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[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Gamma

[Andresvmb]

Also Italiano is obvTown.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Dammit Noraa, lotus is actually pulling a very sketchy move!
I’m pretty sure you didn’t see it live, so I’d advise you to go and read Vaxkiller’s posting in A Little Boonie Told Me. That pretty much a carbon copy of lotus’ behavior here in regards to how they both try to not claim.

Is this the baiting?

[Gamma Emerald]

I legitimately believed RLotus was playing similar to Vaxkiller in A Little Boonie Told Me It was up to Rlotus to prove me wrong through his actions, and he failed in that regard.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll admit my read was wrong, but it was genuine.

[samantha97]

Votecount

Free Money Free Tea [4]:

Dunnstral, ItalianoVD, MaxTheFox, Save The Dragons

Gamma Emerald [2]:

VFP, Andresvmb

Not Voting: Noraa, Free Money Free Tea, JohnnyFarrar, ssbm_Kyouko, Gamma Emerald

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-06-05 19:44:00) or when majority is reached.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

FMFT, is role A an enabler that enables a role that you believe to be more likely to go to scum than town, for example, a rolecop enabler?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

FMFT, is role A an enabler that enables a role that you believe to be more likely to go to scum than town, for example, a rolecop enabler?

Can just answer yes/no, we dont need to know which role is enabled yet

[Free Money Free Tea]

A is not an enabler.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It should be fine to claim. I was informed that part of gamma emeralds role is cop enabler. I was also infomed there is some role a in the setup but not the player or alignment. A is an unflippedrole.

Were you specifically told that his role has more to it than that, or was it not specified, or was it worded in such a way that left it open to interpretation whether his role contains more?

[Free Money Free Tea]

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote the exact wording but the way I saw it the phrasin g meant it had more to it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Dunnstral what’s on your mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I don’t think FMFT is scum atp
This radio silence makes no sense otherwise

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
I don’t like the rolefishing that went down just now.

[Dunnstral]

Hey Dunnstral what’s on your mind?

I believe I've said what's important so far

I want to add that you feel pretty partnery with FMFT right now, both based on their claim, your play around it, and both of your plays around these wagons

[VFP]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I trust Gamma

[Noraa]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I trust Gamma

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I trust Gamma

What did I say about VFP being scum guys?
He's a strong supporter of the FMFT wagon but then OOP bye bye guys lets move off this wagon.
What this means for FMFT's alignment, I'm not clear because WIFOM but I really just have not been TRing VFP at all.
I still pretty firmly believe andres is scum otherwise andres is just not playing that great given I think town him does know how to get townread. He's doing quite some AtE as well which doesn't seem like a town andres thing to do. Like I do think that town andres is overly emotional over things as well. But I just don't think town andres will *purposefully* AtE to make people feel bad about SRing him. Like his whole vibe this game has been more ... like "aw guys pls TR me I'm being towny" and not "stfu dumbass, I'm town" The town andres that I know just doesn't remind me of him! Like maybe his play style did a 180 since I last saw it or he's going through some real shit in his life but I really just think he's just scum here.

Can we actually just stop naked voting. Like town is already a lot weaker and now we're all piling on someone thats claimed pr. Who cares if they're scummy? I would rather let a maf pr go than take the risk of killing two town prs in a row????????????? I guess thinking on that, a role cop for mafia is pretty dangerous to leave around but really just given that they don't seem to give a shit about if they live, they're either noobscum or superbadtown. I feel like super bad town makes some sense here

[Noraa]

Hahahaha Noraa I love you.

I SR someone off basically nothing and this person's name isn't pooky. Why is this their first thought?????? Like I could see someone that I'm close with outside of mafia being like lol Noraa I love you but this seems so like .... scummy. It's almost like trying to AtE a vote out of me

This game has been on for 2 days and I clearly couldn’t get into it over the weekend.

feels excuse-y and self conscious over something that really isn't that important. not a strong point overall.

Anyway it’s the middle of the workday for me so I need to focus but I will be back tonight for sure. I’ll catch up, provide some thoughts. But some of that made up logic should get the scrutiny it deserves.

This is pretty null. Thought I'd mention it because its a townreadable and scum readable post which is interesting!

andres are you caught up? you seem to only post when noraa pings you

I’m reading. Now that the other game is over, I’ll give this one more time. I just don’t want Noraa to say I’m not engaging, or drive my mis-execution without me getting time to engage properly.

This is definitely AtE imo.

In any case, by accusing me of making a big deal out of something, it’s almost like you would

rather I roll over and die as Town

. Unfortunately,

I was trying to avoid straight up losing a game (which we did anyway)

, and had my focus on that.

I’m sorry I didn’t have time to go through RVS with you all

. Frankly, I tend to do far better when I can make a specific case for someone without getting pushed and reading unadulterated thoughts that don’t involve my alignment. Yeah I know you want to get thoughts from me early and that’s okay but they’re mostly garbage and my early reads tend to be bad. I keep having to say it and it’s just true.

Ugh this post bothers me the most. It's vibe is totally off. Like it is 99.99% AtE and UGH I just cant not SR it. Like I guess now, reading through his ISO, I legitimately think maybe town him is just this ... idk how to describe it at times that I just don't think AtE is a possibility for him

[Noraa]

Andres, I SL you atm. Engage me peacefully please? I don't want a shitfight with you so please just don't make this into that?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The claims by FMFT and Gamma put us in a situation where neither should be the elim toDay imo. It seems clear to me that if FMFT is town that the second informed player was not able to activate last Night. Give it some time and it will become apparent whether FMFT is town or scum. That info will also help with Gamma's alignment, unfortunately it won't tell us his alignment outright though (unless we flip a rolecop).

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I trust Gamma

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I trust Gamma

What did I say about VFP being scum guys?
He's a strong supporter of the FMFT wagon but then OOP bye bye guys lets move off this wagon.
What this means for FMFT's alignment, I'm not clear because WIFOM but I really just have not been TRing VFP at all.
I still pretty firmly believe andres is scum otherwise andres is just not playing that great given I think town him does know how to get townread. He's doing quite some AtE as well which doesn't seem like a town andres thing to do. Like I do think that town andres is overly emotional over things as well. But I just don't think town andres will *purposefully* AtE to make people feel bad about SRing him. Like his whole vibe this game has been more ... like "aw guys pls TR me I'm being towny" and not "stfu dumbass, I'm town" The town andres that I know just doesn't remind me of him! Like maybe his play style did a 180 since I last saw it or he's going through some real shit in his life but I really just think he's just scum here.

Can we actually just stop naked voting. Like town is already a lot weaker and now we're all piling on someone thats claimed pr. Who cares if they're scummy? I would rather let a maf pr go than take the risk of killing two town prs in a row????????????? I guess thinking on that, a role cop for mafia is pretty dangerous to leave around but really just given that they don't seem to give a shit about if they live, they're either noobscum or superbadtown. I feel like super bad town makes some sense here

VFP also voted me earlier
So yeah, the progression seems all over the place.

[MaxTheFox]

Well I am trying to provide content. It's hard to use the knowledge I have from reading games. It's like that meme with the two books.

Lukewarm was pretty quiet IIRC, maybe the mafia was hunting power roles?

VFP is my current SR. He is very jumpy and his posts just seem gross to me. VOTE: VFP

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Dunnstral what’s on your mind?

I believe I've said what's important so far

I want to add that you feel pretty partnery with FMFT right now, both based on their claim, your play around it, and both of your plays around these wagons

This post also feels problematic
I’m pretty sure Dunnstral has seen this exact play from town!me, so to suspect it like this with little extra reason provided is concerning.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: VFP
Looking at the recent vote count, their “trust” in me makes no sense.

[Noraa]

Ok idk who's town here and half the reason is because no matter who pushes what, immediately other people start moving to that wagon. its so damn hard to not just think all of these later thoughts that just switch from nothing aren't artificial as hell. Can we all just have our own reads or something?

Idk im so frustrated by this game in a way that I've never felt. Like normally I get annoyed because I find town but they don't agree with me or I find scum and no one agrees with me. But here I feel like no one has their own opinions and I don't even know what I'm doing. I literally need to bounce ideas off of other people, hear new opinions, and interact to figure out if my read is right. Here I just feel like I'm bouncing ideas off a mirror and that doesn't help me!!!!

Like I vote Lotus. People just mindlessly follow and now we have our top pr dead!!!
I really don't trust in my reads and someone literally needs to just keep arguing with my reads for me to think more!!!!!!!!!!!!

T.T don't follow my votes oml bc then if it ends up town I end up thinking its my faulttttt

I've never wished I was scum more than now tbh. Ugh life sucks.