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Post Post #2350 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:28 am

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In post 2346, Andresvmb wrote:These are the posts. And I really doubt anybody in the Scum thought oh there’s totally a Neighbor Gunsmith in the game. Like what. So either Anya was RB’ed (unlikely), or petapan was Rolestopped (which might make them Scum, and that’s a possibility).
Again, it could be SSBM having a scum power and going for the assumption.
It could also be a town blocking Anya and feeling like a proper lemon!
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Post Post #2351 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:29 am

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But it does matter I think for the rest of us that don’t actually know, because there is the potential here for a bit of a mechanical 1v1 that opens the game and you’re denying it I don’t know why.
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Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:30 am

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In post 2350, VFP wrote:
In post 2346, Andresvmb wrote:These are the posts. And I really doubt anybody in the Scum thought oh there’s totally a Neighbor Gunsmith in the game. Like what. So either Anya was RB’ed (unlikely), or petapan was Rolestopped (which might make them Scum, and that’s a possibility).
Again, it could be SSBM having a scum power and going for the assumption.
It could also be a town blocking Anya and feeling like a proper lemon!
Would you have blocked Anya there? I guess I shouldn’t assume since it really is difficult to figure out some choices people make, but still.
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Post Post #2353 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:30 am

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In post 2351, Andresvmb wrote:But it does matter I think for the rest of us that don’t actually know, because there is the potential here for a bit of a mechanical 1v1 that opens the game and you’re denying it I don’t know why.
There's no mechanical anything. Anya is just obviously telling the truth about her role.
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #2354 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:30 am

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In post 2349, Dwlee99 wrote:What I am saying is that the progression on Anya's results indicates to me that at the very least she is not lying about not getting a results pm. I believe that she 1. Tried to target Peta and 2. Was unsuccessful because why would scum claim that result unless they knew it was true. It doesn't make sense for scum to do that. I think, that at the very least, Anya is a 2-shot announcing voyeur. If you think that is a scum's role then okay I guess but I do not. Her progression proves to me that her role claim is not fake.
This is probably true to be fair.
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Post Post #2355 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:30 am

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In post 13, Anya wrote:i'm a mason but no one else is in the topic is it possible to have only 1?
i thought masons had no power. .
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Post Post #2356 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:31 am

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In post 2352, Andresvmb wrote:Would you have blocked Anya there? I guess I shouldn’t assume since it really is difficult to figure out some choices people make, but still.
Well I won't admit it now if I did...
If I did it, I'm begging the mod to claim I targeted myself to keep face.
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Post Post #2357 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:32 am

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no result means blocked . in this setup i wouldn't be surprised.
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Post Post #2358 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:32 am

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In post 2353, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2351, Andresvmb wrote:But it does matter I think for the rest of us that don’t actually know, because there is the potential here for a bit of a mechanical 1v1 that opens the game and you’re denying it I don’t know why.
There's no mechanical anything. Anya is just obviously telling the truth about her role.
If she didn’t get a result, there’s a reason for it. Either petapan / cyrus is lying about their role (and they’re Ascetic), or someone was RB’ed/RS’ed. That’s what I’m hinting at.

Can someone quote me cyrus’ claim again?
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Post Post #2359 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:32 am

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In post 2355, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 13, Anya wrote:i'm a mason but no one else is in the topic is it possible to have only 1?
i thought masons had no power. .
Anya isn't a Mason.
Anya is claiming Mason Jr with a power (neibour)

But Masons can have powers.
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Post Post #2360 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:33 am

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In post 2291, cyrus62 wrote:town vengeful combind vig babysiter. sounds awesome . its like given me a shotgun.
This right? Okay I’m going to admit, it’s a ridiculous Role.
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Post Post #2361 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:34 am

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In post 2358, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2353, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2351, Andresvmb wrote:But it does matter I think for the rest of us that don’t actually know, because there is the potential here for a bit of a mechanical 1v1 that opens the game and you’re denying it I don’t know why.
There's no mechanical anything. Anya is just obviously telling the truth about her role.
If she didn’t get a result, there’s a reason for it. Either petapan / cyrus is lying about their role (and they’re Ascetic), or someone was RB’ed/RS’ed. That’s what I’m hinting at.

Can someone quote me cyrus’ claim again?
Yeah sure and I think that happened based on how Anya's progression looks.
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #2362 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:34 am

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In post 2230, cyrus62 wrote:
In post 2227, Vaxkiller wrote:petapan didnt claim ascetic that is.

cyrus are you ascetic?
laughs no not at all . but tell me if given a choice when you die who would you take with you?
In post 2251, cyrus62 wrote:again i ask every one now . who would you take with you if given a choice?
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In post 2252, VFP wrote:
In post 2251, cyrus62 wrote:again i ask every one now . who would you take with you if given a choice?
You.
haha doesnt work that way. as for scum . know this if you kill me tonight dpg dies to.
In post 2259, cyrus62 wrote:ok now im on vfp if i die. so if you kill me tonight vfp dies to.
In post 2263, cyrus62 wrote:no i said im babysiting later no clime.
In post 2265, cyrus62 wrote:yes lim me and watch what happens evil smile.
In post 2267, cyrus62 wrote:say bye bye to me and vfp.
In post 2272, cyrus62 wrote:maybe im both
In post 2274, cyrus62 wrote:i am tvcbv
In post 2275, cyrus62 wrote:so as said a vote for me is a vote for vfp
There you go Andre.
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Post Post #2363 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:34 am

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But, wasn’t petapan the one that was coming out about how we shouldn’t make assumptions about roles because the Mod likes combined roles?
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Post Post #2364 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:35 am

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I just… why would the Vig/Babysitter/Vengeful ever come out and claim it? That makes no sense either. And they weren’t close to being executed at all.
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Post Post #2365 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:36 am

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In post 2363, Andresvmb wrote:But, wasn’t petapan the one that was coming out about how we shouldn’t make assumptions about roles because the Mod likes combined roles?
Yes. So that favours Peter as town I guess?
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Post Post #2366 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:36 am

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In post 2364, Andresvmb wrote:I just… why would the Vig/Babysitter/Vengeful ever come out and claim it? That makes no sense either. And they weren’t close to being executed at all.
It's not.vig.
They are claiming vengeful babysitter.
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Post Post #2367 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:37 am

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In post 495, petapan wrote:so, with regard to setup stuff, i would recommend looking at the roles in gypyx's previous two normal games:

mini 2169: random facts
mini 2180: fake peoples

gypyx is probably the most distinctive mod working in the normal queue right now, in that he really likes to play around with modifiers and combined roles and have atypical power distributions in his setups. expect claims to be wacky bullshit. here's a list of the town PRs in those games (avert your eyes here if you're DGB):

Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop
Role Watcher Neighbor
Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Vengeful
Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante

Town Roaming Detective
Town Backup Roleblocker
Town Lazy Odd-night Tracker Even-night Motion Detector
Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor
Town Disloyal Hider

in mini 2180, my scumteam was very easily able to exploit people making bad assumptions about the setup balance in order to get easy eliminations ("surely there aren't two investigative roles in the setup, right? that's too much town power"). i want to make sure that doesn't happen this game, so i'm informing people now so they don't go off making bad assumptions and getting weirded out by claims this game. you can bet your ass as scum i never out this because i'm the only one in this playerlist who's played in a game he's hosted, and keeping this sort of info hidden has significantly more benefit for scum as it allows people to make dumb assumptions about claims
Yeah here. So they were potentially angling for this?
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Post Post #2368 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:38 am

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In post 2366, VFP wrote:
In post 2364, Andresvmb wrote:I just… why would the Vig/Babysitter/Vengeful ever come out and claim it? That makes no sense either. And they weren’t close to being executed at all.
It's not.vig.
They are claiming vengeful babysitter.
Read the claim again. It does say Vig.
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Post Post #2369 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:38 am

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no im vig to when i am elim i pike some one to die at twilight with me but at night i pick some to both kill and protect the person i protect dies when i die
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Post Post #2370 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 am

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Okay that’s just Vengeful.
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Post Post #2371 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 am

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And Babysitter.
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Post Post #2372 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 am

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Cyrus can you ask the mod what your last night's action was?
I prefer they, thanks :)
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Post Post #2373 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:39 am

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In post 2368, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 2366, VFP wrote:
In post 2364, Andresvmb wrote:I just… why would the Vig/Babysitter/Vengeful ever come out and claim it? That makes no sense either. And they weren’t close to being executed at all.
It's not.vig.
They are claiming vengeful babysitter.
Read the claim again. It does say Vig.
I read the vig as the babysitter part.
I think they want to use it to kill scum not protect town...
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Post Post #2374 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:41 am

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Alright well if we take a step back. In these setups, Mods for some reason seem to like to introduce trade offs. Yeah maybe you execute Scum but you lose a PR in the process that weakens your ability to mechanically win the game or cripple the Scum Team. Is that what we have here? If Titus is Scum, peta is Town for example, executing Titus weakens our position in terms of power (and stops the Babysitter from taking down some other Scum), but brings us forward in the game.

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