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[innocentvillager]

Vote count 1.14

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-03-19 19:26:46).

elimination

1. skitter30 [1]:

LegoLucy#1803

2. Farkran [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear#2435

3. Alisae [0]:

4. PookyTheMagicalBear [0]:

5. Chara [1]:

Ydrasse#2470

6. Luca Blight [0]:

7. NorwegianboyEE [2]:

Luca Blight#3205, Alisae#3206

8. Menalque [2]:

Day#2434, NorwegianboyEE#2742

9. LegoLucy [0]:

10. PenguinPower [0]:

11. Ydrasse [0]:

12. Day [3]:

Chara#1827, Menalque#2425, PenguinPower#3083

13. Something_Smart [1]:

Something_Smart#9

no elimination [0]:

Not Voting [2]:

skitter30#2783, Farkran#3247

mod notes

~ Day V/LA Tuesday

Spoiler: traditional vc

elimination

Day [3]:

Chara, Menalque, PenguinPower

Menalque [2]:

Day, NorwegianboyEE

NorwegianboyEE [2]:

Luca Blight, Alisae

Something_Smart [1]:

Something_Smart

Chara [1]:

Ydrasse

Farkran [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

skitter30 [1]:

LegoLucy

Not Voting [2]:

skitter30, Farkran

Spoiler: vote log

Day 1 vote log

Post 4: Ydrasse votes Farkran
Post 8: Ydrasse votes Something_Smart

Post 9: Something_Smart votes Something_Smart

Post 11: PookyTheMagicalBear votes PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 27: NorwegianboyEE votes Menalque
Post 63: Ydrasse votes Chara
Post 72: Menalque votes Farkran
Post 74: Ydrasse votes unvote
Post 91: Farkran votes Alisae
Post 106: Menalque votes Ydrasse
Post 245: Menalque votes skitter30
Post 268: Chara votes PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 312: skitter30 votes Ydrasse
Post 380: PookyTheMagicalBear votes Ydrasse
Post 397: Menalque votes LegoLucy
Post 404: LegoLucy votes Ydrasse
Post 485: Luca Blight votes PenguinPower
Post 488: Day votes PenguinPower
Post 509: PookyTheMagicalBear votes PenguinPower
Post 532: Alisae votes Menalque
Post 539: NorwegianboyEE votes PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 581: Alisae votes PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 583: Farkran votes Day
Post 615: LegoLucy votes Day
Post 624: PookyTheMagicalBear votes Alisae
Post 701: Day votes Alisae
Post 722: Farkran votes PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 745: Menalque votes Alisae
Post 773: PookyTheMagicalBear votes unvote
Post 806: Chara votes unvote
Post 813: skitter30 votes Day
Post 884: Alisae votes Menalque
Post 922: Luca Blight votes NorwegianboyEE
Post 923: Day votes PenguinPower
Post 957: NorwegianboyEE votes PenguinPower
Post 1021: Farkran votes unvote
Post 1119: Farkran votes Menalque
Post 1138: Day votes skitter30
Post 1156: skitter30 votes unvote
Post 1175: skitter30 votes NorwegianboyEE
Post 1261: NorwegianboyEE votes Menalque
Post 1271: LegoLucy votes skitter30
Post 1272: NorwegianboyEE votes skitter30
Post 1330: PenguinPower votes NorwegianboyEE
Post 1393: skitter30 votes unvote
Post 1395: PenguinPower votes Menalque
Post 1470: PookyTheMagicalBear votes Farkran
Post 1504: Luca Blight votes Ydrasse
Post 1558: Alisae votes unvote
Post 1563: NorwegianboyEE votes Menalque
Post 1568: Luca Blight votes Menalque
Post 1582: Menalque votes Luca Blight
Post 1584: Menalque votes NorwegianboyEE
Post 1649: Day votes Menalque
Post 1651: LegoLucy votes Menalque
Post 1679: skitter30 votes LegoLucy
Post 1681: Menalque votes LegoLucy
Post 1751: Luca Blight votes unvote

Post 1803: LegoLucy votes skitter30

Post 1804: skitter30 votes LegoLucy
Post 1808: Day votes skitter30

Post 1827: Chara votes Day

Post 1853: Day votes unvote
Post 1865: PookyTheMagicalBear votes LegoLucy
Post 1868: PookyTheMagicalBear votes Farkran
Post 1871: PookyTheMagicalBear votes LegoLucy
Post 2255: NorwegianboyEE votes skitter30
Post 2258: Farkran votes skitter30
Post 2340: Luca Blight votes Chara
Post 2379: NorwegianboyEE votes unvote
Post 2386: NorwegianboyEE votes Chara
Post 2396: Menalque votes NorwegianboyEE
Post 2400: skitter30 votes unvote
Post 2406: Farkran votes PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 2419: Day votes Chara
Post 2422: skitter30 votes Day

Post 2425: Menalque votes Day

Post 2434: Day votes Menalque

Post 2435: PookyTheMagicalBear votes Farkran

Post 2470: Ydrasse votes Chara

Post 2642: Alisae votes PookyTheMagicalBear
Post 2739: Luca Blight votes unvote

Post 2742: NorwegianboyEE votes Menalque

Post 2752: Luca Blight votes Day
Post 2757: PenguinPower votes Day

Post 2783: skitter30 votes unvote

Post 2913: Alisae votes Day
Post 3062: PenguinPower votes unvote

Post 3083: PenguinPower votes Day

Post 3205: Luca Blight votes NorwegianboyEE

Post 3206: Alisae votes NorwegianboyEE

Post 3247: Farkran votes unvote

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[Luca Blight]

Well there’s no guarantee but it was certainly on the cards

[Something_Smart]

Is it not obvious by this point that because of my role I believe Day is very likely to be town?

...it felt pretty likely, yeah. Sorry not sorry, your argument really wasn't making any sense.

Question though: does your role specifically imply a disloyal roleblocker, or would it just make sense? Because if it's the latter, that doesn't rule out a lucky fakeclaim.

[Something_Smart]

You seem desperate, Pooky

You seem tunneled, Luca

[Farkran]

Spoiler:

This game is so entertaining, I had way too much fun catching up on all that. I was starting to think I might've been the crazy one and the legendary 1800 was actually scummy when all of skitter/Pooky/Chara were vehemently against me, so it's relieving to see Farkran/Norwee/Luca come in and mirror essentially everything I was thinking on the matter. The way the factions have developed in this game are really fascinating, this is most interesting day 1 've been in for ages.

skitter's venting I actually find pretty towny, in that her exasperation indicates she truly does believe in the arguments she's making, so if she's scum, she thinks she's actually completely in the right here, or she's just town. Farkran is obvtown. Luca is still obvtown. Norwee still town and the mind melding helps a lot. Pooky 'm not as sure on but pushing and calling Fark scum probably doesn't have much scum motivation there even if I completely disagree with the reasoning? I townread him less than I did before though. I don't hate Luca's take that it's a TvTvTvT. skitter being the least confident because that's a recent change in heart and the rest of the game's content and uneasy feelings do still exist.

Uh, what else. Chara! Chara, Chara, Chara... I found Chara's vote on me really strange as well, and the way they framed how they disliked me reconsidering while they agree with the reasoning which made me reconsider is weird. They said town sometimes doubles down on reasoning and is antagonistic, and are applying the inverse to say me

not

doing that is scummy, when I don't think they should be applying the inverse there?
I also didn't like 2122 because Chara acknowledged they haven't read most of the game and were playing a 5 page game or whatever, so how could they know when they haven't see what I townread Lucy for and why?

VOTE: Chara

Out for now.

VOTE: day

VOTE: day

Of course.

'd still vote for Menalque if not Chara. The minimum 1 scum thing and performative votes onto Luca and Norwee when they're both obvtown is what I actually think is the worst take in the game.

Eh, I want to do this more right now.

VOTE: Menalque

Out for real now.

I find this sequence really scummy.

Day acknowledged Chara was correct in divining his thought-process in 2114, but when a wagon had sprung up and gained some interest on Chara Day then decides he SR's them? The reasoning he gave is not new here so why has he waited until this point to fos/vote them?

And his tone is so scummy. He later said he is intentionally faking his tone or something, but I don't see a gimmick in 2418? It's like he feels nervous about joining the wagon so overcompensates in terms of how he's presenting it. He did something similar earlier in the game when hopping back on the Suji wagon while I was casing Norwee.

He then receives a couple of votes and then fos's Menalque again before switching onto him for something that happened ages ago. It seems like he's really insecure over his Chara vote here and is playing politically.

I think the sequence is only scummy if you are strong on reading menalque as town because otherwise Day's picks aren't bad and his progression on them is solid, especially mena (see the very same readlist i just linked)

The vote against Chara (nullread from Day so far) is born out of Chara's stance wrt 1800 and its vote on Day which i also found distasteful to be honest - although 2114 as you have pointed out is kinda political for Day and i can see how you find him scummy because of that - rest of the reasons (tone and vote progression) i don't really see them, i don't think he has a scummy tone and his reasons for scumreading menalque sound sincere whereas i cannot say the opposite is true

I have already spoken at length about how i think the wagon against day is bad regardless of day alignment (i.e. the reasons that people gave for voting Day are bad) which to me is further motive to believe he is town. Incidentally Chara could also be scum here and i can compromise on it, i've been trying to townread it because i really wanted to play together but i don't know, pooky being THIS committed to save Day makes me believe i have to redesign the game structure i had in mind

Wrt the claim, i don't think scum produces a claim this spicy when there are at least 3-4 people hard defending him not including his partners - i mean try to see things from my pov: i am not scum, pooky is (now surprisingly) not scum, lucy is extremely likely not scum and we were all fighting hard against Day's lim, not including his potential partners. I know you believe norwee is one but no matter his alignment norw would never vote day, and there's at least third one who would also not vote there

Day was never in such a dangerous position to produce a risky claim like that

[NorwegianboyEE]

Menalque, Alisae, Penguin, Chara are the most sus slots to me right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Farkran continues to sound incredibly townie.
Pooky are you sure about this?

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

I’m gonna take a break and reset

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have never played with fark b4

im ok with defering on the elim if you guys want someone else but im not gonna be ok with:

day skitter norwee or ss

[Chara]

i'm not sure what i want to do here.

[Ydrasse]

[Chara]

SS, who are you wanting to elim? it sounds like you think Day could be scum with that claim, but it seems like the consensus is they're not. i don't agree at all with Fark's belief that Day wasn't in danger of being eliminated, they were at something like E-2 and were about to go on a v/la.

[Chara]

this cat makes me feel things.

[Chara]

Incidentally Chara could also be scum here and i can compromise on it, i've been trying to townread it because i really wanted to play together but i don't know, pooky being THIS committed to save Day makes me believe i have to redesign the game structure i had in mind

why can i be scum? you know my current scumgame the best of this table, and you also seem to have a good idea of what my townplay is like.

i want to play with you too, i think i've explained my thoughts on what you've asked me about to the most that they existed, and yeah it is a little awkward to converse when we're online at different times.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Question though: does your role specifically imply a disloyal roleblocker, or would it just make sense? Because if it's the latter, that doesn't rule out a lucky fakeclaim.

It would make a lot of sense for a town roleblocker to have a disloyal modifier.

Yea it could be a lucky fake-claim but when you evaluate probabilities I think its much more likely that Day's claim is true than he got lucky claiming that modifier.

[Chara]

playing a day 1 with friends is difficult.

[Ydrasse]

VERY difficult

[Chara]

could you talk about what it is you were trying to figure out with the vote on me?

[Something_Smart]

SS, who are you wanting to elim? it sounds like you think Day could be scum with that claim, but it seems like the consensus is they're not.

Well I was leaning that way but I will begrudgingly give Pooky the benefit of the doubt, at least for now.

I'm not sure. We don't really have any other wagons worthy of the name, but among the names being thrown around I probably prefer Norwee? I remember thinking he had some towny posts, but Luca disagreed and I defer to his greater experience there.

[Something_Smart]

I'll wait to see if Luca's read changes after his reset, though.

[Chara]

i think Luca is my strongest townread at the moment.

Norwee has also felt pretty town in spite of his having a lot of reads i don't really agree with.

pedit: so you TR Luca strongly? why is that?

[Ydrasse]

norwee feels towny and i don’t uh. get what his agenda is as people have claimed

i also have scumread norwee when he was town though so maybe i just can’t read him

[Ydrasse]

it feels like there’s this weird little knot of like, mena/pooky/skitter which i think contains at least one scum but i couldn’t tell you who it was? it just looks like this little mess that’s like... Bad. yes i have no critical thinking skills

[Something_Smart]

My previous posts don't imply a strong townread on Luca; I would trust his read even if I didn't townread him, on the basis that it's quite risky to fake a strong meta read like that as scum.

But yes, I do townread him pretty strongly, on the basis that he's been very proactive and energetic but he doesn't really seem to be advancing an agenda. 3307 is honestly probably a pretty large part of it; it seems very risky as scum to double down and then just abruptly switch off. And I don't know much about his scumgame, but I've seen him play in this strong town-leadery way as town before and it was pretty similar to this.

[Ydrasse]

this game sucks vs flavor v hectic because i’m going to feel guilty if we miselim someone