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[armlx]

armix which do you feel more strongly about and why?

Gecko is the better first lynch, as if he isn't scum your defense of him is less indicative of you being scum, and that's the main issue with your play.

[afatchic]

armix which do you feel more strongly about and why?

Gecko is the better first lynch, as if he isn't scum your defense of him is less indicative of you being scum, and that's the main issue with your play.

I feel as if my comments have been getting taken the wrong way, so i am going to try and clarify this one last time. i feel that gecko's defense has been scummy since he started getting pressure, however with the lack of participation from quite a few players, i don't think it is a good idea to focus only on him, or try to lynch him at thsi point.

[armlx]

The issue with that is you keep trying to defend someone you say you think is scummy from being lynched. See the contradiction?

[afatchic]

The issue with that is you keep trying to defend someone you say you think is scummy from being lynched. See the contradiction?

right now he does seem scummiest, but i don't think we are ready for the lynch since half the people aren't playing. if we had full participation and were where we are now i would probably support it, but as it stands i think we need some replacements or something first

[armlx]

There's a difference between what you are doing, and what you are saying you are trying to do.

You are saying "EVERYONE STOP THE WAGON LOOK LURKERS ONE MIGHT BE SCUMMY!" and other wagon derailing things.

What is appropriate is "We should hold off on dropping the hammer until we can hear the opinions of X, Y, and Z, who haven't posted much"

[ZazieR]

I can see what armlx is saying here.
But afatchic, do you see Geckoj as scum or not?

[afatchic]

yeah i guess i can see what you are saying, however i meant it like the second one. i just didn't like how hard his wagon was being pushed considering everything, just felt like scum pushing it.
zaz- i see him as scummier than most of the rest, however i am not going to say he is scum, since i barely have reads on many other people.

[ZazieR]

Then explain me why you call him scum in the next quotes:

armlx wrote:
You asked how you are trying to derail his wagon earlier? See your last 2 posts.


im not stopping his wagon by any means. as far as i can tell he is still at L-2. if your case is good enough then it shouldn't matter if i talk about something other than gecko for a little while. and in my last two posts i am saying pay attention to other people, it feels as if you are not paying attention to them. just in case you didn't know, you probably caught one scum, but there are still two more.

armlx wrote:
Uhh... wanting to stall his lynch and saying look at other people is the same as defending him.....

nope just trying to correct yall, don't need to play with tunnel vision. and yeah i said look at other people because there are still two other scum.

armlx wrote:
Quote:

nope just trying to correct yall, don't need to play with tunnel vision. and yeah i said look at other people because there are still two other scum.



Except both of those are things that do the same thing as protecting him does.....


fine i was protecting him by trying to find other scum... is that better for ya

Offtopic. Stupid error

[armlx]

I'm interested, how was the wagon being pushed super hard?

[afatchic]

I'm interested, how was the wagon being pushed

super

hard?

i fixed your quote, stop twisting it around to make it easier to attack, same goes for you zazier.

i would consider it hard when i get attacked for going against the wagon, so yeah i think it is being pushed hard.

right now im going to

VOTE: zazier

for meta reasoning. i have played a few other games with her, where she has been town i believe, and her play style has been more pro-town those games than she is here, which leads me to believe she may have a scum role here.

[armlx]

You aren't being attacked for going against the wagon in general, its precisely how you are doing it (saying look elsewhere without making a case, the whole "He's scummy but don't lynch him" issue, etc)

[afatchic]

zazier- why exactly are you voting me?

[afatchic]

I do my PBPA when there's a big wagon and someone is about to be lynched.

gecko.... get to it

Personally thinking gecko is scum and no need to do a pbpa.

can you give some reasons and examples why or anything?

[Sineish]

geckoj- role claiming is a big help, for both sides. i.e.

if you have a power role and are about to be lynched, then its in the towns best interest for you to claim

so that we can try to find another candidate to lynch and not shoot ourselves in the foot by lynching a power role D1. and yes there is a chance you may be NK'ed tonight if you claim, unless a doc saves you, if you don't claim then you get lynched in the day, either way you die so

its best to claim in the day

and help out the town.
...
i haven't liked any of the defense that you have provided or how you have acted once under pressure, im going to give you the chance to

role claim now.

UNVOTE Vote Thegeckoj

Now claim.

Looking back, this now looks to me like an instruction to claim a power role.

Then, after thegeckoj claims Townie, afatchic reacts with:

Unvote.
its wifom but i believe that scum right there would have tried to fish for a counterclaim.

It also feels a little like disappointment that no power-role was claimed.

If this is correct, I can only think of 2 reasons:

Either afatchic and thegeckoj are both scum and afatchic is doing his best to try to save him,
Or afatchic is scum on a power-role hunt.

I think thegeckoj can now wait for tomorrow.

Vote: afatchic

@mod:

I'm pretty sure that retrowiz is also voting for afatchic, as he voted for Gamma in post 76.

[killa seven]

LOl and he was all over me for suggesting a claim.

[retrowiz]

I'm interested, how was the wagon being pushed super hard?

I agree with Armlx in regards to vote for who is scummy regardless of lurkers, but at the same time...we need other players active day 1, so we can have better read for day 2.

also...Armlx...why did ya say "super hard" seems like you were implying he said it was...which he didn't (as my read goes)

[ZazieR]

Afatchic, ever heard of 'reading posts'. I know it's hard, but I explained already why I voted you. To make it easier for you, a quick summary.

-The 'Don't look at him. He has scummy posts, but there are players which have been quiet who deserve our attention as well.' posts.

-In one of your last posts, you say that you're not going to say he's scum, which you did say in other posts.

-Post 274, of which I gave comments about already.

New argument is post 363. Sineish has bolded a good part although he forgot a bit to bold:

afatchic [258] (bolding mine)(underlining mine) wrote:
geckoj- role claiming is a big help, for both sides. i.e.

if you have a power role and are about to be lynched, then its in the towns best interest for you to claim

so that we can try to find another candidate to lynch and not shoot ourselves in the foot by lynching a power role D1

. and yes there is a chance you may be NK'ed tonight if you claim, unless a doc saves you, if you don't claim then you get lynched in the day, either way you die so its best to claim in the day and help out the town.
...
i haven't liked any of the defense that you have provided or how you have acted once under pressure, im going to give you the chance to

role claim now.

UNVOTE Vote Thegeckoj

Now claim.

Why are you so sure, that when he had claimed a powerrole, that he actually was one and not a lying scum?

Besides, you're playing different as well.
I've two games in which I've been killed now. Look at them and the games that we are playing together. You'll see many differences in them as I'm trying to figure out which style fits me and could be the most useful.

[armlx]

also...Armlx...why did ya say "super hard" seems like you were implying he said it was...which he didn't (as my read goes)

It was his implication as well. Pushing a wagon to the point is seems scum driven implies super hard.

[afatchic]

fine as you wish i will do a little reading, which i already did before i asked the question.
in post 283 you say this...

I can agree with A), but where did you see the part of the L-1?

yet only two of your posts later you do this...

Also that last question is weird. I don't like your threat of hammering or that someone else will hammer. Therefor I'll

unvote

although I still see Geckoj as scummiest and I'll

vote afatchic

in the first post you say that you don't get the part about me hammering at L-1, yet before anyone else tries to explain, you all of the sudden are like yeah i get it now, vote fatty. and can you explain where i said i would hammer at, since this seems to be your main reason of voting me according to this posts.
now can you explain the sudden change, because to me it seems like you took an easy opportunity to vote me.

and i know him claiming a power role would have probably been a lie, however in an open game we know there are power roles, so it would have been countered.

[Doktor Per]

Also, I would like to add, if Gecko doesn't get lynched, I will be extremely surprised. The sucker was dead the moment the wagon started.

What makes you say this?

Everything Gecko said since the wagon started.

[killa seven]

fine as you wish i will do a little reading, which i already did before i asked the question.
in post 283 you say this...

I can agree with A), but where did you see the part of the L-1?

yet only two of your posts later you do this...

Also that last question is weird. I don't like your threat of hammering or that someone else will hammer. Therefor I'll

unvote

although I still see Geckoj as scummiest and I'll

vote afatchic

in the first post you say that you don't get the part about me hammering at L-1, yet before anyone else tries to explain, you all of the sudden are like yeah i get it now, vote fatty. and can you explain where i said i would hammer at, since this seems to be your main reason of voting me according to this posts.
now can you explain the sudden change, because to me it seems like you took an easy opportunity to vote me.

and i know him claiming a power role would have probably been a lie, however in an open game we know there are power roles, so it would have been countered

.

Um have you read post 2 by korts?

[afatchic]

K7 yeah what about it.

[ZazieR]

Is it just me, or did you pick the wrong post? That was my post which asked a question to armlx. That wasn't the post aimed at post 274. This was my response to it:

First of all, he includes WIFOM which is his main reason for unvoting. I've seen some games now and scum uses different approaches, so WIFOM is really bad to use.

Also, I don't like sentence 2. First of all the part of 'someone else will agree'. It seems like he wants Geckoj lynched, but wants someone else to do it. Second, would be that he will jump right back on. This could be seen as opportunism.

This was later added by armlx:

That's part of it. The other part is that he's saying he is A) giving gecko a free pass on his earlier actions, as he's "bound to make another slip", and B) saying

he will hammer only when Gecko is at L-1

, aka primo bus time as a lynch is pretty much assured.

These are the comments about that post of yours. The quote you took from me was aimed at this part as you can see in the bolded part.

Also you are confusing me now. At post 368 you said that Geckoj would probably have lied if he had claimed a powerrole, but in my quote of post 366, you said that you would believe him. What did you really mean?

You haven't explained something yet. Look at the first sentence of post 357.

[MafiaSSK]

I do my PBPA when there's a big wagon and someone is about to be lynched.

gecko.... get to it

Personally thinking gecko is scum and no need to do a pbpa.

can you give some reasons and examples why or anything?

Just overall vibe.

[armlx]

Blatant misrep by afatchic. Nice.