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[clidd]

Alternatively, they could be scum who was not planning and noticed that their slot is in a terrible position, but again, I don't see a practical scum benefit at this level of apathy. Their predecessor(GC) was scummy, yeah, but I didn't find anything in his iso that would make me believe that the slot is 90~100% scum. The hypothesis of "town being scummy" is still possible, although not very likely in the balance of his interactions before leaving the slot (but I'm ignoring that for now).

[clidd]

Historically speaking, I tend to have a low read accuracy in relation to their slot in the games we played, so I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong (and they're scum who got emotionally involved and lost motivation), but this is still an unsatisfactory explanation for the scum!Dk model that I have in mind.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what retract

[clidd]

what retract

The retract on the claim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba retracted the weak vig claim?

[clidd]

imagine koba claiming VT after all that lol

i might as well be

the only chance for me to be cleared was supposedly wasted too

Unless I misinterpreted this sequence ^

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think koba claimed retraction

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba is only saying that koba might as well be a VT given that koba shouldn't use koba's ability since it might lead to auto lose

[clidd]

Oh, ok.

So you can ignore the part where I mention that (although it doesn't change much my opinion about the slot).

[clidd]

For some reason I was expecting this claim to be false, but I'm probably confusing Dk with FL (which has already done some vig fakeclaims as town).

[Asteria]

After a third reread, I'm comfortable with this vote:

VOTE: Asteria

Why are you actively ignoring that I'm the logical NK tonight?

VOTE: Asteria

I guess I have to say the same to you too

[clidd]

After a third reread, I'm comfortable with this vote:

VOTE: Asteria

Why are you actively ignoring that I'm the logical NK tonight?

I'm expressing my preference, regardless of mechanical implications. Realistically speaking, Lemon is likely to happen today instead of you, so it's not like you're at risk of being eliminated.

What does my attitude suggest to you?

[Anya]

It's quite difficult to judge what's going on in Dk's head tbh, regardless of alignment, but scum!they would probably be more inclined to avoid instances of AtE to increase the chance of survival, or at least maintain a minimum level of engagement with the game to extend the advantage of miselims (something that would fit into the scum!Dk scenarios I mentioned earlier). The absence of these elements makes the approach if scum, coming to D3, inconsistent.

is appeal to emotion seen as wolfy here? i've seen people townread it all the time

[clidd]

@Anya

If you are talking about the forum, it will depend on player to player, but in non-newbie games, critical thinking is usually greater (and more difficult for scum AtE to succeed).

In the context of scum!Dk, there would be more consistent alternative ways of playing the day, which is the point where I don't understand why emotional appeal would be a plausible option for them.

[clidd]

Not saying that the feeling isn't real, but there would be more reasons for scum!Dk to not show a lack of engagement than town!Dk.

[Asteria]

So the thing I wanted to check for Lemons and Clidd slot is if when I claimed and we started looking into the guns if they were acting like they knew they had a town gun too. This is hard to tell though because if they do honestly have a town gun they wouldn't want to announce it but I'd expect to still see a thought process that reflects they know the gun count is wrong but they don't want to directly say it.

Lemons:
-was torn on if my claim was fake or not (it does make sense to be suspicious if you also have a cop related gun
-went for Koba (still makes sense from a town gun perspective who knows there's a high chance one of us is lying
-setup spec and saying there's probably a lot of PRs
-Everything above can potentially be ignored because Lemons apparently didn't realize my role has a gun
-Says he believes Koba's claim is true because no vig cc and setup spec
-needed reminding of my role (I feel like a fellow gun holder would have a better idea of the claims?)
-still thinks my claim is false (this again makes sense from someone also holding a town gun but scum also want to get rid of me too. Not sure if they'd rather just wait to NK me though?)
-I still think the worry of me being elimed leading to conftown VFP being NKed is genuine
-I think the strong focus on me is more likely to come from someone who knows we likely have too many town guns than from scum wanting me eliminated rather than NKed and I think the flip-flopping on my slot supports this

Salsa/clidd:
-[post=2245]2245[/post[ has their first reaction to my claim where they told lemon's having a gun =/= mafia. Maybe I'm wrong here but I don't think that comes from someone knowing that there are 4 guns and 4 town gun claims (including herself)
-Went back and forth on me as she followed Andante's reaction test thing on me
-Thought one of me and Koba was fake because she thought I was a killing role
-Made a statement about finding it hard to believe scum only have 1 gun and town have 3. This could be a way to cast doubt if she knows she also has a gun but I think it's a little misleading if she knows that
-Told Andante she outed a "TRP (?)" Doesn't look like a sentence that comes from someone informed of having the 4th town gun as claimed
-She really honestly seems to be solving from a stance of there being 3 TPR claims and she's doubtful that scum only have 1

this game is wild

why would you think a neapo has a gun

For some weird, indescribable, illogical, alien reasons (I don't know why, brain is completely shut for rl reasons), I was thinking gun indicates killer roles only

Quoting this because I don't think Salsa faked this. If Salsa genuinely thinks this then she isn't the detective unless she didn't realize she had a gun. But to think that gun = killing when we have the gunsmith andante claimed doesn't make any sense from someone with a PR

i parsed this as
weak vig shoots unprotected maf --> maf dies, vig lives
weak vig shoots protected maf --> maf lives, vig dies

reading the wiki page on "weak" tells me i am indeed being stupid

UNVOTE:

I find it hard to believe that

DkKoba

don't understand their own role or they didn't ask about it before to the mod if they genuinely didn't understand it.

To continue, I don't think Salsa says this right after misunderstanding her own role if she is a detective
-Says that if VFP is town the possibility of there being scum between me and Koba makes more sense (it shouldn't just now be making more sense if salsa is a town gunholder too)


That's all I needed. VOTE: clidd

[clidd]

Your reads look like a mirror of opinions and impressions that already exist, but that you have reformulated to look like something of your own ^

Can be unconscious, but whatever, my position about you is still the same.

[Asteria]

Wait what? Tell me who already said that salsa's posts make no sense knowing she's a detective

[Anya]

@Anya

If you are talking about the forum, it will depend on player to player, but in non-newbie games, critical thinking is usually greater (and more difficult for scum AtE to succeed).

In the context of scum!Dk, there would be more consistent alternative ways of playing the day, which is the point where I don't understand why emotional appeal would be a plausible option for them.

ok interesting

dkkoba plays on mu as well though so i wonder if they see it the same way

[Anya]

don't like this push from asteria clidd's still my best town in the gun armoury

also don't like how she's exclusively using salsa stuff and doesn't have anything to say about clidd since he entered maybe salsa is easier to case as wolf i wonder if dkkoba asteria is actually possible and the early stuff was them in a caravan

got anything on clidd asteria?

[Asteria]

I can check clidd too but he only has 27 posts before Lemon's claimed and Salsa's posts were enough to tell me that slot didn't act like they had a town gun

clidd:
-started off scumreading me right away (makes sense to scumread a gun claim if he has a gun)
-Moved to T3 which is outside of the PR claim pool (makes less sense as a gun claim)
-said if there's scum between me and Koba it's probably Koba.
-Calls me towny, DK null
-A lot of focus on T3 who again isn't a part of the gun claims

So this still supports my view on the slot anyway

[Asteria]

I'm quite confident clidd is our lying gun claim. Lemons has at least been consistently acting like they knew there were for sure too many gun claims, and not just that there probably are too many but it's still possible scum only have 1 gun. After clidd I'm not very confident between Koba and Lemons. Koba makes sense by mech, Lemons makes sense by play, clidd just doesn't make sense.

[Anya]

we didn't know lemons or clidd's claims yesterday though so the t4 vote wasn't made with the knowledge we have now and you other reasons don't seem like reasons to think he's a wolf

unless i'm completely lost?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you understand there's 2 liars in the gun claims right?

[clidd]