Micro 1023 - The Coalition: TBotITGBSMoD [game over]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.06

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-08-13 20:45:00).

coalition

PookyTheMagicalBear [5]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, GuiltyLion, The Cheek of Gamma
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GuiltyLion [5]:

GuiltyLion, Vulture, PookyTheMagicalBear, The Cheek of Gamma, implosion
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Uncle Shelby [4]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, GuiltyLion
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The Cheek of Gamma [4]:

The Cheek of Gamma, PookyTheMagicalBear, implosion, GuiltyLion
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The Coalition [3]:

The Coalition, PookyTheMagicalBear, implosion
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Black Ranger [3]:

implosion, Uncle Shelby, Black Ranger
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Vulture [0]:

implosion [0]:

Art [0]:

yeet

The Coalition [2]:

GuiltyLion, The Cheek of Gamma

Vulture [1]:

Uncle Shelby

PookyTheMagicalBear [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

The Cheek of Gamma [1]:

Black Ranger

not voting [4]:

implosion, Vulture, Art, The Coalition

mod notes

~ PookyTheMagicalBear is the new Iverson
~ pictures of votes are not counted
~ 294 is not counted due to Pooky's coalition already being full
~ my vote counter does not work for heal votes, which means i'm counting everything by hand. please yell at me if i miss any votes.

flavour

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[unheal]all[/unheal]
HEAL: GLion, Pooky, Art, CheekyGamma, Vulture

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

HURT: all


HEAL: GLion, Pooky, Art, CheekyGamma, Vulture

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's the same level of reasoming that got us putting scoobs on the coalition last game

minor details

[Uncle Shelby]

@Shelby, how do you know me?

We've played several games together, each of us on several different alts.

[Uncle Shelby]

UNVOTE:

I was getting strong newbscum feels from Vulture but if they're an alt it changes things. Nothing really pinging me from that slot looking back, at least up to where I've read.

[Uncle Shelby]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.

a) where do you see me doing that?
b) Do you disagree with any of my townreads (Iverson, Cheek, Vulture) in my coalition? If not, this is a bizarrely harsh reaction to the fact that I'm scumreading you

Why does b matter to you?

I don't like the way it tries to subtly frame Koalition's suspicions as OMGUS.

[Uncle Shelby]

Koalition or Kobalition? Can't decide which I like better

[Uncle Shelby]

GuiltyLion continuing to look not great in this exchange.

this back and forth started because implosion townread Vulture for what sounded to you(Iverson) like fake reasons, yes? What's the benefit to scum!implosion to commit himself to a Vulture townread trajectory? At that point Shelby was calling for votes on Vulture, maybe it'd be possible to keep Vulture out of a coalition with another voice throwing dirt on him, why does scum!implosion instead put himself in the position to fabricate a reachy townread on a slot that wasn't consensus town?

This post doesn't leave room at all for the possibility of Vulture!scum. Is this intentional, GL? ie your read is just that confident?

[Uncle Shelby]

How am I threatened by your coalition when it's literally the same as mine?! Especially when you updated it to match mine after I pressured you to do so + the last one w/ Shelby not making sense?

How can you say a coalition with me+Vulture makes no sense, meanwhile you have Iverson+implosion in yours?

[Uncle Shelby]

The uncle shelby/Iverson coalitions are interesting in that they have each other in them plus pretty much the same constituents. Not sure what that means yet.
Iverson appears to be in everyone's wishlist with little effort.

~ C

I literally copy+pasted Iverson's coalition in my first post.

[Uncle Shelby]

That analysis seems fake. Not sure what to think about the hydra slot but I don't want it in any coalitions rn.

[Uncle Shelby]

HEAL: GuiltyLion

Spicy? Why is it naked though

[Uncle Shelby]

literally where?

they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"

I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability

Ok, let's start over. Let's say GL has never interacted with you, ignoring those posts and looking at what's left, why do you think he's scum?
~C

Uhhh what the hell?

[Uncle Shelby]

I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C

Can you elaborate? What was making you think they might be aligned?

[Uncle Shelby]

I wouldn't say frozen, but possibly scum based on meta and him being so awkwardly town. I do have a bad habit of scumreading people just because they're towny though haha. Not sure about Coalition, I mean maybe? Scum theatre more likely between vulture/implosion imho and they both fit scum meta of sitting back avoiding the ripples.

Do you often base your reads on site meta?

[Uncle Shelby]

for now the 1v1 isn't helping anything.

Coalition kinda bleeds town to me

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C

Can you elaborate? What was making you think they might be aligned?

The drama on that page could have been scum theater. Since I'm scum hunting instead of town hunting I find it useful to analyze every possible team through the game and rule out unlikely teams.
~C

[Uncle Shelby]

I quite do not buy GL hard scum right now. The thing koba pointed out (i'm just going to say koba bc it's annoying to say coalition in this game) in 187 is a bit bad but I think his play over the last page or so is pretty town and I generally like his takes on the game. I don't necessarily buy koba as scum (or at least I don't feel strongly that they are); I thought they were townish early on but not for any real substantive reason. I do lean toward Iverson having been town but I don't think they really proved themself to be town either, at least not in like the day they were here. I think Pooky could be scum certainly. I have like

an

idea how to read pooky but it's almost certainly wrong and I'd be curious if others have more of a general sense of how to read them, because I historically (in like 2 games i think) have not been able to see any real way to read them.

Gamma townreading me is probably a good sign in principle.

I don't think I've ever seen such a broadly fence-sitty post in my life.

[The Cheek of Gamma]

for now the 1v1 isn't helping anything.

Coalition kinda bleeds town to me

Do you have a specific question? I can't read minds unfortunately.
~C

[Uncle Shelby]

You managed to get solid townreads on both slots via their exchange, in a game that is winnable by finding town. But the 1v1 isn't helping anything?

[The Cheek of Gamma]

I wouldn't say frozen, but possibly scum based on meta and him being so awkwardly town. I do have a bad habit of scumreading people just because they're towny though haha. Not sure about Coalition, I mean maybe? Scum theatre more likely between vulture/implosion imho and they both fit scum meta of sitting back avoiding the ripples.

Do you often base your reads on site meta?

It's considered as a factor, not the basis of my read. This is an uncharitable assessment.
~ C

[The Cheek of Gamma]

You managed to get solid townreads on both slots via their exchange, in a game that is winnable by finding town. But the 1v1 isn't helping anything?

Continuing a thunderdome between the two wasn't going to help.

Your approach towards me is loaded, leading and framed in such a way I doubt your motives come from town sir.
~C

[Uncle Shelby]

i read the first 4 pages and only managed to get a townread on imp

simply because i really hated post 27. it looked like a giant spotlight saying, "hey, there's scum in here". when you point at one person it's tough to have something stick but when you spotlight two players it's a lot easier to have criticism to be valid for at least one of them. based on the state of this page i'd say it had an effect.

HEAL: implosion
HEAL: Uncle Shelby
HEAL: Black Ranger

VOTE: CheekofGamma

Now this is interesting. To be clear, my understanding of calling two players "unaligned" is that they are not S-S, not necessarily that it is S-T. I believe this was Cheeky's intention as well iirc. Anyway, 11 posts later, I said the same thing about Iverson/Cheek, but I've ended up in your coalition, and Cheek ends up with a vote? I'm not sure I understand your process.

[Uncle Shelby]

Your approach towards me is loaded, leading and framed in such a way I doubt your motives come from town sir.
~C

How is that?