT: all

HEAL: Coalition, Pooky, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, Vulture

[Uncle Shelby]

VOTE: Cheeks

Another day, another dollar. Ciao

[Uncle Shelby]

Cheeky, you've ignored a pretty simple and direct question from me twice now.

[Uncle Shelby]

Cheeky, you've ignored a pretty simple and direct question from me twice now.

Yeah I'm not wasting my breath spoon feeding you pretty simple logic. I said what I meant in a non cryptic way. GL elaborated your approach pretty nicely this page.
~ C

their catchup posts/questions up to this point are more centered around finding 'gotcha!' contradictions than they demonstrate genuine solving, or interpreting people's posts with charitable intent

Where is this emotional response coming from My question is a pretty straightforward self-meta request.

Interesting that the only people who have a problem with my playstyle being "uncharitable" are my scumreads

[Uncle Shelby]

PookyTheMagicalBear [5]: GuiltyLion, PookyTheMagicalBear, Art, The Cheek of Gamma, Vulture

does any1 have a problem with my coalition

lets hear some criticism.

"im not on it" is not a valid complaint.

Is this a serious list?

[Uncle Shelby]

Spoiler: An exercise in futility

HEAL: Uncle Shelby
HEAL: Art

Why is GL town to you?

[Uncle Shelby]

Cheeky you should listen to your hydra partner who's played with me before, rather than you who has not.

"Caught for the wrong reasons" feels like a buzzword atp, but that's sort of how I'm feeling about this. Actually it's a little more specific than that, because implosion could be intentionally masking his scum meta in this game, which is a pointless way of hiding as scum if you're playing at an unfamiliar table. Having a hard time deciding between this and the Lion for my second spot.

[Uncle Shelby]

The second spot on my "Do Not Coalesce" list, that is.

[Uncle Shelby]

But hey, there's room for all 3 there!

[Uncle Shelby]

CoG: town unless someone has some good reason to meta-read Cheeky as scum.

What are your in-game reasons for reading them as town?

Not much I can respond to in your me-blurb, but I've noted your issues with my playstyle right here next to the others'.

[Uncle Shelby]

Pooky is always serious.

[Uncle Shelby]

Points to Vulture for helping Kobalition catch on as the this-setup-friendly alternative spelling

[Uncle Shelby]

Alright after today I should be out of Chicken and Ketchup mode and ready to dive a little deeper with some interactions and reads.

[Uncle Shelby]

My partner had a death in her family, so I wasn't able to play yesterday like I'd hoped. I should be available tomorrow, it's the long weekend.

[Uncle Shelby]

Well I definitely did not pull my weight here, haha. Sorry town, but well played!

For the record, I only had Ranger in my coalition to fill out the 5. But I'm not sure I would have come around to putting the hydra in my coalition.

[Uncle Shelby]

Koba had me fooled though, if not about their identity. Good game. Thank you Datisi and George! Always a pleasure.