Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Bingle]

I’d like other people to look at our interactions and see if they see the same thing.

I don't see it.

Your opinion is uniquely meaningless to me, but thank you.

[VFP]

I actually want to see where SS votes.

[LlamaFluff]

i dont think that SS declared sr on us but ok

Well that is where his vote is.

Either way can you explain what your reads of the VT vote scenario is? I would like to actually hear it from everyone. Two lover pairs seem to be coalescing on a third, yet no VT seems willing to go there.

[Kerset]

Either way can you explain what your reads of the VT vote scenario is?

VT vote scenario? What is it?

[yessiree]

VC 1.23

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Kerset (3)

- T-Bone, Bambi Jay, VFP

T-Bone (2)

- Bingle, RationalMadman

Bambi Jay (1)

- Kerset

Bingle (1)

- Something_Smart

Anastasia (1)

- LlamaFluff

Note Voting - Anastasia

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-25 22:00:00)

[Something_Smart]

@SS did you read the requested iso?

Not yet

I'll see if I can tonight.

[Bingle]

Uhhh bruh you brush me off. Don't even try to play the 'T-Bone isn't working with me whaaaa' when literally that's what I've been doing this entire day phase. Even though yes Kerset is scummy, nonetheless I've been working you (and to a much lesser extent Kerset) to help my understanding of the game, and I often got dishonesty in response...which you've just done again in this post.

Yeah... see here’s the rub. You keep saying this. I keep looking back and not seeing it. This leaves me with two possibilities. I’m entirely misreading things or my impressions are right. I asked SS for an opinion trying not to color his analysis, but we’re running out of time and as things stand I’m about to die and be proven town.

FMPOV town you absolutely wants me to get external opinions to look at the interactions because town you thinks you come across as good in them.

[Kerset]

This I don't understand because functionally if we hit deadline Kerset/Bingle are eliminated.

If i move my vote to you then we are tied, so don't be so perky.

[T-Bone]

Uhhh bruh you brush me off. Don't even try to play the 'T-Bone isn't working with me whaaaa' when literally that's what I've been doing this entire day phase. Even though yes Kerset is scummy, nonetheless I've been working you (and to a much lesser extent Kerset) to help my understanding of the game, and I often got dishonesty in response...which you've just done again in this post.

Yeah... see here’s the rub. You keep saying this. I keep looking back and not seeing it. This leaves me with two possibilities. I’m entirely misreading things or my impressions are right. I asked SS for an opinion trying not to color his analysis, but we’re running out of time and as things stand I’m about to die and be proven town.

FMPOV town you absolutely wants me to get external opinions to look at the interactions because town you thinks you come across as good in them.

SS notwithstanding since he replaced in, none of the VTs hold this opinion so I think I'm doing a pretty good job at looking town so far?

But like you continue to say some version of "T-Bone is scumreading Kerset for trying to game solve" and that's patently not true. And that, to me, is dishonest, and why I keep saying as such. You don't attempt to see it from my point of view, you just preach to the rest of the players and try to imply I'm doing something I'm not.

So I feel like if you're actually town, yeah, you have an issue. Obviously scum you is gonna keep doing what you're doing without rethinking at all (which is what I feel you're doing and why I keep saying as such to everyone else).

[T-Bone]

This I don't understand because functionally if we hit deadline Kerset/Bingle are eliminated.

If i move my vote to you then we are tied, so don't be so perky.

Oh stop. And if I was the leading wagon you'd then go "oh T-Bone is just concerned with not getting eliminated'.

It's not about you, it's about Llama.

[Kerset]

Yeah... see here’s the rub. You keep saying this. I keep looking back and not seeing it. This leaves me with two possibilities. I’m entirely misreading things or my impressions are right.

you are right, don't worry *claps the back*

[VFP]

I think Llama's right for what it's worth.

[LlamaFluff]

Either way can you explain what your reads of the VT vote scenario is?

VT vote scenario? What is it?

Both other VT claims are voting you. None of us are voting TBone/VFP. What does that mean to you for all three of the pool.

[VFP]

VOTE: Anastasia

So originally I was thinking about this the entire wrong dirtection.
I still think Vex is scum, but in the game mode pushing scum buddies as scum at any point is bad.

It's the same as saying that if me and T-bone are scum, then Bambi would have to be as well.

Vex had Ana and RM as set town basically while scum reading Bingle / Kerset and having me and T-Bone on the back burner.

These are the scum teams

RM / Ana / SS
Kerset / Bingle / Llama
Me / T-Bone / Bambi

RM talking about me as if he can read my meta game after 1 game I replaced into.
But it's not so much as having a meta read, but to go to the assumption that I don't make mistakes or miss things in games.

[Kerset]

Either way can you explain what your reads of the VT vote scenario is?

VT vote scenario? What is it?

Both other VT claims are voting you. None of us are voting TBone/VFP. What does that mean to you for all three of the pool.

That they trust Tbone a lot, because his emotions look genuine, maybe some meta similarities?, scum jumped on the opportunity and we died thanks to awful leadership (people find RM lead repealing). If all VT (with you) call Tbone town then that must be the case and we win lover pool tomorrow, so no big deal.

[Bingle]

"T-Bone is scumreading Kerset for trying to game solve"

I feel like I've been pretty clear that I think you're scumreading Kerset for trying to push the game to a place where he CAN gamesolve, which is an inherently different thing but still town motivated.

As far as the VT's: That's exactly why I'm asking the VTs. To see if their input makes me come to some sudden "Aha! This is where the miscommunication is!"


FWIW, bussing is actually probably better than normal in this game. The scum wincon is functionally "Get one scum to be locktowned, regardless of who it is."

[Bingle]

I mean... I think unless someone is being obtuse we are heading to:

Kerset/Bingle - TBone/VFP, SS, Bambi
Tbone/VFP - Kerset/Bingle, Ana/RM
Ana/RM - The hero of our story

If people dont agree with where I am putting them, they probably need to move their vote.

I think Ana actually supports a Kerset/Bingle lim, from what little I can actually pull from her ISO.

[T-Bone]

VOTE: Anastasia

So originally I was thinking about this the entire wrong dirtection.
I still think Vex is scum, but in the game mode pushing scum buddies as scum at any point is bad.

It's the same as saying that if me and T-bone are scum, then Bambi would have to be as well.

Vex had Ana and RM as set town basically while scum reading Bingle / Kerset and having me and T-Bone on the back burner.

These are the scum teams

RM / Ana / SS
Kerset / Bingle / Llama
Me / T-Bone / Bambi

RM talking about me as if he can read my meta game after 1 game I replaced into.
But it's not so much as having a meta read, but to go to the assumption that I don't make mistakes or miss things in games.

Walk me through this more love.

[T-Bone]

Sorry that came across more creepy than I intended sorry

[Bingle]

Doesnt my vote give somewhat of an idea about where my thoughts are on your pairs? As in I would rather VV/SS go, but if in lover pool... neither of you two?

I know you think both TBone and I are more likely to be town via the Ana vote, but I don't know how you parse our back and forth.

Are you just glossing over it because wall battle? Do you think I'm being dishonest as town? Do you think TBone is being dishonest as town? Do you think we're just entirely missing each other's points?

[Anastasia]

I think that your Ana is cute.

Spoiler: Melting

[Anastasia]

I think Kerset is town now

[Anastasia]

This has nothing to do with him saying nice things about me, I'm not that easy to pocket I swear.

[Anastasia]

Who am I kidding every time he says something nice to me I feel like I'm falling through the floor.

[Anastasia]

I don't want to vote for T-bone though because if T-bone flips green I'll know my Kerset is scum and I don't think I can handle that >.> <.< I just want to stay with him forever.

Can we just do the VTs first?

Like missing on the Lover Pair puts us at Lylo tommorrow with scum quickhammer available on 1 misplaced vote, but if we mis-execute on the VT side that's not really true because scum still need 2 bad votes to win.