Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

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I was unwnd, Egix, and Something_Smart in your games. Was hoping to keep those secret but ah well, just keep it within this game. Otherwise, no

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[T3]

Lukewarm scumreading me this game is a huge scumtell.

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he's giving me a fighting chance, he knows i cant actually toxic 1v1

You haven't even done a kodak moment thus far, that's either scum or town intentionally playing poorly

Lukewarm scumreading me this game is a huge scumtell.

How so?

meta

[T3]

So far I would lean against voting any of Ydrasse, Lukewarm, Child

I am happy voting Infinity at the moment. Applying the "towny" label to what I did with Ydrasse is not wrong but is very presumptive. I would consider Johnny or T3, too.

T3's start with Lukewarm was bizarre as T3 hadn't posted and Luke hadn't said anything about T3. Not sure if that was a joke or what.

Kind of a joke.

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So, why am I being voted for for being one of like three people to joke about a guy declaring a 1v1 and then declaring v/la right after that?

I don't think your joking about the 1v1 was bad, but this defense is just bad ^ VOTE: Child of Fairies

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So, why am I being voted for for being one of like three people to joke about a guy declaring a 1v1 and then declaring v/la right after that?

I don't think your joking about the 1v1 was bad, but this defense is just bad ^ VOTE: Child of Fairies

VOTE: T3

Framing this as a defense rather than a question is somewhat odd

Why me fry me.

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That post reminds me of something I'd post as town because I'm a nervous person, but I lean scum on it I guess?

This post also pings me as scum but idk why.

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VOTE: Infinity 324

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I think prism's play recently fits much more cleanly into a scum trying to look town mindset, but to call it scummy would be a stretch.

I might be misunderstanding this, but you say it is scum but it's not scummy?

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Ah, got it. UNVOTE: Infinity 324

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Yeah. I think a scumtell of mine is actually giving reasoning when voting someone but that doesn't matter right now.

VOTE: Child

[T3]

Infinity 324
Fidget
Child of Fairies
T3
Ydrasse
JohnnyFarrar
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Lukewarm
Prism

I probably pulled the trigger too early on giving Ydrasse a townread tbh, need to stop falling for those vibes. She's closer to null after rereading. Dashes are the null line

The progression between here and the next readlist on Lukewarm seems towny. I played with prism in DEFCON so I'll look over her ISO there. At this point I don't scumread Prism by play in this game.

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VOTE: Johnny
Let's pressure this.

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TOwn: Lukewarm, Fidet, Prism
Lean towm: Infinity
Null, Ydrasse, Child, Hectic
Scum: Johnny

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These past few pages have made prism a stronger townread for me.

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half the game being vla....
UNVOTE: Johnny
I'm going to give this a reread.

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I don't totally get the case against Prism.

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Johhny, Faries, and Prism are my top 3 scum after a reread.

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I don't totally get the case against Prism.

Johhny, Faries, and Prism are my top 3 scum after a reread.

What changed in this 14 min game here?

Like what did you see in the reread that you missed the first time?

Mainly the not engaging properly with Infinity pinged me. My gut is telling me Prism is town though.

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VOTE: johnnyfarrar

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Honestly Prisms last few posts have pinged me as town, not sure why though. At this point with johnny on vla I'll hope he comes back and obvtowns because I don't want to lim this slot while he's on vla.

VOTE: child

I'll hammer Prism if the only thing stopping me from voting her is my gut and the general consensus is she is scum but fror now I'd rather not.

[T3]

T3/Johnny - Scumlean both for similar reasons, high vote count to low content ratio. There's very little in T3's iso that isn't just a vote or an agreement with whatever the page consensus is, which also leads to a fair amount of flipflopping ("I don't totally get the case on Prism > my top 3 scum are Johnny Child Prism > My gut is telling me Prism is town" in 3 posts in a row in his iso is certainly something). T3 reads opportunistic scum to me, but since everybody else seems to be content to have him as a backburner read right now I don't see much of an incentive to try and push on him.

same with Johnny to a lesser degree because he's pretty much not here right now and I'd rather wait for him to come back or the slot to be force replaced so we can properly sort him rather than quickelimming, which helps nobody but scum as it denies town any sort of possible information. There just isn't really much of anything to say about him until he comes back, so here we are.

Prism - Scumlean. This isn't meant to be a post about Prism so I'll keep it short but aside from what I've already said I think the threat to self-hammer, followed by bringing up a game where she did self-hammer as town to clear herself, and then following that by saying she won't self-hammer here makes me feel like she's got a role that can't and she's just trying to bluff to take the heat off of her.

Oh, to conclude, I feel that reading "Votes often and has a low amount of content" as "opportunistic" is a bit underwhelming. Although we can talk about it. I don't think T3's obvious inconsistency with regards to the "I don't totally get the case on Prism > my top 3 scum are Johnny Child Prism > My gut is telling me Prism is town" is scum indicative at all. If you want to call it opportunistic, you've got to establish the scum motivation for making those posts.

I'm not so sure there is one, but you know town can be wildly inconsistent. Calling it "opportunistic" and calling it a day feels like a disservice.

Johnny I pretty much agree though. Not enough.

Not so sure on the Prism logic, I guess I'm not familiar with that part of the game enough though. I feel like that's likely a pretty small portion of her play to get your strongest scumread off of, though.

I can explain what I meant tere.
At first, I didn't getthe case on Prism. I then reread, and thoughtthat by play she was scummy. Then I added on that by gut I felt she was towny.

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The amount of times I have been scumread for being oppotunistic as town lol

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so we have no associatives until it's too late, right? everything is up to dayplay. after our first two elims, we will know if one of them is town or all of them is town because the game has not ended yet right?

There are still flips.

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I'm fine with where my vote is rn but it's very close to the deadline.

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Vote Count 1.12

[2] Child of Fairies: T3, Hectic
[2] humaneatingmonkey: Infinity 324, Prism
[1] Hectic: Lukewarm
[1] Infinity 324: humaneatingmonkey
[0] Prism:
[0] Fidget:
[0] T3:
[0] Ydrasse:
[0] Lukewarm:

Not voting: Fidget, Ydrasse, Child of Fairies

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-06-13 21:58:45).

Mod Notes:
- Fidget and Ydrasse have been prodded

This but Luke is voting hem.

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Vote Count 1.12

[2] Child of Fairies: T3, Hectic
[2] humaneatingmonkey: Infinity 324, Prism
[1] Hectic: Lukewarm
[1] Infinity 324: humaneatingmonkey
[0] Prism:
[0] Fidget:
[0] T3:
[0] Ydrasse:
[0] Lukewarm:

Not voting: Fidget, Ydrasse, Child of Fairies

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-06-13 21:58:45).

Mod Notes:
- Fidget and Ydrasse have been prodded

This but Luke is voting hem.

If someone puts hem at e1 I'll hammer.

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hem is towntelling, but if hem is town then-

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VOTE: hem
Limming a townread is better than no elim because we still have astump.

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VOTE: child

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Wait I think the deadline is at 10:10 from what I remember. I'll check.

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Fidget has been replaced by skitter30, please welcome them!
24 hours has been added to the deadline.
Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-06-15 02:42:54).

Oh.

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Deadline is soon. I'll hammer.
VOTE: hem

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I'm not at all confident that this is gonna flip scum >.>

Same, but we're near the deadline and really it's fine because of stumps.

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*chops hem in half*

Congrats you're now a stump.

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that said please flip scum oh god

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This games going to be something dumb like child/skitter i think

I read infinity’s soul just now

I dislike this, and why isnt hectic scum

early d1

Ok do u wanna elaborate or

No i dislike it because:
- i dont understand what changed ror infinity between last night and this morning
- think child is p townie and dont really get the scumreads there
- not sure why everyone is townreading hectic

I vibe sr hrectic but his read progressionis good and by play is towny so idk.

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Vote Count 1.Final

[5] humaneatingmonkey: Prism, Hectic, Infinity 324, Lukewarm, T3

[1] Hectic: skitter30
[0] skitter30:
[0] Child of Fairies:
[0] Prism:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] T3:
[0] Ydrasse:
[0] Lukewarm:

Not voting: Ydrasse, Child of Fairies, humaneatingmonkey

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Mod Notes:
- Child of Fairies is V/LA until the 15th

VOTE: ydrasse

[T3]

well i currently have a question as to why @ t3

ill post my thoughts about this game when i’m home i thought minimally about it

Eod vc.

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skitter scum I don't think pushes outside of the easy poe bit I might be wrong because she defended hem.
Child was on vla I'd ratherhear from them once it ends.
Leaving ydra.

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Scum me doesn't gut tr prism and not hammer her and then hammer my scumbuddy.

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I think I'm being dumb.
VOTE: skitter

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Tbh this is just paranoia that can be addressed later if skitter isn't scum.

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I think I'm being dumb.
VOTE: skitter

go on

@t3

Tring hem tbh

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I think sn is probably town.

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Noraa, you seriously think Lukewarm scum will very visibly tr me the entire game andthen do a 180 tomorrow? Nah.
VOTE: noraa

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i think you made some very cogent points there and my understanding of how likely child was to go through was mistaken
sorry for derailing eveyrone >.>

i'm still not 100% sure why ydra was townread so strongly tho

Mainly because of not caring about the game I think.

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What makes me pause is noraas emotion, almost.

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Prism infinity luke town
sn hectic probably town but paranoaia would lim
noraa scum

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After the hem flips Prism Luke and Infinity moved to basically locktown. Hectic feels lowkey gut scum but by play town. All sns posts have pinged me as weakly town.

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lol the scumteam actually was obvious