Mafia 82: International (Game Over)

[StrangerCoug]

The hasdgfas vs. Cream147 case is confusing to me. I don't like hasdgfas's FoS, but I also don't like Cream147's answer to his question.

[armlx]

I agree with everything hasdgfas has said today. Cream's first post about Dyanmo is "I don't like scummy thing X and Y he did, but he is town".

[Cream147]

I agree with everything hasdgfas has said today. Cream's first post about Dyanmo is "I don't like scummy thing X and Y he did, but he is town".

this post seriously misrepresents me. I never said anything about him being scummy. The reason I 'had no sympathy' for him was because of the self-hammer...

[armlx]

this post seriously misrepresents me. I never said anything about him being scummy. The reason I 'had no sympathy' for him was because of the self-hammer...

No, your first post in the entire game. Not today. You basically said his play was poor over all, and his appeal to emotion was scummy, but you thought he was town.

[Cream147]

this post seriously misrepresents me. I never said anything about him being scummy. The reason I 'had no sympathy' for him was because of the self-hammer...

No, your first post in the entire game. Not today. You basically said his play was poor over all, and his appeal to emotion was scummy, but you thought he was town.

Sorry there. Same thing though, I never called him scummy. I said his play was 'poor' and that I was annoyed by the way he was trying to tweak heartstrings.

[armlx]

I don't know about you, but that's often terms I use to describe actions as scummy.

[Cephrir]

Not finding Cream scummy for that mostly because I agreed with him.

[Citizen Karne]

I dislike hasdgfas' FoS on Cream. I think the fact that he was against the wagon makes it irrelevant either way. I know I'm parroting here, but it needed repeating, I felt.

[Battle Mage]

Replacing in for Pixa, anything specific I should look for in my re-read?

Scum?

I probably shouldn't judge from this single post, but it looks like you're asking your scumbuddy (?) to point out things you should avoid addressing etc.

I probably shouldn't judge from this single post, but it looks like you're making mountains out of molehills to make Surye look suspicious.

Minor FoS: Korts

qft.

BM

[armlx]

BM, thoughts on Has v Cream?

[Cyberbob]

I thought I'd been really inactive when I saw the date on the last page. My sigh of relief when I saw the day only

began

today was rather large.

This Cream business... I agree with hasd in that defending someone suspicious who flips town is in itself suspicious, but given how Dynamo responded to his votes I can see how someone would find him emotional town. The manner in which Cream brought his defence of Dynamo up today feels a little forced, though... mrh. I don't think it's a big tell, but I'm definitely going to be keeping a closer eye on Cream from now on.

Now, about Netlava. I really didn't like the way he handled Dynamo's wagon; he stated a number of times that he found Dynamo to be more likely to be noob town than noob scum, yet had little to no compunction in voting him. Indeed, he voted him without reasoning directly after one of the scummiest posts I think he's made all game:

L-2, and I'm leaning not scum on Dynamo.

I'll wait and see what other people think before voting (if necessary)

Trying to avoid blame for the eventual town cardflip while still helping the lynch, were we? Then, rather than sticking to your change of heart, you caved into the pressure being put on you for your vote and moved it to a singularly useless target (Cass). That's a seriously scummy way to dance around a wagon if you ask me.

Vote: Netlava

[Battle Mage]

BM, thoughts on Has v Cream?

Cream deserves an FoS, but not for the reason Cow gave.

BM

[armlx]

I'm interested, why does he deserve that?

[Cass]

The flavor indeed looks like EA has been targeted by two scumgroups with different MO's.

I know it's not considered canonical to examine the NK in case of a pro-town death, but I'm definitely gonna do a reread of EA in isolation, concentrating on his vote pattern, the players he attacked, and the players who attacked him.

he was a roleblocker. I doubt you'll find anything useful.

Well, him being a roleblocker would make it slightly less probable that his main suspects were mafia (because he'd have blocked them assumedly). No evidence, though.

Also, Cass makes a scum slip in the sense that he declares a case on armlx that is pretty much worth voting for at that point, yet she only FoSes him. I call her out for that, and BM jumps on me because that tell is apparently outdated according to him. This implies a connection between Cass and BM to me.

Maybe you should reread before you say things like that. I'm pretty sure I didn't vote him, because I liked my vote where it was. Also, why does this connect me to BM and not to Armlx? You really make 'scum-slips' out of the tiniest things, don't you?

FoS: Korts

I agree that Cream is pretty suspicious with calling Dynamo obv town and his responses today. I might be biased, because I really thought Dynamo would flip scum. But even if I try to forget about that, I can't see how anyone could have been

sure

he was town. Unless they're scum themselves. Though what makes me doubt the case is Armlx jumping on it. Armlx just keeps giving me bad vibes...

[nhat]

vote - Netlava

per my explanation in post 830.

One of my pet peeves is people jumping on other people about their FoS if it's not detracting from other issues, especially at the beginning of the day. If hasd thought cream's comment was suspicious, then by all means he should call him out on it.

[Untitled]

no big surprises there, then.

I agree with cyberbob's point about netlava above, and I still don't like cephrir's inconsistency on day 1. I'd really like to see more acknowledgement of that point.

[raider8169]

I agree with the netlava bandwagon. I just dont want to see the bandwagon get that large so fast. I would like to see how Netlava posts today before adding my vote.

Thus far I agree with hasdgfas. I dont think the FoS was needed but it did help get the point accross.

[Skruffs]

Hi everyone.

this post seriously misrepresents me. I never said anything about him being scummy. The reason I 'had no sympathy' for him was because of the self-hammer...

No, your first post in the entire game. Not today. You basically said his play was poor over all, and his appeal to emotion was scummy, but you thought he was town.

Why would he think scum would start day one off playing like shit?

[StrangerCoug]

I'll go ahead and

vote Netlava

for the same reasons as in post #832.

[BlakAdder]

Okay, sorry, but that took forever.
Regarding the Hascow vs Cream issue, I see nothing wrong with Has's fos. In fact, I find Cream rather suspicious myself.
On the topic of Netlava, I see him as somewhat scummy, but he could just be an overeager townie. I'll need to see a bit more action to be sure.
Otherwise, Skruff's post directly before mine seems a bit suspicious to me. Stepping into WIFOM territory to defend someone that's only slightly under fire tends to catch my eye.

[Cyberbob]

On the topic of Netlava, I see him as somewhat scummy, but he could just be an overeager townie. I'll need to see a bit more action to be sure.

Overeager? Out of all the possible labels one could associate with his behaviour, what led you to give him that one?

[BlakAdder]

Wrong choice of words. Vote-hopping would be better.

[Battle Mage]

Armlx:

Right then, so

Much as i hate to be the grammar analyst, the use of connectives rings true of someone who is unsure how to react to the developments. Gives me bad vibes.

as we all knew would happen, Dynamo flipped town. I have no sympathy for him, but I feel that scum must have constituted a reasonable bit of his wagon. I'm going to reread his wagon I think, and also the talk that we had when the wagon started to dissipate, and then the following section where it increased into a hammer. I'm sure I can find scum somewhere in there. Netlava's vote has already been picked up on and noted, and I think it's possible that there's more in that wagon.

This section is a description of how he intends to use yesterday's result in order to set up a lynch today. Not a scummy act as such, but why would he feel the need to spell it out like so? Feels very devious.

BM

[armlx]

Why would he think scum would start day one off playing like shit?

WIFOM. What you just asked me was: Why would scum start off playing D1 scummy?

[Lowell]

Give me a couple days to get back into this.