Open 93 - Near Vanilla: Game Over, Mafia Win!

[afatchic]

No i used the posts i wanted to. in the first post you tell armix you don't agree with the bolded part, then in your very next post, you vote me for it.

can you please show me where i said i would believe a PR claim?

[armlx]

Afatchic, you said it was a turn around, except the part that wasn't understood was explained.....

[afatchic]

can you show me who explained it and where, prior to the vote.

[armlx]

Right where I said the L-1 thing....

[Korts]

Sorry, guys, I owe you a Vote Count and an activity check... didn't have time for it last couple days.

[Korts]

Seventh Vote Count

(4) thegeckoj -armlx, Darox, SpamWise, MafiaSSK

(3) MafiaSSK -Doktor Per, ChaosOmega, thegeckoj
(3) afatchic -ZazieR, retrowiz, Sineish
(1) ZazieR -afatchic

not voting:

killa seven

Seven to lynch.

@mod

:I'm pretty sure that retrowiz is also voting for afatchic, as he voted for Gamma in post 76.

Corrected, thanks.

Prodding ChaosOmega (

this is your last chance

), SpamWise (

your last chance too

), and thegeckoj (

also your third prod/last chance

).

[killa seven]

Im not on the vote count

Corrected, thanks

[armlx]

The fact SSK still has 3 votes is kinda lame.

[thegeckoj]

The issue with that is you keep trying to defend someone you say you think is scummy from being lynched. See the contradiction?

right now he does seem scummiest, but i don't think we are ready for the lynch since half the people aren't playing. if we had full participation and were where we are now i would probably support it, but as it stands i think we need some replacements or something first

this game is lagging so much that i am ready for a lynch and i am begining (scummy though it may sound) to not care if it is completely educated. everybody is probably going to jump on my bandwagon for this and so be it.

vote: afatchic

purely to push him, hoping for a lynch just to get things moving.

i've already claimed vanilla townie and that is the best i am going to do at this point. i play these games for both sport and fun and while the sporting part still remains the fun part is quickly dwindling.

if this causes a backlash and i get lynched, so be it, but it would be the wrong move.

[armlx]

And gecko does something even scummier for self preservation after the appeal to emotion about a self lynch.

[ZazieR]

Afatchic, really. Learn to read the posts more carefully.

I asked if he could explain himself what he meant and how he came up with the L-1 part, because I couldn't find it. And no, it wasn't based upon what armlx said about it. One of the reasons however was your threat of hammering. But not what armlx said.

And I already showed where you said that you would believe him. Look at the quote of post 366. I have underlined the part where you said it.

Besides, this is the third time I ask the next question. Why do you call him scum (see the quotes of post 357), while you don't see him as scum (as you said in post 356)?

Geckoj, that is indeed a scummy post.

[afatchic]

why don't you learn to read the posts more clearly. it says i.e. (means for example) IF you have a power role then claim. it does not say since you have a PR go ahead and claim. you should try and practice what you preach there zazier. and i still want you to explain where i said i would hammer because you are completely off on that one.

[ZazieR]

What you said was this:
i.e. if you have a power role and are about to be lynched, then its in the towns best interest for you to claim

so that we can try to find another candidate to lynch and not shoot ourselves in the foot by lynching a power role D1.

I'm giving a comment the whole time about the part, which I've underlined this time as well. You're saying here that if he claims a powerrole that you would want to lynch someone else. Meaning that you'd believe him with his claim. And I'm asking why would you believe him?

For your next part of your last post, we'll look what was said at that moment.
It started with you saying this:

its wifom, but im still going on my gut feeling. if he is scum, then either someone else will agree or he will screw up again and i will jump right back on the bandwagon, but right now im not sure enough to be comfortable with a lynch.

armlx asked to everybody except Darox, what was scummy about that. This was my answer.

First of all, he includes WIFOM which is his main reason for unvoting. I've seen some games now and scum uses different approaches, so WIFOM is really bad to use.

Also, I don't like sentence 2. First of all the part of 'someone else will agree'. It seems like he wants Geckoj lynched, but wants someone else to do it. Second, would be that he will jump right back on. This could be seen as opportunism.

Not sure if this is what you wanted to hear armlx from afatchic's post 274, but these are the things that seem weird to me.

Followed by armlx.

That's part of it. The other part is that he's saying he is A) giving gecko a free pass on his earlier actions, as he's "bound to make another slip", and B) saying he will hammer only when Gecko is at L-1, aka primo bus time as a lynch is pretty much assured.

I said afterwards that I agree with A, but that I couldn't see B. This was because I couldn't see where you said that you would jump back on at L-1.
Then you ask a weird question (if you should lynch him). That together with your and armlx discussion, gave me some bad vibes from you and I decided to look into your posts. From that I made a case and I voted you. After that came armlx explanation and I could see what he meant with it.
You could just vote after someone else voted saying that he seems scummy in your eyes. Because that's already what you said in some posts before it.

But now that I have your attention, explain the quotes of post 357 where you call him scum, while you said that you don't see him as scum. (fourth time)

[afatchic]

Then tell me if there is a player who has more scum tells at this moment than Geckoj, afatchic.

when i said should i lynch him now, i was being a smart alleck in regards to this post. you sould like you are saying since he is the only one that has done anything wrong we should go ahead and lynch him. this was not a serious post, you should be able to figure out that it does not at all go along with what i have been saying all game.

and i said i would believe the PR claim because in an open setup we know there has to be a Doc Or JK so if he claims either and no counter-claim then he is probably telling the truth, if we get a counter-claim then we caught scum D1.

the majority of your case against me so far is you taking stuff the wrong way or twisting my words around.

[ZazieR]

I'd post more if I wouldn't have much fun with animorpherv1 .

Why did you start about that question? I didn't talk about that one in my posts.

You know that we have a doc and a JK, right?

You still haven't explained the scum thing.

[afatchic]

did you not read the post? i was explaining the "hammer" post that you are trying to build a case against. and yes i know that we have both a doc and JK, which is why i said i would believe a claim without a counter. and i just said scum because its just quicker and easier than saying "someone who could possibly be scum", but if you are going to straight up ask me, is he scum, then you are not going to get the same answer.

[Korts]

Prodded Sineish (first), retrowiz (

second

won't count toward the three strikes due to weekend), Apothecary (

third prod

), Darox (first), and Doktor Per (first).

EDIT: if any of the prodded people are V/LA during weekends, notify me by PM and this prod won't count toward the three strikes. Sorry, forgot it was Monday...

[MafiaSSK]

Keeping my vote.

[retrowiz]

Then tell me if there is a player who has more scum tells at this moment than Geckoj, afatchic.

when i said should i lynch him now, i was being a smart alleck in regards to this post. you sould like you are saying since he is the only one that has done anything wrong we should go ahead and lynch him. this was not a serious post, you should be able to figure out that it does not at all go along with what i have been saying all game.

and i said i would believe the PR claim because in an open setup we know there has to be a Doc Or JK so if he claims either and no counter-claim then he is probably telling the truth, if we get a counter-claim then we caught scum D1.

the majority of your case against me so far is you taking stuff the wrong way or twisting my words around.

maybe it's just me..but I dont like "being a smart alleck" or sarcasm in posts unless stated right after sarcastic post. just seems like an excuse. and I don't buy it...part of me want to vote Gekko, but I can't convince myself to leave this one.

[ZazieR]

OK, participation from everyone requested.
Who do you see as scum right now and why?

[armlx]

Who do you see as scum right now and why?

Gecko + afatchic. Gecko for opportunistic voting on SSK and failing to claim, afatchic for trying all sorts of ridiculous techniques to try and stall the wagon as well as trying to get everyone else to make cases for him, and misreps.

[Doktor Per]

unvote; Vote TheGeckoJ

ZazieR, though I do still feel that MafiaSSK is scummy as a duck, I do believe that at this point that TheGeckoJ would be a much more valuable as it has the potential of rooting out Fatty. Beyond that, most people have done very few things of note. Darox has been eerily silent for the last few days, (or maybe just had low profile posts) but that tends to be more suspicious to me in the latter days. In other words, we got three bag dicks in the community who are hogging the limelight. It'll be good when this is overwith and we can start staring down our fellow towners.

[armlx]

Doktor, do you believe Gecko has been scummy?

[Doktor Per]

Oh yes, the only people that have been under pressure have seemed somewhat scummy to me, the added bonus of Fatty makes me jump ship, using the following logic.

Fatty + Gecko scummyness > MafiaSKK scummyness.

It is not fair logic, by any stretch, but those two are fairly intertvined. Something seems off about it, but I'll keep my theory to myself till I see something that confirms it.

[Doktor Per]

To clarify, those under pressure:

Fatty, Gecko, Mafia.