Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

NEVER MIND the fact that unwnd was open about wanting to go to the gate with you from the moment he jumped there, I've been largely okay with it for most of this time, SUDDENLY NOW it's a big deal???, Yeah, not buying it! ✾(〜 ☌ω☌)〜✾

I mean i've been wanting to go there for quite a while now, but ok

@ssbm u ok to end the phase?

Not quite, but soon, curious about catboi

[PenguinPower]

Not sure what you’re hoping to gain further in this phase.

[skitter30]

I'm being open that I think it could have been a bluff and she's looking to justify not doing it now.

It is possible I could be being conspiratorial and stupid right now! But that was how I reacted to those posts.

Why would i possibly be bluffing abt such a thing

I've been saying literally all game that while i slightly prefer gate i have no very strong preference. I will happily go to either

You're both overstating my preference for gate and also saying that i dont want to go there at the same time, which seems silly to me. Like saying that i only *said* that i want to go there for Reasons (tm) while saying i really dont

And ssbm pointed out that with who's left it isnt super likely we'll get 2-1 at wall, but if unwnd is scum i can see implosion scum in which case putting him there is helpful imo

[skitter30]

Now I'm paranoid of skitter :\

T3 and ssbm both say they want me at gate and she says she's probably okay with that and then i assume 592 is her saying she's going to go to gate anyway, immediately after that?? unless i'm misreading 592

Implo, no offense, but this seems incredibly hollow

[PenguinPower]

I've been saying literally all game that while i slightly prefer gate i have no very strong preference.

?

I would probably prefer gate if all else is equal but people tend to have strong feeling abt where to put me

I would prefer gate simply because i thinj doing so will make our chances of having 2-1 scum-town at wall that much higher

I think you're town and i know that i'm town so going to wall i think will dilute that chance from happening some more

Pedit i would have preferred that over dunn joining tbh

Well its a paranoid thought but i dont think *too* likely
I'll hold off but yeah i would want gate and i'm incredibly suspicious of both unwnd and catboi

Goodbye to my hero solve. I've clearly gone wrong somewhere but I don't even know where to start.

How

And i would prefer me at gate

[T3]

This is the exact kind of wall scumwnd makes.

[skitter30]

Everything going on right now feels like pre-phase. I don't townread Skitter but I can't say I scumread her. I will say that her coming conclusions on Me/Catboi is a bit head tilting and her usage of how do I put this? Scummy now ask questions later. She seems really jumpy despite there being a lot of unknown and I'm not really a fan of that approach. Is it confidence, and if so..where is it coming from? I can't read Skitter's tone as I previously said and she hasn't dropped enough inner monologue for me to get a good idea of what she's thinking. The constant 'this is really scummy' feels very slighted and I'm not sure what point she's trying to prove. Calling something scummy does not make it actually scummy, it usually requires a bit more.

i'm not sure how one can be 'jumpy' and 'confident' at the same time
Also do u see how from an outsider pov you/catboi might make sense?
Also if u want me to elaborate on anything you can kinda just ask

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Ssbm what else are u looking for this phase? I kinda feel like we've reached the point where we're not gonna ger much else out of it

[T3]

I want implosion at gate. Just hammer please I guess?

unwnd seems to be a consensus scumread and implosion is a scumread.

[unwnd]

This is the exact kind of wall scumwnd makes.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[skitter30]

it's entirely based on forcing scum to unoptimal places for them, that's the last chance we have for that
playwise i don't have a very strong preference either way; i'm not sure it's a given i'd play better than you at wall

@penguin

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not sure what you’re hoping to gain further in this phase.

I want to know what catboi thinks scum!skitter has to gain by posturing to hammer gate but not actually hammering it.

If it's something boring like Kyouko/skitter/unwnd is the scumteam then it doesnt really matter, but I would expect it to have something to do with hypothetical switches, and knowing what he's thinking helps sort him.

I also want to make sure there is a real thought process there because as skitter said, it looks like goading. Scum!catboi might be satisfied with events now that S_S has landed at Wall. If that's the case he may be ready to end now and be trying to bait a hammer out. So I need to hear real reasoning behind catboi's accusation, otherwise it is just scum baiting a hammer to this phase

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If you hammer now we dont get the chance to hear what catboi was thinking

[skitter30]

And i've recently realized that unwnd/implosion makes sense so sending implosion to gate could also accomplish 2-1 scum and force a swap in that universe (i.e. just moving the 2-1 from wall to gate) so i'm fine with that happening too

Pedit i mean i'd love to hear what catboi is thinking

And agreed unwnd's wall is scummy

[unwnd]

You did it again Skitter

Why is it scummy? Put words to that...

[T3]

skitter is town I think for agreeing with me and also just vibes tbh

[PenguinPower]

it's entirely based on forcing scum to unoptimal places for them, that's the last chance we have for that
playwise i don't have a very strong preference either way; i'm not sure it's a given i'd play better than you at wall

@penguin

[PenguinPower]

Eh - catboi is scum so sure - let’s wait for a crafted message.

[T3]

Ifcatboi doesn't get swapped then we force catboi to vote me first, if he hesitates then we just get whoever else it is to vote me. Unless I get swapped. In that case idk

[catboi]

Honestly, T3 attempting to meta-read unwnd based solely off estimated post length is kind of endearing.

[skitter30]

@unwnd r.e. your post:

literally all of it is indecisive and hedge-y; you have almost no firm reads

it's a lot of words that boils down to uncommited 'idk's' on a whole bunch of people:

- catboi basically boils down to 'probably town but possibly preemptive idk his scumrange'
- skitter boils down to a whole lot of (sometimes contradictory) words saying you're not sure
- penguin/dunn lumped together as being 'enigmatic' with a gut-town on dunn
- implo/ss also lumped together as 'i don't have much to say about them'

this is a whole lot of words saying you don't have reads on a whole lot of people

and even the two townreads you try to undermine the positioning of:
- ssbm: call her naive and question her ability/right to be a town leader, and question (and honestly i feel that even if her thought process isn't necessarily optimal she is by far the towniest person in the thread)
- t3: calls the fact that he's townie and townreads ssbm an 'echo chamber'

I read their persistence right now as towny just for how naive it is. Like they aren't just hiding an agenda and letting their thoughts dilute in-thread. The behavior from Kyouko is so self-assured but it hasn't been earned in my opinion. This is not to offend her, but it's like a quasi-town leader. Who exactly made Kyouko leader and why is everyone just letting it happen?

[implosion]

w/e.

VOTE: Gate

[PenguinPower]

Uh….no. That was so bad.

[Something_Smart]

Just vote Wall, PP. I think technically one more vote is required to end it.

[skitter30]

well then
i guess we'll see if unwnd/implo is a thing

VOTE: wall

[PenguinPower]

Uh…no. Implosion can explain further.