Mini 673 - Game Over!

[scotmany12]

Try again. This does not explain why you think I am scum.

Yes, it does. You were being deliberately dense, and apparently you're keeping up the act.

I'm not being dense at all. You go from say that the pressure on me has caused me to post more, and then when I ask you how that makes me scum, you reply with saying that the argument is less than stellar. That means absolutely nothing. How exactly does this make me dense?

[Simenon]

Try again. This does not explain why you think I am scum.

Yes, it does. You were being deliberately dense, and apparently you're keeping up the act.

I'm not being dense at all. You go from say that the pressure on me has caused me to post more, and then when I ask you how that makes me scum, you reply with saying that the argument is less than stellar. That means absolutely nothing. How exactly does this make me dense?

A bad argument doesn't actually tell us anything about alignment. It begins to, though, when the poor argument is made on purpose. I don't think we would be having this argument if you were town, so that leaves you being a scum trying to have the argument.

[stark]

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

[Simenon]

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

[Tomato]

Basically, here's what I wanted to comment on after rereading everything:

I'm here.
Well we can't use Sim since both Simenom and me starts with Sim.

This game has a slow start, and as for the posting I haven't contributed alot..
So far the only scummy thing is fuzzys wagon, but it can be as he says a joke.


That being said I'm still going to

unvote: vote fuzzy

I don't like how he's explaining how his vote may be wrong and why. It's being both on the wagon and off at the same time.

pickemgenius - Your explanation on the fuzzy vote is lacking, and outside of that you said that it's still the best wagon without explaining why (is it still just that one post?). In addition, no explanations on why the hasdgfas wagon is the second best.

My read on fuzzy is fuzzy.

Flameaxe - You still like the scot vote? If so, why?

FaerieLord - Post content. Now. Etc. You've said nothing at all. That's just unacceptable.

Haterade - All of your opinions on hasdgfas are basically copying what someone else already said about him. Just seems like leeching to me.

Of the scot/fuzzy/hasdgfas wagons, I prefer the hasdgfas wagon the most - But I'm pretty much unsure about it. Logically, it seems like the best wagon for today, but my gut is telling me to stay off it. Take of that what you will.

[Tomato]

Er, forgot to add why on hasdgfas: Basically, a lot of his posts seems like reaching to me, and some are just completely useful. I don't really have any new insights here though.

[fuzzylightning]

I apologize for going ghost on this thread. I meant to post on Friday that I was going to be V/LA on Saturday, and then my computer decided to crash on me. Right now I am posting from my roommate's computer while he is at class, and I don't know when I will have my computer back. So I will only have limited access for the forseeable future, but I will try to post as often as I can.

Anyway, to report my findings on what has happened. I will admit my wagon was started because I committed a suspicious act, as I have admitted freely before, but aside from stark, no one has really come up with anything against me, other than my joke wagon. Cow's wagon seemed to start somewhat randomly and I don't necessarily feel in my gut that it is right at this point. I would like to see Faerie post some more to see what she has to say, so my vote will stay there for now. I am liking the scot wagon best right now, because he really isn't doing a good job at proving why he is town. So I will put an

FoS scot

for now which will be upgraded to a vote either closer to the deadline or when Faerie puts up some content.

[Simenon]

. I am liking the scot wagon best right now, because he really isn't doing a good job at proving why he is town.

1. You mentioned FaerieLord. Couldn't you say he's doing even less?
2. What should scot do to prove why he is town?
3. Why should we lynch someone for absence of that proof?

[fuzzylightning]

1. I did mention FaerieLord, I also said that my vote is staying there until she posts some content in this game.

2. I am not sure how he could do this. Currently it seems like he is making an argument that really isn't there, I can't well tell him, here is how you prove that you are town, he just needs to provide some reasoning that would lead people to believe that he is town, providing that he really is town.

3. If someone is not town, you should lynch them, isn't that the point of mafia, the town lynches the scum and the scum tries to get a mislynch. If he is not proving that he is town, then I believe that he really isn't town, and therefore should be lynched.

[scotmany12]

2. I am not sure how he could do this. Currently it seems like he is making an argument that really isn't there, I can't well tell him, here is how you prove that you are town, he just needs to provide some reasoning that would lead people to believe that he is town, providing that he really is town.

3. If someone is not town, you should lynch them, isn't that the point of mafia, the town lynches the scum and the scum tries to get a mislynch. If he is not proving that he is town, then I believe that he really isn't town, and therefore should be lynched.

Maybe you should try proving that you are town fuzzylightning? Who has proved that they were town so far? You are asking me to do something I simply can't do. I can argue my point which I have been trying to do, but short of that I can't "prove" that I am town. And since no one has really proved that they are town, should you not be believing everyone is scum then?

[scotmany12]

Sorry for doulb epost; forgot to copy and paste together.

Try again. This does not explain why you think I am scum.

Yes, it does. You were being deliberately dense, and apparently you're keeping up the act.

I'm not being dense at all. You go from say that the pressure on me has caused me to post more, and then when I ask you how that makes me scum, you reply with saying that the argument is less than stellar. That means absolutely nothing. How exactly does this make me dense?

A bad argument doesn't actually tell us anything about alignment. It begins to, though, when the poor argument is made on purpose. I don't think we would be having this argument if you were town, so that leaves you being a scum trying to have the argument.

What? I'm trying to defend myself from the small amount of accusations made against me. You expect me as town to just sit and let people vote for me? No, I'm going to try to defend myself. I'm not arguing for you just for the sake of arguing; I'm trying to convince you and everyone else that I am town.

[Simpor]

I am liking the scot wagon best right now

Well since the other wagon is against you it can be pretty hard for you to like it I guess?

3. If someone is not town, you should lynch them, isn't that the point of mafia, the town lynches the scum and the scum tries to get a mislynch. If he is not proving that he is town, then I believe that he really isn't town, and therefore should be lynched.

I missed stark's commen earlier, but as he mentioned you have hoped on several wagons, doesn't that makes you even more suspicious?

[Simenon]

2. I am not sure how he could do this. Currently it seems like he is making an argument that really isn't there, I can't well tell him, here is how you prove that you are town, he just needs to provide some reasoning that would lead people to believe that he is town, providing that he really is town.
3. If someone is not town, you should lynch them, isn't that the point of mafia, the town lynches the scum and the scum tries to get a mislynch. If he is not proving that he is town, then I believe that he really isn't town, and therefore should be lynched.

So do you believe proving yourself to be town is more important as a player than catching scum?

What? I'm trying to defend myself from the small amount of accusations made against me. You expect me as town to just sit and let people vote for me? No, I'm going to try to defend myself. I'm not arguing for you just for the sake of arguing; I'm trying to convince you and everyone else that I am town.

My problem with you is not that you are defending yourself, but that you are defending yourself with insincere arguments. I hated your reaction to the initial wagon.
But this wagon isn't going anywhere and this response is actually fine in my opinion.

Unvote
Vote Has

[stark]

Hey sim, are you opposed to a fuzzywagon?

[Simenon]

Very much so.

[Tomato]

Simpor, I asked you a question in my last post.

[hasdgfas]

I still don't think I've actually seen an argument as to why I should have a wagon. Anyone mind either making one or pointing me towards that argument?

[stark]

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

Scot wagon is unfounded.

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

I still don't see has-reasoning.

In my mind, the only scum I see is fuzzy.

[Tomato]

Er, forgot to add why on hasdgfas: Basically, a lot of his posts seems like reaching to me, and some are just completely useful. I don't really have any new insights here though.

That's what I've got, but I just realized I said useful instead of useless. Awk.

[Simpor]

To tomato:

Actually you made a statement.. questions usually have a ? at the end of the sentence...

I don't like how he's explaining how his vote may be wrong and why. It's being both on the wagon and off at the same time.

If you want some more explanation see my post at 161. So far I believe that fuzzy is the most scummy one and my vote is on him.

[Simenon]

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

No, I'm saying he was scum to me because he argument sounded like an argument scum made. Or is that no longer a legitimate reason to vote for someone anymore?

I also find it amusing that you completely avoided commenting on the fact you blatantly strawmanned me, contradicting a post I made that was *above* yours.

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

1. I sense there are scum on the wagon.
2. He has a lot of opinions that remind me of other opinions newbies hold when they're town.
3. The arguments against him are typical arguments scum use against newbies.

I still don't see has-reasoning.

Then you need another look. I know I provided a reason for not liking has.

[dahill1]

"Yay, Content" Vote Count

(3) hasdgfas: (scotmany12, Haterade, Simenon)
(3) fuzzylightning: (pickemgenius, stark, Simpor)
(2) scotmany12: (Flameaxe, IH)
(2) FaerieLord: (Tomato, fuzzylightning)
(2) Tomato: (FaerieLord, hasdgfas)

(0) Not voting: No one


Deadline: Oct. 6th - time still to be determined

[stark]

I don't think that fuzzy is on his own wagon

fixed

[stark]

So scot is scum because he has a bad argument?

Read 151 over. Stop pulling a Designer Mafia.

So he's scum because you just spun a fancy little nature of argument dialectic?

No, I'm saying he was scum to me because he argument sounded like an argument scum made. Or is that no longer a legitimate reason to vote for someone anymore?

Nope

I also find it amusing that you completely avoided commenting on the fact you blatantly strawmanned me, contradicting a post I made that was *above* yours.

Wow, you're cool with your debate team terminology. What should I comment on? Besides, don't dwell in the past. Honestly, who reads posts prior to their own?

Why are you opposed to fuzzy?

1. I sense there are scum on the wagon.

Uhh.. It's me and peg at last count. Thanks man. That's exactly why you're going after everyone else?

2. He has a lot of opinions that remind me of other opinions newbies hold when they're town.

Un ejemplo por favor?

3. The arguments against him are typical arguments scum use against newbies.

Oh man, you caught me.

I still don't see has-reasoning.

Then you need another look. I know I provided a reason for not liking has.

I've obviously missed it then. I'll re-read[/b]

[Simenon]

thank you for the pompous condescension and general bullshit. You're really in your element here stark.

Nope

Reread what you just wrote and stop being a complete idiot. You're embarrassing yourself here.

Wow, you're cool with your debate team terminology.

Dickhead.

What should I comment on?

A correction would be nice. An admission of guilt or mistake. Something like "oops, Sim, you're right, what I wrote before was complete bullshit seeing as the post before me was a complete contradiction of what I just said." You know, instead of being an ass.

Uhh.. It's me and peg at last count. Thanks man. That's exactly why you're going after everyone else?

WE HAVE A DEADLINE IN SIX DAYS. *****SIX DAYS****

Un ejemplo por favor?

The whole "prove yourself to be town" thing is a big one.