Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[yessiree]

VC 2.18

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Bambi Jay (3)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman, Anastasia

LlamaFluff (2)

- Bambi Jay, T-Bone

Note voting - Kerset, Bingle, VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[Bambi Jay]

Ration says my play made no sense but I called out the entire scum team deciding to vote first. You out yourself in checkmate extending too early. That's also why you had Ana not vote me earlier. You just didn't expect me to risk a self vote to call you out.

[VFP]

I think I just favour Bingle / Kersel / Bambi.

[Bambi Jay]

Also, Llama I really do want you to ask why you aren't even trying to defend yourself anymore. Your just going "well if you think it's me just get those 2 then". Like. In what world does a townie sound like that by telling people "well you gotta elim them to PROVE it's me". Your not arguing your Innocence your arguing we can't prove your guilty.

That can work in the court of law but it doesn't work here.

[Bambi Jay]

I think I just favour Bingle / Kersel / Bambi.

And Bingle favors it being you two and me. But both you and his partners are looking into me and seeing something good.

If they were scum with me they wouldn't have to go against Llama's plan because that gives us an instant win. But we got people fighting it from BOTH of your teams. If one of you guys were my teammates we would be hard pushing to agree with this elim on them. But we aren't.

It's just Ana/RM/Llama and eliming Llama just ends it. If you want to extend the game go Ration but otherwise all I can ask is that you trust me.

[VFP]

I can see Bingle / Kersel split on the views just because your lim doesn't give anyone town credit to not be the lim.
So it's still a huge fight to win, and just both pushing would look suspicious. Same for our pair as well.

[Bambi Jay]

I don't know the full quote but there's something here that feels like occam's razor.

Which team to you makes the most sense with the least effort?

[Bambi Jay]

Like. I have officially showed my game solve and have given evidence for my case why it's those 3.

Llama hasn't even locked in my supposed scum team and is just ready to sacrafice Ana and Ration to live another day.

One of us isn't being townie here.

[VFP]

I dont re call seeing Llama saying that RM / Ana are scum though.
Only that it benefits town to lim them over Llama. Which it does.

I think either what Llama is saying is still being mis understood, or just manipulated into looking like something else.
Do you not agree that from a town side, the lim should be in Ana / RM over Llama?
This is not from what you know, but from what the pairs know. We know that Llama is only scum with Ana / RM.
From towns View in the lovers there's a 50% chance that scum you is paired with RM / Ana.

If I thought it was Llama, RM, and Ana but its actually you RM, and Ana then a lim on Llama is a loss while a lim on RM / Ana is still potential to win.
Even if it is just Llama, RM, and Ana then it takes 2 days to lim regardless of the order.

There's no benefit to vote Llama today, and even if I think scum I won't be doing so.

[Bambi Jay]

As long as we make a decision in 24 hours so I don't die to the plurality rules. Scum getting me via timeout would suck.

[T-Bone]

I can see Bingle / Kersel split on the views just because your lim doesn't give anyone town credit to not be the lim.
So it's still a huge fight to win, and just both pushing would look suspicious. Same for our pair as well.

Game ends on a miselim so getting town cred doesn't actually matter.

[T-Bone]

I also think Llama is the solve, since Llama tried to lie about Bingle's vote to town clear himself. Town doesn't need to make stuff up in an attempt to clear themselves. Re-read and tell me what you think VFP.

[LlamaFluff]

I dont re call seeing Llama saying that RM / Ana are scum though.
Only that it benefits town to lim them over Llama. Which it does.

I think either what Llama is saying is still being mis understood, or just manipulated into looking like something else.
Do you not agree that from a town side, the lim should be in Ana / RM over Llama?
This is not from what you know, but from what the pairs know. We know that Llama is only scum with Ana / RM.
From towns View in the lovers there's a 50% chance that scum you is paired with RM / Ana.

If I thought it was Llama, RM, and Ana but its actually you RM, and Ana then a lim on Llama is a loss while a lim on RM / Ana is still potential to win.
Even if it is just Llama, RM, and Ana then it takes 2 days to lim regardless of the order.

There's no benefit to vote Llama today, and even if I think scum I won't be doing so.

[LlamaFluff]

I also think Llama is the solve, since Llama tried to lie about Bingle's vote to town clear himself. Town doesn't need to make stuff up in an attempt to clear themselves. Re-read and tell me what you think VFP.

Again. And still. How am I scum without proving Ana/RM as scum first?

[Bambi Jay]

Also, Llama I really do want you to ask why you aren't even trying to defend yourself anymore. Your just going "well if you think it's me just get those 2 then". Like. In what world does a townie sound like that by telling people "well you gotta elim them to PROVE it's me". Your not arguing your Innocence your arguing we can't prove your guilty.

That can work in the court of law but it doesn't work here.

In case y'all missed it the first time. Particularly with the post above as proof.

[LlamaFluff]

Also, Llama I really do want you to ask why you aren't even trying to defend yourself anymore. Your just going "well if you think it's me just get those 2 then". Like. In what world does a townie sound like that by telling people "well you gotta elim them to PROVE it's me". Your not arguing your Innocence your arguing we can't prove your guilty.

That can work in the court of law but it doesn't work here.

In case y'all missed it the first time. Particularly with the post above as proof.

Ahhh... so its a *scum* tell to say that you cant prove that I am scum unless player X is scum first. As town here apparently I should ignore that? Its a null tell. But if you want to prove you are scum by your best argument being harping on a null tell... more power to you.

[Bambi Jay]

I mean my post isn't to convince you pal.

[LlamaFluff]

I mean my post isn't to convince you pal.

Mine isnt either. Its just to prove your point has no logical standing. There are *zero* scenarios where I am scum if RM/Ana are town. Unless you suddenly are going to present one. Squirrels before rectangles.

[Bambi Jay]

Again with Logic. Who needs something shitty like that? Emotion is better all the time. You'll actually get stuff done with it.

You can keep your logic, I got charisma and jokes and honesty.

[LlamaFluff]

Again with Logic. Who needs something shitty like that? Emotion is better all the time. You'll actually get stuff done with it.

You can keep your logic, I got charisma and jokes and honesty.

This is scum rolling over and dying. They actually cant present a situation where what I am claiming is real. You actually played really well, but regardless of alignment and anyone elses you probably should have fought the wagon shift to SS.

[LlamaFluff]

Anyways. We are at a spot where I cant be scum without RM/Ana being scum. Bambi is in a spot where it has to be RM/Ana+Me. Bambi refuses to vote RM/Ana. Bambi is scum.

[Bambi Jay]

We're in a point where Llama is continuously trying to tell town to vote out his scum partners without actually voting them himself. Llama is scum.

[LlamaFluff]

We're in a point where Llama is continuously trying to tell town to vote out his scum partners without actually voting them himself. Llama is scum.

Nope. We are in a spot where I am 100% sure that you are scum and not sure of anything else
We are also in a spot where all players apart from me know I cant be scum without RM/Ana first being scum.
You apparently refuse to vote RM/Ana because *reasons* despite it to you being 100% confirmed they are scum.

[Bambi Jay]

Well at the moment I seem to have Tbone and Kerset about to vote with me on you so I'm kinda just hoping one of their partners follow as well. That way atleast plurality works out.

If for some reason Kerset Bingle and VFP do vote there I'm instantly moving my vote there. Tommorow is my day off, so that's good timing to be here at the end countdown.

[LlamaFluff]

Again for anyone who actually is thinking of voting me... how is that a town mindset? Even more so again how am I scum when I can 100% prove that X must be true for Y to be true. Its a physical impossibility for me to be scum if Ana/RM arent first confirmed scum. There is no logical scenario where I am the vote unless you want to say I am such a good player that RM/Ana flipping scum (which makes me look bad) means I can get Bambi ran up easier to such a point that you cant risk voting RM/Ana first. Basically its just dumb. Bambi is deflecting from this scenario because its their only play.