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I believe unwnd's narration of is thought process still and think there's a coherency there he doesn't possess as scum. something_smart's point about his snapvote did give me pause but I feel like scum are more likely to be careful with their progressions in that sort of instance and that recklessness more likely comes from town. But I'm just guessing.
Dunn can weigh in if he likes. Like I said I think he probably reads unwnd pretty reliably. I'm assuming T3's radio silence is a scumclaim, I'm not going to selfvote here just now for the fringe scenario where T3 hammers me to cut off input from Dunn. I think the early townread on unwnd from T3 is significantly less likely to be one on a teammate.
For what it's worth unwnd didn't feel distancing was necessary in the first iteration of this, I would keep that in mind when looking at his interactions.-
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In a vacuum, maybe. But I think the way he played it is pretty damning, because as soon as the keep was finalized the townread basically dropped off the face of the earth.In post 1078, catboi wrote:I think the early townread on unwnd from T3 is significantly less likely to be one on a teammate.
He posted 382, basically putting T3 as hard town. Then, right before the end of D1, he starts setting up some doubt around it (in 565 and 599 he asserts that T3 is either scum or stubborn town, not really giving a judgement on which is more likely). 814 he insults T3, and then the next mention is 884 where he calls T3 scum.
Distancing is generally encouraged in this setup because the locations can't directly affect each other, so you can pay them lip service and not have to actually worry about contributing to killing them. But, it benefits scum to make sure they get set in locations before distancing, so they don't have to do something suboptimal just to have their actions make sense with their reads. It makes total sense to say that unwnd townread T3 early to get him in the keep, and then tried to gradually reverse that by stirring up paranoia about him being scum faking stubborn town. But there's not any indication of him using actual evidence or reasoning to reverse the read.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That's technically correct, I'm just not sure either of them plays it that way. It contrasts sharply with T3's TMI-ey attack on implosion very early. But I could be overthinking it.In post 1079, Something_Smart wrote:Distancing is generally encouraged in this setup because the locations can't directly affect each other, so you can pay them lip service and not have to actually worry about contributing to killing them. But, it benefits scum to make sure they get set in locations before distancing, so they don't have to do something suboptimal just to have their actions make sense with their reads. It makes total sense to say that unwnd townread T3 early to get him in the keep, and then tried to gradually reverse that by stirring up paranoia about him being scum faking stubborn town. But there's not any indication of him using actual evidence or reasoning to reverse the read.-
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In post 1054, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also just feel like unwnd got quiet after parking his vote on S_S.
I'm here to play devil's advocate though, I like to put the possibilities out there and weigh them
I don't think Unwnd going quiet is an indicator that they're scumIn post 1055, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Maybe catboi and Dunnstral could weigh in-
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Well, that doesn't have anything to do with what T3 would do. T3 is a known loose cannon as scum, but from what I recall unwnd played in a pretty strategic way last time in this setup.
I can't speak to his meta in general, but he does seem to be calculating enough that he would think to do something like that.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I agree with this, for what it's worth. He wasn't quiet at all in D2 of the previous game, and it seemed like his quietness now was indicative of laziness and confidence, rather than risk of spewing or giving himself away or anything.In post 1081, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think Unwnd going quiet is an indicator that they're scumIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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unwnd[1] Something_Smart:
Something_Smart[1] unwnd:
PenguinPower[1] Not Voting:
[2] catboi:catboi, Dunnstral<<< HAMMER
T3[1] Not Voting:
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[2] Something_Smart:unwnd, PenguinPower<<< HAMMER
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