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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:53 am

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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:53 am

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In post 118, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 114, Dwlee99 wrote:Infinity I need you to walk me through how this is a guilty if the true result is clidd.
We still call it a tracker guilty even if weirdness could've happened

Same with a gunsmith guilty

This is closer to that than really any play-based scumtell
If clidd was the real result then my result is complete noise. My alignment would have nothing to do with whether I got guilty or town.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:54 am

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like town!you would've bothered because town!you is aware that i'm quick to scumread shit like this and town!you *very well knows* what impact it can have on the game if we tunnel each other if we're tvt

but scum!you doens't have to waste time if he can pretend he has a solid case on me that could convince the town to kill me
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:57 am

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In post 126, Dwlee99 wrote:If clidd was the real result then my result is complete noise. My alignment would have nothing to do with whether I got guilty or town.
I went through the math but like

It's very unlikely for town to get a mafia result. Even if clidd is the true result you still will more often than not get a town result.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:57 am

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it wasnt even that bad last time we death-tunneled each other

i figured out you were town and you um... well you know what you did.

i assume you'll do better this time
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:58 am

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wait what is this revisionist history you're doing here

i didnt even death tunnel you last time

i just called you a bad player and said some mean things about how you had no right to scumread me but I had you as town the whole way
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:58 am

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In post 128, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 126, Dwlee99 wrote:If clidd was the real result then my result is complete noise. My alignment would have nothing to do with whether I got guilty or town.
I went through the math but like

It's very unlikely for town to get a mafia result. Even if clidd is the true result you still will more often than not get a town result.
37.5% of the time I get a guilty when it's being randed. Yes "more often than not" but you'd literally hand scum the game if they selected two townies every night phase and you yeeted on a guilty.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:59 am

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like you're trying to pretend like us fighting was bad last time except it helped me figure out you were a good guy so why would I not want to swordfight you again?
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:00 am

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I'm gonna disconnect from the game to hopefully let other people contribute so I can feel better about my solve. Pooky and Datisi I'm sure you'll eventually get over your spat.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:01 am

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okay fair but my point still stands - you figured out i was town so you should know a reaction like this is nowhere out of my townrange

so the fact you come in apparently that sure i'm scum ain't a good look
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:03 am

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In post 134, Datisi wrote:okay fair but my point still stands - you figured out i was town so you should know a reaction like this is nowhere out of my townrange

so the fact you come in apparently that sure i'm scum ain't a good look
i figured out you were town because of the vehemence of the way you shitpushed me
RIGHT AFTER YOU SAW ME PLAY SCUM



if you're town here,

you were setting me up to get elimmed today before you even knew what T3's alignment was
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:11 am

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In post 131, Dwlee99 wrote:you'd literally hand scum the game if they selected two townies every night phase and you yeeted on a guilty.
Sure, the math definitely changes now that scum knows what everyone thinks. I still think it's more likely that scum tried to WIFOM (especially because selecting you as a townie is kinda ?)
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:12 am

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Pooky why are you appealing to datisi, isn't he supposed to be scum?
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:12 am

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Okay I'm back because I was talked to. I agree scum are done because they've now enabled me to get a PoE pool of 6 people and I'm pretty sure it's solved unless you faked that townslip.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:12 am

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Dumb* EBWOP
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:15 am

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In post 135, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if you're town here,

you were setting me up to get elimmed today before you even knew what T3's alignment was
??? no i wasn't??? i was ready to locktown you if t3 flipped red lol???
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:27 am

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In post 137, Infinity 324 wrote:Pooky why are you appealing to datisi, isn't he supposed to be scum?
there's no 100% certainties in this game.

Just different layers of thought.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:51 am

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In post 52, Datisi wrote:ok hear me out
we yeet the obvious quickhammering scum first
then we use info tomorrow

VOTE: pooky

actually dwlee might as well be scum too because the "ok e-1 this" and "wAiT wAs tHaT HaMmEr" are kinda awful actually but whatever
this sounds like a fake response.
In post 53, Dwlee99 wrote:Clidd is conftown and infinity is weird champ for suggesting that we just kill me based on probability. I don't even know if the math is right but I have to double check it.
How is clidd is confirmed town?
In post 60, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Arcangel9
Hard gut vote here.
Your gut is big pile of poop. :lol:
In post 67, Dwlee99 wrote:Explain pooky!scum other than quickhammer
All quick hammers players are not scum.
In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:But if he quickhammered scum you'd call him town?
Actually people have done that in the past including some scum itself. its called bussing.
In post 72, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 27, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait that was hammer omg
This reads so fake to me

I think scum risked trying to get an inno onto dwlee because they knew that vote looked bad and that dwlee would be targeted for it. Agree that clidd is likely the townie they added because otherwise they are giving a guilty away

Let me do some math
I don't understand why and how clidd is a town here?
In post 74, Dwlee99 wrote:Murdercat is second scum. Arcangel/Murdercat/?? We wait to see.
What??? :mad:
In post 75, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh also cause I'm pretty sure angel is scum and pooky is town.
So you moved from gut to pretty sure in about 5 posts. Pro scum hunting skills. :lol:
In post 78, Pavowski wrote:Maths make me nervous. They're great but ignore the psychological element

2 questions I have:

1) if Pooky is scum why is he so cavalier about it. The quickhammer sucks but it doesn't guarantee scum to me

2) would mafia use a check on their own to hide in plain sight or put the true/false thing on two townies?

Gut says Pooky is scum but I'm very curious why Dwlee is convinced Pooky is town
I second this. You got two perfect valid points.
In post 80, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 77, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 65, Dwlee99 wrote:Angel is my vote because I think her reaction coming into today was bad
say more then
She has one post lol
And within my one post, you're pretty sure I am scum.

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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:52 am

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Okay popping in again to say that angel is literally just OMGUSing me right now and I'm not even voting her anymore anyway
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:53 am

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In post 47, Umlaut wrote:Dwlee99 is guilty or clidd is innocent
Also this is how clidd is conftown
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:07 am

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In post 131, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 128, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 126, Dwlee99 wrote:If clidd was the real result then my result is complete noise. My alignment would have nothing to do with whether I got guilty or town.
I went through the math but like

It's very unlikely for town to get a mafia result. Even if clidd is the true result you still will more often than not get a town result.
37.5% of the time I get a guilty when it's being randed. Yes "more often than not" but you'd literally hand scum the game if they selected two townies every night phase and you yeeted on a guilty.
This is why I think it's a mistake to assume mafia is just targeting town with the checks.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:17 am

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Can you explain that a bit more?

I agree that mafia wouldn't necessarily just target town, but I'm not sure how you get that from what dwlee is saying
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:22 am

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In post 146, Infinity 324 wrote:Can you explain that a bit more?

I agree that mafia wouldn't necessarily just target town, but I'm not sure how you get that from what dwlee is saying
I'm saying that I agree with what Dwlee is saying, that if we eliminate the guilty people in the checks, *assuming the mafia is targeting only town*, we'll lose.

But we all know this, which is why I don't think the assumption that mafia is only targeting town is a safe one.

Does that help? I'm not sure it helped me.
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:26 am

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Yeah that makes sense.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:21 am

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