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[Alisae]

Also this doesn’t even makes sense as scum/scum and I’m not sure where the idea is coming from that I decide to halfass a bus and hop off for no reason.
Do people genuinely think that scum will just stop bussing at a weird time for weird reasons? Doesn’t make sense to me.

[Alisae]

I’ve even bussed scum!Mena before (or tried to) in the last game I just played.
Idunno, to me I feel like people are giving me attention for it because I’m not doing what they want me to do.

[Alisae]

Luca especially has just given me crap and honest regardless of anything I would have done he still would have given me crap and I don’t think it’s alignment indicative I’m not sure.
Pooky giving me crap for this tho is really weird.

[Alisae]

Like if I’m going to bus Mena for being scummy and I want to be the first person to notice it to get cred why am I not bussing anymore?
It makes no sense to me :/

[Farkran]

I mean the idea would be that your unvote would kill off the entire wagon, there were 3 at the time, minus yours = 2

Game was a bit stalling so it would make sense

The bit about giving you attention because you don't do what i expect you to is true tho, i miss the days where we bruteforcely solved d1 - but it's also true that this pl is particularly hard, if anything because we're pretty much all friends and we don't want them to be scum

[Farkran]

Like there are some people i would feel proud to catch if scum, others i would feel bad if i did

And i believe this might be influencing my reads a fair amount

For instance, i think i might have townbinned chara too early and i need to reread it

[Alisae]

I mean the idea would be that your unvote would kill off the entire wagon, there were 3 at the time, minus yours = 2

Game was a bit stalling so it would make sense

The bit about giving you attention because you don't do what i expect you to is true tho, i miss the days where we bruteforcely solved d1 - but it's also true that this pl is particularly hard, if anything because we're pretty much all friends and we don't want them to be scum

I don't think about the game this way.

Idunno maybe this is like one of those moments where I just townread scum for really weird things.
The one concern I have is like, if mena is scum I have no idea what he's trying to do. Even in One Night Stand he had a plan and something he was trying to accomplish with his actions. In One Night Stand there was some kind of agenda and it would have been possible for me to work with him and support him on what he wanted to do if I could communicate to him in a scum PT (we didn't have one)

[Alisae]

Maybe I just need to read someone case mena and explain to me "these are the things that he's doing that are good if he's town" "These are the things that Mena is trying to accomplish if he's scum."
Like, I'm not saying Mena isn't weird, he definitely is weird, if anything he's the weirdest person on the pl. That's why I voted him and that's why he's even getting attention. My problem with this is now is the question I have is "what is the goal behind his posts? What is he trying to accomplish?" And I just have no idea what the answer to these questions are.

I care about how we got to this point in time. Historically on MS, we never really wagon'd the "scummy" players but rather the "least charismatic within the context of the game" players. Mena's play definitely seems "least charismatic within the context of the game" but maybe there is something scummy about it and idunno i just don't see it for some reason.

Also is it just me or has SS fallen off a cliff?

[Farkran]

Well, if he's scum i think he is trying to survive by waiting for the focus to shift elsewhere. That's one of the main pillars of my theory for scum!mena. It is especially efficient if he doesn't have time to olay as his usual self, as some people have pointed out.

Whereas if he is town i have no answer. There are players who dislike d1's with all their might, but menalque wasn't one of them at all.

[Day]

Because I would expect you to be a lot warier of supporting a wagon norwee is pushing

Didn't he explicitly say he was liking Norwee more in the same post?

This is more like the Norwegian I know and love

VOTE: Menalque

Alisae, do you not see Menalque calling out Luca/Norwee as minimum 1 scum as agenda based? I didn't like that take either, it doesn't really make any sense, and I agree with whoever said that Menalque should be able to see why he looks scummy. He acknowledged it himself earlier that he has a total lack of interest in solving, so don't know why he thinks there must be scum pushing him there.

[Day]

skitter30

Farkran

Alisae

PookyTheMagicalBear

Chara

Luca Blight
NorwegianboyEE

LegoLucy

Sujimichi

Ydrasse

Day

Something_

Smart

I colored in my townreads and the only overlap with Menalque's is LegoLucy.

I wonder if the fact we're seeing the game so differently means you have a different alignment from me. Maybe you're a jester.

[Alisae]

Alisae, do you not see Menalque calling out Luca/Norwee as minimum 1 scum as agenda based? I didn't like that take either, it doesn't really make any sense, and I agree with whoever said that Menalque should be able to see why he looks scummy. He acknowledged it himself earlier that he has a total lack of interest in solving, so don't know why he thinks there must be scum pushing him there.

if he's town why wouldn't scum want to try to keep him in the scumpool?

[Alisae]

maybe I'm just misunderstanding ur argument

[Day]

You were saying you see no agenda in his play and he usually has an agenda as scum. 'm asking if you think him taking that 1 scum minimum stance could be that agenda.

[Day]

Alisae, do you not see Menalque calling out Luca/Norwee as minimum 1 scum as agenda based? I didn't like that take either, it doesn't really make any sense, and I agree with whoever said that Menalque should be able to see why he looks scummy. He acknowledged it himself earlier that he has a total lack of interest in solving, so don't know why he thinks there must be scum pushing him there.

if he's town why wouldn't scum want to try to keep him in the scumpool?

Or you mean if he's town, it's beneficial for scum to push him here since he's easy pickings. I see what you mean. Still, the fact he basically acknowledges he's been subpar this game doesn't fit with the confidence of that stance.

[Day]

Hey penguin y r u voting 4 me

i can't vote this player anymore
UNVOTE:
they feel so lost and not in a scummy way.

What about that Menalque question seemed lost? Pengo naked voted so questioning it is natural.

[Day]

Luca Blight
Norwee
Farkran
LegoLucy
Pooky
Ydrasse
Something_Smart
Chara
Pengo
Alisae
Menalque
skitter30

[Farkran]

if he's town why wouldn't scum want to try to keep him in the scumpool?

More like, why aren't scum voting him?

Which leads to the question - what do you think of the wagon currently going against menalque? Fark, PP, Luca, Norwee

I have *at least* 3 of them as town, the outsider would be PP (suji slot). He could be scum. Looking back at the original wagon against suji (luca, day, pooky, norwee iirc?) with the hindsight of day being probably town is not a terrible wagon either, and the slot hasn't done anything to grow - the only difference would be that i expect suji to be like that whereas i didn't expect it from menalque at all. Still, PP bussing there wouldn't be a surprise.

But, back to the original topic - i think mena is *very* mislimable, with very little consequence, so... why not vote him?

Who is wking mena for no/little reason?

[Farkran]

I can see skitter, chara, ydrasse, pooky, maybe lucy

@all of these, why aren't you voting mena? Share your thoughts

[Ydrasse]

i simply do not wish him to be scum

(im finally here to try to read but i am decidedly higher than i thought i'd be while doing this)

[Alisae]

i simply do not wish him to be scum

(im finally here to try to read but i am decidedly higher than i thought i'd be while doing this)

[Ydrasse]

thats me

[Day]

You should get down from your elevated position before you fall down and hurt yourself.

[LegoLucy]

VOTE: luca

VOTE: norwee

It is strange thing to feel so much equal about two players those players so different from eachother and to think their evil is the same. This makes me think Menal has seen their rolecards and no their rolecards they score points in go fish because they match the colors.
I think Menal is trying to show simulation of villager who feel upset that other players are against him in the unfairness but his simulation is not sharp about when that really happen. One player is usually extra unfair.

Also voting Luca is just bad at the game. Luca is the founder of our village.

[Day]

VOTE: Menalque

I laugh half your posts, Lucy. This makes me think good at deception game and awake to Lead. Lucy is the founder of the garage.