Mini 681 - Mish Mash Mafia - THE END!

[lord_hur]

Hi there, nice to meet you all.

Vote : Mana_Ku

because he got the highest post count, which is so pro-town !

[lord_hur]

EBWOP : err, that's a she.

[lord_hur]

Unvote

Here's what I suggest.

We each pick a person that we would kill if elected executioner. Once we have everyone covered (everyone's got somebody that would kill them), then we play like a regular mafia game. Instead of voting for the person we want to lynch, we vote for the executioner who would kill that person.

Is that OK, or is that stupid?

This seems like a good idea. Except that I think we should discuss as normal *then* ask for kill choices and elect the executioner.

[lord_hur]

I refuse to state who I would kill, because as soon as the scum know who each of us would kill, they can and more than likely will attempt to steer lynches onto town players who would kill town.

Vote Caboose

for suggesting it.

You're supposed to vote for people you find pro-town, in this game. Why voting for someone you think suggesting something you think is pro-scum?

Your remark does make sense though.

[lord_hur]

Back from my long WE. Wow you guys moved that thing fast.

After my catching up, two players stood out as towniest in my eyes : Mana_Ku for giving the most pro-town analysis, and sekinj for being the player whose ideas I agree the most with.

The two are pretty close, but I'm going to

Vote : Mana_Ku

because she came up slightly on top.

[lord_hur]

Do you think skipping the 'elect an executioner' stage would be good or bad for town?

Bad. Elect an executioner then getting him to select a target is better, because it gives town more info : once as a normal vote, and another nice bit on the executioner himself.

[lord_hur]

The only additional information you gain from electing the executioner is if they decide to not follow majority decision and lynches someone on their own. If they follow majority decision, it yields no information. And little bit of information you do get is WIFOM. If the executioner kills scum, they could be town with good scumdar, or they could be scum bussing. I don't see how that is more useful than completely eliminating that step to remove it.

- following majority is a decision, and gives info
- it's no more WIFOMy than a standard vote

I think my point stands.

[lord_hur]

- following majority is a decision, and gives info

I'm saying it gives no ADDITIONAL information. If we skip electing executioner, we will still be majority voting on a lynch, thus getting the same information.

I disagree. The steps are obviously different, thus there is no chance we'd get the same info. But if you're talking about quality, both electing an executioner and voting for a lynch would be the same (I don't think you're discussing this), but we'd have a chance to get extra info from the execution itself (I agree, it's not a big chance, but I don't think the chance is inexistant).

- it's no more WIFOMy than a standard vote

You're comparing one person to the entire population. It's a lot easier to catch scum and scumbuddies alike when having everyone participate than when narrowing it down to one person.[/quote]

Of course, but then we'd have both a decision in which everyone is participating, *plus* a single-person decision. More is still better, even if marginally.

[lord_hur]

No, I have been reading. sekinj has by far the best strategy. Plus, I've played with her before, so I trust her more than anyone else (as much as you can trust anyone in these games).

How does her playstyle in other games affect her alignment in this game?

As much as I prefer sekinj's reasoning to LBF's overall, I have to agree with her here. Looks quite scummy to me.

[lord_hur]

Not that it is very important, but I was voting for Mana_Ku, so the vote count is a bit off.

I'd

lynch OP

over LBF, but not by a huge margin. I don't find the fact that he entered the game scummy, as it is not a good move for either scum or town. The only thing I have against him is his strange trust of sekinj, and it is not a huge thing. Still enough to select him though, as I don't have much against LBF.

[lord_hur]

Sekinj

must

pick a player to kill

No player can post until that is decided.

She did choose in post 311...

[lord_hur]

Oops sorry, I'm a bit late on this.

Expose dark secret : deal 15 unblockable damage to target player.

[lord_hur]

5 on clean campaign.

[lord_hur]

Hmm I'm not sure the power I proposed was given in time...

But if so :

expose dark secret 20

[lord_hur]

Once we bid, can we retract them or are they absolute?

I'm thinking absolute. The other alternative would be abused too easily.

[lord_hur]

There is no obligation to do so that I can see.

[lord_hur]

Good news about the replacement !

The day ends when one of us is eliminated in this mini-game, I think. And given that farside22 hasn't even voted on powers yet...

[lord_hur]

Read about the mini game rules, and see if you want to bid on a power.

[lord_hur]

I don't think it is absudly powerful. For one, it is not one vs one, and we can easily make him lose 20 points each round if he "abuses" this power (like, putting 5 into attack, rest into defense each round to get an insane power amount round after round...).

For two, some people (read : farside22) got absurdly low starting power, so the mini-game could end very fast, negating most of the advantage of this power.

But even if it was that powerful, why would you find that suspicious ? He had no guarantee that he (or one of his pals, if he's scum) would get it, right ?


MOD : I guess that the first person who loses is considered lynched, right ? But what if two people lose on the same round ?

[lord_hur]

Oh, thanks and sorry about the question.

[lord_hur]

I'd like to know what stratagy Farside was using. I hope she knows that I could knock her out of the game Round 1 without allocating a single point to attacks.

Actually, no you can't, since she gains 5 power right away from rally.


And as ShadowGirl said, power prices exceeded their usefulness.

For example, why the hell spend 21 power to get 10 attack (slander) : that's a 11 power net loss, AND it forces you to use those 10 on attack. Same goes for clean campaign and campaign commercial.

Quick Witted Riposte is too situational, and only worth it if comboed with Electoral College. Buying both was too expensive.

Rally and Obama bomb rely on the fact that the game drags on, which is far from certain.

Only Expose Dark Secret and Electoral College got me thinking. For Expose Dark Secret, at that steep price (25 net power loss), I figured that if I found someone particularly scummy, I could just attack with my massive 100 power and actually overpower their defenses.

And for Electoral College... It's a very cool power, but the price was just too high for me. It would have left me with only 49 power to attack, which is not enough firepower for my taste.

[lord_hur]

On an unrelated note, farside22, your avatar is making me smile each time I see it. Thank you.

[lord_hur]

Yes, like this :

Attack Empking : 30

For being the only player who has voted to get both OP and LBF killed, and also, on reread, for lack of meaningful participation in the previous day's discussion (in my opinion, of course).

Please note that it is possible to unattack (in this case, if Empking improves the quality of his interventions).

[lord_hur]

Yes, like this :

Attack Empking : 30

For being the only player who has voted to get both OP and LBF killed, and also, on reread, for lack of meaningful participation in the previous day's discussion (in my opinion, of course).

Please note that it is possible to unattack (in this case, if Empking improves the quality of his interventions).

Can you quote where mafia does point to both LBF and OP please?
Also so far my minimal experience with SSk is he is'nt very helpful no matter his alignment. But I do suspect him in this game as he is laying far lower then I normally see and I don't see him contributing squat to this game.

Empking's posts 22 and 25.

I also wouldn't oppose a MafiaSSK assault, since I naturally dislike heavy lurkers (though I must admit I haven't be so active in the first part of the game, as I had a very tough working period ; this will pick up though), and I agree that he has contributed even less than Empking.

[lord_hur]

Err MafiaSSK has one power, and farside22 has three powers...

That's 3 people who can't read/count, and there are 3 scum, coincidence ?...

[lord_hur]

Err MafiaSSK has one power, and farside22 has three powers...

That's 3 people who can't read/count, and there are 3 scum, coincidence ?...

I love your BS attack on me.

You didn't think I was serious about this coincidence thing right ?

[lord_hur]

What's with people not saying why they attack ? I think I'm the only one that gave anything resembling a justification...

Attacking in this mini game is like voting, so it should be justified, in my opinion. Unless there's something I don't get...

[lord_hur]

I'm still confused as to how this works. It sounds as if it would be really easy to "quickhammer" someone.

It is. But only the lowest negative score is considered lynched, so you can't really eliminate someone by yourself against the majority, unless no one else is playing.

[lord_hur]

Fang Tooth Nightmare was horrible I have to admit.
Also Farside, I've had a buch of stuff to do I can't be as talktive as I usually am.

You talk in the past tense, yet I didn't see much improvement lately. You still didn't make a single attack on anyone.

Ok, I'm not sure I'll be able to place my attacks before the deadline if I don't do it now, so here they are based on my current suspicions :

Attack Empking : 20 (for a total of 50)

Attack MafiaSSK : 30

Defend : 20

[lord_hur]

Hmm, seems the day/turn isn't over yet.

I don't like how some people (SG, MafiaSSK and RF) didn't play at all. Of all those, only MafiaSSK has some kind of excuse, since he can give his moves after everyone else.

It also makes me nervous that everyone else followed my attack on Empking. Either he's obvious scum, or he's innocent and there are scum riding this train.

[lord_hur]

It's hard to ignore someone who is being obviously selfish as well as combative for no reason. That allow would be vote worthy if votes mattered.

While I will agree that what Empking did was "obviously selfish", what are you thinking of ShadowGirl, who just put 100 into defense and did no scumhunting at all ?

[lord_hur]

It's hard to ignore someone who is being obviously selfish as well as combative for no reason. That allow would be vote worthy if votes mattered.

While I will agree that what Empking did was "obviously selfish", what are you thinking of ShadowGirl, who just put 100 into defense and did no scumhunting at all ?

[lord_hur]

Unless he's nuts, I think he was talking about another game.

[lord_hur]

Unless he's nuts, I think he was talking about another game.

Yay if he is it better not be directed at me. Because that is rude.

he = Empking, and I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would find that rude. Unless I am using "nuts" inappropriately, which is possible since english is not my first language. In this case, I apologize.

I meant that unless Emking was not thinking when he was typing, he must have been talking about another game.

[lord_hur]

Hmm and what happens if we can't get a majority, or when 2 people are left ?

[lord_hur]

Ahh I see.

Hmm now with farside22 gone, there are only two players that I think are more pro-town than the rest : sekinj and Caboose.

Vote : Caboose

for now, but I will switch for sekinj if my vote is needed for a majority.

@Max: can one self-vote ?

[lord_hur]

@LH and RF: Why do you think sekinj and I are pro-town?

Simply because I remember liking your and sekinj's interventions in day 1, who seemed genuine to me in their intention of helping town.

And about day 2, everyone either voted for Empking or just protected themselves. There was no real discussion as we all went for him, so I feel like scum could have safely stayed away from the voting. Day 2 thus gave very little info in my opinion.

So I chose to trust my conclusions in day 1, in which we were much more active.

If I had to vote to lynch someone, it would not be one of you two. Thus I'm willing to get you two out of the equation.

[lord_hur]

Since he has been one of the scummiest players... maybe that just about clears both of us...

Not in my eyes. Even if he's scum, he could be bussing too.

I'd like MafiaSSK to expand on his accusation too. I guess every message in favor of another player could be seen as mafia helping each other, but I didn't see this message as especially suspicious. Well, except that sekinj is again following my vote, and last time it lead to a mislynch... Can't really blame him, since I still think my points were valid and he has a brain too, but still...

[lord_hur]

@LH - dont' be ridiculous. I'm not following anyone. We all obviously have to agree in order to declare someone safe. My vote has nothing to do with yours.

Ridiculous ? I'm not so sure. Day 2, when I saw the attacks piling up upon my own, I had the distinct feeling that such a consensus could not have been reached without a couple scum participating. Since there was the possibily of scum bussing, I didn't change my attacks (plus it wouldn't have changed a thing concerning the outcome), but allow me to be cautious about votes following the same pattern today.

Also, please avoid using empty and unverifiable affirmations like this, it brings nothing to the discussion :

My vote has nothing to do with yours.

There is no way I can be sure that your vote wasn't cast because of mine.

[lord_hur]

Will post when I get home from school.

Looking forward to it. Your low participation makes it very had for me to assess you, and it makes you look like scum hanging back and waiting.I'd be grateful if you were a bit more offensive.

hmmm.... I think this is much harder than regular lynching.

Can you develop on this, sekinj ? It looks like nearly-standard voting with 6 mini-days to me, which is much in favor of town in my opinion.

[lord_hur]

@LH: If you have a case on me, please make it instead of just nit-picking at my wording.

I don't have anything against you for now except that voting right after me too times in a row, which might very well be a coincidence.

You say that I can't make statements about the motive of my vote because that is unverifiable, yet we are supposed to trust the

feelings

that you are professing to have?? Pot, meet kettle.

I could answer to this, but it would be pointless for the discussion.

and Yes, I believe it is much harder to go through and say one by one that each person is town, rather than just pick one player who is acting scummy. For example: I'm going to have a very hard time voting you as town because these flailing attacks seem to be cast out in all directions and have no point or focus. I'd like to see you take a stand on something.

You know, you don't *have* to vote for me. Vote for me, or don't. Though you'll have to tell me how attacking in all directions is scummy. On the contrary, only scum know on whom to focus their attacks. I guess town could legitimately follow his guts and attack only one person to bring him down, but not in LyLo (in my opinion anyway). Scumhunting is still our best bet (something people kinda forgot with these mini-games, and I'm especially talking about day 2).

Also, I'm taking a stand, even have been the first to vote, but I'm not willing to accept anyone as guaranteed town, because I've made that mistake before, and that cost me victory.

There's one thing I'm sure about : passive play never helped to find scum. Pardon me if I play agressively in LyLo.

[lord_hur]

Not much else besides vibes really.

Damn it MafiaSSK, your posts are so empty that I'll have to resort to metagaming, and god knows I hate that.

Could you be a little more active, maybe do a bit of reasoning ?

[lord_hur]

MafiaSSK is a proven major lurker, whether town or scum.
I suggest from now on we D1 lynch him in every game until he starts playing properly.

Hmm you're right, this guy is a one-liner artist :/

I must say I also support this proposition. But it doesn't help right now as we're in LyLo, and I'm at a loss as to how to get hints about his scumminess.

[lord_hur]

I don't care if you highlight the part you where "you got the vibe" with a turd. Just give some evidence instead of a crap attack on me.

Seriously MafiaSSK, any constructed reasoning be you on any player would be a boon.

[lord_hur]

I find it weird that KoC flung some crap attacks at me D1 and then goes to dropping the hammer on me D3.

And what would be the point of securing a townie, for scum? (because you will claim townie, right?)

[lord_hur]

I find it weird that KoC flung some crap attacks at me D1 and then goes to dropping the hammer on me D3.

And what would be the point of securing a townie, for scum? (because you will claim townie, right?)

So they can appear as a townie.
(And, yes, I'm town)

Since (assuming that you're town) the other townies don't know that you're town, the impact of that strategy would be rather limited, no?

[lord_hur]

The fact that KoC dropped the hammer on me doesn't make me think that he's any less scummy. I'm not sure why you think it does, LH.

Never said that. I wouldn't be any less suspicious of anyone saving me.

[lord_hur]

Save lord_hur.

Since I'm now wary of both Sekinj and KoC.

Wary ? Why ?

[lord_hur]

It's a gut feeling. It just seemed like it was rushed. What more do you wan?

I want something more than a crap attack.

Crap attack ? I'm not so sure... SG's accusation rang a bell, and made me reread Empking's lynch. KoC and sekinj attacked him one right after the other, the third attacker (after me) being none other than Caboose...

I know, Empking was obvious scum and all that, but this is quite a coincidence, don't you think ?

Damn, and these 3 were my top pro-town choices... Voting will be tough, today...

[lord_hur]

LH - you are being blown around by every idea that comes across. How can you possibly be convinced by SG's vibes when you earlier stated that I can't even tell you my personal motives for a vote because they can't be proven?

I think saying that I've been "convinced by her vibes" is a bit abusive. I think I've added a sizable element, which originated in my own reflexions. Thus I claim this idea as mine (not that it's a big thing...).

And I don't think I'm getting "blown around", which implies that I'm not controling where my thoughts are leading me. This observation I made only shifted my suspicions a bit, nothing more. I'm not of the type to be influenced by other people, unless I have the obsolute proof that they are town (well actually, it made me lose once, and I'm not going to make the mistake again).

That said, you are free to make your own investigations and come to better conclusions.

[lord_hur]

in hopes that I can fling around some unfounded suspicions at some people on his wagon

Unfounded suspicions ? Are you claiming that you know they are unfounded ? Anyway, this is a crap attack.

Hopefully nobody recognizes the fact that being on a townie wagon is not a scumtell

This is your opinion. Unless you can prove me that it is a widely accepted opinion, then it can be a proper defense.

and that I'm using crap logic to try to cast some suspicion onto Caboose and sekinj to get people to second guess themselves.[/color]

Crap logic is logical fallacy. I showed a fact, nothing more.

Caboose had a good reason for attacking Empking

This is the only thing making sense, and should have constituted your only defense. What was this reason ?

Caboose already got cleared so we don't get to mislynch him. I guess we can still go after sekinj. Getting a mislynch

will be tough, today...

Since it seems you need to learn what crap attack is, this is it. An attack not based on any fact or reasoning.

Why are you only talking about sekinj, and not KoC ? Because he is the only one you have to defend ?

[lord_hur]

Unfounded suspicions ? Are you claiming that you know they are unfounded ? Anyway, this is a crap attack.

Being on a townie wagon=/=scumtell
The foundation to your argument just vanished.

And this is crap logic / logical fallacy : using mere opinion for established fact to make a point.

This is your opinion. Unless you can prove me that it is a widely accepted opinion, then it can be a proper defense.

It's my opinion that I've formed through experience. Do you have an alternate one? If so, please share.

I find rushed votes significantly more scummy. Especially when repeatedly done, *and* with the same persons, since scum tend instinctively to coordinate their attacks.

Since it seems you need to learn what crap attack is, this is it. An attack not based on any fact or reasoning.

I find that people who make crap attacks often flip scum. So no, my attack is not a crap attack but I point out that SG, SSK, and you are trying to attack me for something that's not a scumtell or not even scummy.

Again, your opinion. And since you appear to be anything but flexible, this means that all attacks against you are scummy.

Why are you only talking about sekinj, and not KoC ? Because he is the only one you have to defend ?

If sekinj is scum, then she's playing a really good game right now because I don't see anything scummy about her play. KoC, on the other hand, has made some scummy moves Day 1, which includes attacking me for something not scummy.

Ah ok, sekinj is not scummy because she is the only one who didn't attack you. You should have said that right from the start.


@all : did anyone play with Caboose before, and if yes, does he always show this kind of behavior ?

[lord_hur]

I don't understand lord_hur's continued accusation of Caboose. How can he continue to attack Caboose now that he is cleared as town? If Caboose was mafia, the game would be over. We've entered the next voting stage, so he needs to lose the tunnel vision and look for other pairs.

Town loses when all 3 scum are voted, not when the first one is. Caboose can still be scum.

[lord_hur]

MafiaSSK - are you going to anything this game?

Trying to contribute.

And failing thoroughly.

[lord_hur]

@SG : I actually like a couple isolated observations of yours, but seriously, that's a LOT of assumptions. Especially that "scum not attacking each other" thing : scum can bus each other you know, and nearly every game has examples of it.


And about MafiaSSK : my heart nearly stopped when I say him seemingly posting more than one line, then I realized that he just made a mistake with quotes.... Seriously, I have no idea how to handle this : how do you determine whether a person is scum or not if he is not playing ?

[lord_hur]

I hate stuff like this: "Oh, just ignore X. He

always

acts anti-town. He did so in game Y, was lynched, and flipped town. So now we just let him get away with whatever the hell he wants." You run the risk of making this game incredibly easy for the scum. I'm definitely not going to be casting a save vote for MafiaSSK anytime soon, that's for sure.

Logically, as I have no idea how to assess him, I should place MafiaSSK at exact neutral (between those I think are more town, and those I think are on the scummy side), so he would not be my last voted. Problem is, I hate this kind of play, so I think I will not act logically in this one case.

[lord_hur]

I hate stuff like this: "Oh, just ignore X. He

always

acts anti-town. He did so in game Y, was lynched, and flipped town. So now we just let him get away with whatever the hell he wants." You run the risk of making this game incredibly easy for the scum. I'm definitely not going to be casting a save vote for MafiaSSK anytime soon, that's for sure.

Logically, as I have no idea how to assess him, I should place MafiaSSK at exact neutral (between those I think are more town, and those I think are on the scummy side), so he would not be my last voted. Problem is, I hate this kind of play, so I think I will not act logically in this one case.

Is it because I'm playing as I usually would without any change to my meta?

No, meta cannot help in any way in this case.

[lord_hur]

Bleh, no more activity? What's up, activity looked good till now...

Ok, well, enough with hesitations. sekinj has scored more town vibes with me than any other player. That voting right with KoC two times looks not so good after a partial reread (as SG said, I must admit there's not much evidence of them being scum pals other than that), and she responded quite well to attacks.

Also, I cannot picture myself voting her after MafiaSSK, RF or even KoC.

So

vote : sekinj

[lord_hur]

I hate stuff like this: "Oh, just ignore X. He

always

acts anti-town. He did so in game Y, was lynched, and flipped town. So now we just let him get away with whatever the hell he wants." You run the risk of making this game incredibly easy for the scum. I'm definitely not going to be casting a save vote for MafiaSSK anytime soon, that's for sure.

Logically, as I have no idea how to assess him, I should place MafiaSSK at exact neutral (between those I think are more town, and those I think are on the scummy side), so he would not be my last voted. Problem is, I hate this kind of play, so I think I will not act logically in this one case.

Is it because I'm playing as I usually would without any change to my meta?

No, meta cannot help in any way in this case.

Why?

Because your participation is insignificant (in my opinion at least), so there's no way to discern any variation in your play that could be specific to you playing town, or you playing scum.

[lord_hur]

So, sekinj is safe. Goodie.

What do you mean with that "Goodie" ?

[lord_hur]

Precisely what I said. Appreciate the attempt to twist, though.

Please, enough with weak attacks. I meant, why didn't you vote her if you thought saving her was a good thing?

[lord_hur]

Bleh, sorry ><

[lord_hur]

What ? You were not kidding ? Do you really think anyone, scum or town, would do this on purpose ? Do you think I would count on you having a memory wipe or something ?

Damn, I don't know how to consider people who don't play rationally, regarding their scumminess. First MafiaSSK, now you...

Unless you're doing this (ridiculous) attack because you now know that you're in the bottom section of my own list, of course...

[lord_hur]

Consider yourself no longer even at the bottom of my save-list. Consider yourself lying scum, lying scum.

unsave; begrudgingly save lord_hur

Hmm, if you guys do want to save KoC, do not count on my vote. I will not vote for someone who changes his opinions this fast, for two reasons :

1. Fast opinion changes is typical of scum, who do not, by design, believe in cases they know to be flawed ;
2. KoC could have voted me to try get the favor back. Because remember that scum only need to convince *one* townie to save one of them. I do not want to be the fool that was convinced by such a crude method.

FoS : KoC

[lord_hur]

SSK is usually really mysterious. Now, he's throwing around cumbersome accusations, which doens't really sit well with me because I've never seen him do that before.

Would you associate this peculiar behavior with scumminess? If so, why?

[sekinj and RF, I suggest that both of you use your vote a little bit more conservatively.

I concur. Do not forget that we are in LyLo.

So you're basically saying KoC should be today's lynch. Do you think that SG is also scum?

Right now, I would save you or SG, as you are tied on my scum meter.

[lord_hur]

I'm actually pretty convinced that SSK is scum.

Why? You only talked about unusual play, so how do you tie this play to scumminess? Do you have meta elements you didn't tell us about?

I myself tried to meta him, but did not notice much...

[lord_hur]

@LH: SSK usually makes half-hearted crap attacks and then backs off. This game, he hasn't done so.

Strange, MafiaSSK's posts 27 and 28 look to me exactly like what you describe... Also, you yourself said ealier that he did a crap attack on you, and he didn't push much after that attack.

Bleh, as much as I'd like to find something damning about him other than that playing style of his, I still do not see that as a a solid rational argument.

[lord_hur]

@KoC ans sekinj : go ahead, all discussion is good for town (well, as long as your case is reasonable...).

I sighed when I saw MafiaSSK's vote, seriously. Even when it means saving his own life, that guy cannot act rationally. The only logical explanation I could see is that him and SG are scum so her life would mean as much to him as his own, but even then, he is closer to safety than her...

[lord_hur]

@KoC - I agree with looking more closely at LH.

[lord_hur]

No, I actually think this is the hammer :

Vote : MafiaSSK

Because I'm pretty sure scum-MafiaSSK would have saved his sorry ass.

[lord_hur]

Vote : MafiaSSK

and why didn't you do this 48 hours ago?

I was holding in case scum-MafiaSSK's partners were going to out themselves to try to save him (since I think you're town and that SG wasn't so high on my meter, it was a good possibility).

When nobody moved after an extended amount of time, and that MafiaSSK himself did not try to help hammer himself, I placed my vote because I thought it was a good indication of MafiaSSK being town.

Yeah. RF faked it.

No it was not a fake vote. RF's previous vote (KoC) was "erased" when he got saved.

[lord_hur]

You mean town lost?...

[lord_hur]

Damn it MafiaSSK, you're ruining all the fun! I wanted to decieve them just a bit more... playing as scum is so fun

But you're right, it's time to announce the purr-fect victory of the Kitty Mafia! (I fully apologize for this pun)

[lord_hur]

Vote : MafiaSSK

and why didn't you do this 48 hours ago?

Now for the real answer: there was a possibility that after I voiced my intention not to vote for MafiaSSK, SG would have unvoted after seeing me vote for him.

And if they picked that up, your own linking to us wasn't too hard to see.

So I could only hammer (but MafiaSSK wouldn't vote for himself), or wait for these 48 hours, that gave me a decent reason to place my vote.

But seriously, I hated MafiaSSK for not self-voting right away

[lord_hur]

I kept my notes seperate to see if

I

could figure out who was scum

Could you?

[lord_hur]

Damn cats. I will never trust either of you again.
And SSK is now officially an auto D1 lynch to prevent this happening again.

Aw, don't be bitter, mafia is all about lying and decieving... Though I agree on lynching MafiaSSK D1 (generally, this is known as LAL theory : lynch all lurkers).

[lord_hur]

and being executioner the first day was just SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTT!!! I didn't think that would actually happen, and then I thought I would be lynched day 2 for it anyway

Yes, I couldn't believe it myself The way you didn't take any responsibility by telling the others to choose for themselves was indeed the way to go. And i thought OP would at least shoot you back, but he got LBF instead, that was hilarious!

[lord_hur]

Because sekinj and I thought you were the most dangerous, of course

That's the second time in two games that I actively participate in your killing, btw, but nothing personal

Looking forward to kil... err, playing with you again!