Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

[sekinj]

@charter: why would you jsut want a yes or no and no explanation? That just seems like you are fishing to take someone out of context.

[charter]

@charter: why would you jsut want a yes or no and no explanation? That just seems like you are fishing to take someone out of context.

It was mostly because I'm just trying to gauge the town's (as a whole) opinion. I didn't want someone to list a bunch of exceptions or reasoning and make it all complicated. I'm not looking for the reason behind anyone's answer, and I'm not going to try and change you answer.

[SleepyPanda]

@charter: why would you jsut want a yes or no and no explanation? That just seems like you are fishing to take someone out of context.

It was mostly because I'm just trying to gauge the town's (as a whole) opinion. I didn't want someone to list a bunch of exceptions or reasoning and make it all complicated. I'm not looking for the reason behind anyone's answer, and I'm not going to try and change you answer.

In other words, useless.

How about you just list reasons as to why you think people are scum. That doesn't even require you to read through all the pages. You should know why you think people are scum, and if that's so, it shouldn't be hard at all.

Are you going to do this? If you are town as you claim, why not do this to convince everyone else? I see no reason for you not to, even if you think I'm scum.

[armlx]

@charter: why would you jsut want a yes or no and no explanation? That just seems like you are fishing to take someone out of context.

This is probably true.

I'm more interested in the answer to see who agrees with charter here.

[sekinj]

@charter: why would you jsut want a yes or no and no explanation? That just seems like you are fishing to take someone out of context.

It was mostly because I'm just trying to gauge the town's (as a whole) opinion. I didn't want someone to list a bunch of exceptions or reasoning and make it all complicated. I'm not looking for the reason behind anyone's answer, and I'm not going to try and change you answer.

Well, it's just impossible for me to give a simple yes or no. I think BM is the scummiest followed by charter/ceph. If we get BM lynched today, and depending on how they confirm, I would continue discussion the next day. If ceph/charter are lynched I would probably be less likely to change my mind about BM being scum simply because he is my current #1. But there is no auto-lynch at all in my mind for tomorrow. I have people I am suspicious of and that suspicion will definitly carry over. The only way I would vote again tomorrow without more discussion is if the day ended in a modkill like last time.

third on my list is probably Darox for his recent flip. Where did that come from? @darox - can you show us posts or even paraphrased daytalk where you discussed your change of heart over any period of time?

[Cephrir]

I imagine he also may not want reasoning because once someone gives what appears to be the perfect answer, everyone else would just agree with them.

[Crazy]

Posting to avoid prod. I'm overloaded, and this game is just mid-priority, as I have 2 other games with deadlines sooner than this one.

I will, as always, advocate either a charter or BM lynch.

[Knight of Cydonia]

As above. Although I'll be sticking around to ensure it, on behalf of lover-boy.

[WaltWishbone]

I've read enough, for all the reasons I have listed previosly, and he just wont let go of this OMGUS bs.

vote charter

[Darox]

1. What's BM's scuminess got to do with my own?

2. Doesn't his and CWR's refusal to post DT count for anything?

3. What makes you think the frustration in charter's tone can only come from townies?

4. In your daytalk, did you explain your reasoning more in detail and convinced Darox to follow your lead?
5. Why am I scum?
6. Why is armlx scum?
7. Why do you keep not explaining yourself?

Bolding mine.

Why do you like asking loaded questions?

What's loaded about them? Words "refusal" and "frustration" are clearly warranted here, I don't think even DGB would argue about that.

charter, have you ever even made a case against armlx and/or myself that isn't just repeating that we're scum ad-infinitum? Other than vote you, what do you actually think we've done that's scummy?

You are taking something DGB didn't say and asking her why she is saying it.

This is known as a

bad thing.

[armlx]

Darox, which specific thing wasn't said?

[Darox]

2. Doesn't his and CWR's refusal to post DT count for anything?
3. What makes you think the frustration in charter's tone can only come from townies?

These two. The ones I had bolded.

It's like if DGB had said 'I love chocolate ice cream' and RR asked 'Why do you hate vanilla?'

[WaltWishbone]

1. What's BM's scuminess got to do with my own?

2. Doesn't his and CWR's refusal to post DT count for anything?

3. What makes you think the frustration in charter's tone can only come from townies?

4. In your daytalk, did you explain your reasoning more in detail and convinced Darox to follow your lead?
5. Why am I scum?
6. Why is armlx scum?
7. Why do you keep not explaining yourself?

Bolding mine.

Why do you like asking loaded questions?

What's loaded about them? Words "refusal" and "frustration" are clearly warranted here, I don't think even DGB would argue about that.

charter, have you ever even made a case against armlx and/or myself that isn't just repeating that we're scum ad-infinitum? Other than vote you, what do you actually think we've done that's scummy?

You are taking something DGB didn't say and asking her why she is saying it.

This is known as a

bad thing.

Gee Darox read much?

DGB, you say you strongly think both charter and BM are town. If I were to think the two almost automatic lynch candidates were wrongly accused, I'd make a lot more of an effort to show why exactly.

It's hard to see BM as scummy when you are so scummy yourself, RR. I am not as convinced of BM's towniness as I am of charter's. As for charter. It's a matter of tone. I read his reaction as town. Totally town.

She says it right here.

[Darox]

No, she says she finds Charters reaction town.
She doesn't say she thinks this reaction can only ever come from townies.

Nice try though.

[armlx]

She doesn't say she thinks this reaction can only ever come from townies.

What about his reaction would imply he is town then?

[WaltWishbone]

No, she says she finds Charters reaction town.
She doesn't say she thinks this reaction can only ever come from townies.

Nice try though.

But that is the question?

How is she so sure that it only means he is town?

How can you not understand that question?

[WaltWishbone]

She doesn't say she thinks this reaction can only ever come from townies.

What about his reaction would imply he is town then?

this

[destructor]

.::] Vote Count [::.

*

charter (5)

- armlx, SleepyPanda, Raging Rabbit, Crazy, WaltWishbone

armlx (1)

- charter

Crazy (1)

- ThAdmiral

Battle Mage (4)

- neko2086, Cephrir, sekinj, Knight of Cydonia

Not Voting (5) - starrie, Battle Mage, DarlaBlueEyes, ClockworkRuse, Darox

Nine

votes to lynch.

The

deadline

is 7 days away.

[Raging Rabbit]

What they said. Also her saying she thinks BM is town despite his constant refusal to post daytalk warrants asking about it.

[armlx]

I think this is a case of DGB being DGB. Most of those opinions can be seen in her play as TS.

[DrippingGoofball]

Please note that I will have NO INTERNET ACCESS between Oct 5-11...

[sekinj]

.. So... Are we at a standstill until deadline?

[armlx]

Pretty much....

[armlx]

EBWODP: Are we actually going to wait for BM/CWR replacement to show up?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think we should at least wait for the replacements.
I'm happy to go with the charter lynch anyway, but I want to look very long and hard at BM/CWR replacement tomorrow.

unvote; Vote charter