"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
also if im town here im not going to willingly let myself die if i were to be sent to dungeon so also there's that.
there's a higher incentive to disobey for a townie which is reasonable because you will guaranteed die without a scum dying.
if 3 people are sent its a guarantee if all 3 people are town that they will live - and i would personally be ok with dying with the caveat that another player is confirmed scum from it.
its much more enjoyable for the people who are PoEd because it makes it less of a self chosen death sentence at night phase and an opportunity to become a PR, or to confirm a scum with their death.
In post 814, Chromium wrote:1 scum on dungeon: 2 dead townies. Scum aren't going to go to dungeon, and will carry the kill.
This is 2 dead townies and a cop guilty tho. That's pretty good.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
I'd rather force scum to guillo than give them a choice between being pissy and doing the guillo
ur still scum but this is an objective truth - refusing to do guillo is just a straight scumclaim and we dont need to worry about that rn because we just sleep and then lim them next day.
In post 826, Chromium wrote:also if im town here im not going to willingly let myself die if i were to be sent to dungeon so also there's that.
there's a higher incentive to disobey for a townie which is reasonable because you will guaranteed die without a scum dying.
if 3 people are sent its a guarantee if all 3 people are town that they will live - and i would personally be ok with dying with the caveat that another player is confirmed scum from it.
its much more enjoyable for the people who are PoEd because it makes it less of a self chosen death sentence at night phase and an opportunity to become a PR, or to confirm a scum with their death.
I mean yeah any plan doesn't work if people will disobey it as town.
That's an argument to not run it for this particular run of the setup but doesn't have bearing on whether it's the actual optimized play for the setup.
I'm cooperative enough to participate with any universally agreed upon plan as town even if it's not the one I prefer but I guess if you aren't that's at least one person ..
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
There is a part of the story that Isis is leaving unsaid that makes her approach to this feel townie to me and I can see why you would see her doing this as anti-town if you don't see it.
I feel like Isis is trying really hard to come up with a plan that opposes koba because she's scum.
805 - I feel like asking us to make a high risk high reward play on day 1 is wrong? For players to want to take a risk, they must feel confident in something. It's really hard to feel confident on D1 when it comes to anything.
The fact that Koba is having kickback at all when it comes to their strat is something I find interesting.
but im used to having people be stubborn on shitmechs after having played in Betrayal Mafia (lilith's game), where I laid out a perfect mech plan, explained why it is good, and people decided it is better to just do whatever they want and attacked me.
i literally laid out why mine is optimal - explain why the other way is optimal WHILE CONSIDERING THE MOST LIKELY OPTION TO OCCUR.
I tend to be a pessimist on read accuracy so I'd be willing to do something with slightly better EV that requires elim decisions to be made in fewer RL days. In practice it's possible for dayplay to achieve so much that a harder EV with better dayplay is better.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
In post 841, Isis wrote:I tend to be a pessimist on read accuracy so I'd be willing to do something with slightly better EV that requires elim decisions to be made in fewer RL days. In practice it's possible for dayplay to achieve so much that a harder EV with better dayplay is better.
you are not confident you could hit 2 scum within 4/9?
The reason to do the 2 person dungeon is not for the autowin it's for killing more PoE townies faster (if there's 2 town) and for forcing scum to scumclaim (if there's 1 scum)
It seems good to me but I haven't thought it through step by step
also i know infinity is like obvscum at this point but like in case you aren't convinced by this point, them dropping off a discred post on me at a point where i'm about to go into meltdown mode is also scum indicative, like its just meant to instigate and get me angry
In post 845, Emily wrote:I've been approaching this more from the viewpoint of finding 4 townies and I'm currently stuck on Chromium - Isis - Dunnstral.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
