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[Dannflor]

Tbh as backwards as it is

Marky is the scummiest because he’s the only one still trying to scum hunt lol

[Marky Mark]

Tbh as backwards as it is

Marky is the scummiest because he’s the only one still trying to scum hunt lol

I'm intrigued, how are you reaching that conclusion?

[Flea The Magician]

Probably becuse we're close to a potential mech solve.

I actually dont mind continuting to hunt, we've limited time so if the mech solve ends up flawed we need something to go on

[Grendel]

Just catching up...

its best way to slove cass's slot is if i shoot her tonight?

If she fake then she die. If she real then she redirects the kill elsewhere

This is a bad idea. Cass could well have that ability but not be town-aligned (would make sense with the town killing roles around). Better to elim her. Shooting her would not solve her slot, even if it proved her ability was real.

If she's a ghoul I would say that would be more inclined to think she's town since a mafia aligned ghoul would mean mafia had two roles both had anti-killing attributes. That seems too strong to me.

[Flea The Magician]

there's more to my role than just that

but it's not something I'm eager to reveal

it does make me more eager to believe grendel is town after he claimed his modifier

Dan did you alt slip a follow up to this? I'm not seeing an answer

[Flea The Magician]

Could've sworn I saw mention of like a bookie vig

[Flea The Magician]

So we have...

Name	Alignment	Claim	Description
Flea	Unconfirmable	Lavos	1 Shot Night Skipper
Pooky	Likely Town1	Grim Reaper	Visits each death
GreyIce	Likely Town1	Judge Dread	Tracker/Kill Deflector
Cassoweary	Maybe Town2	Ghoul	NK self-redirector/immune
Dannflor	Unconfirmable	Cant see a flavour claim	Elim gated vig.
Mistyx	Likely Town3	Jade Harley	Mechanics Oracle/1-shot BP
Grendel	Town/SK3	Grendal/Beowulf	Starving Beast (dies if unable to kill 2 nights running)
Marky Mark	Unconfirmable	Sir Don Bradman	Vanilla Townie...

¹ Circular clear. Visit confirmed on dead body, Pooky lives.
² Setup balance spec.
³ Grendel shot scum, cannot be SK unless Misty is SK/Scum.

I fire, cass + me/mark is the lim pool. Grendel shoots Dann, Dann shoots whoever is left of me and mark, that should be game done I reckon, if not, it's probably Misty which Grendels flip will likely add some weight to or from?

hmm... Its 3am, I shouldn't be thinking this hard.

[Flea The Magician]

Why do I always end up in the situations where I gotta be evaporated to win these things o.o

dont get me wrong, I'm pretty sure I'd be awful in ELO...

[Grendel]

Why do I always end up in the situations where I gotta be evaporated to win these things o.o

dont get me wrong, I'm pretty sure I'd be awful in ELO...

ughhhhh, but everythung about your posting looks town motivated to me so i really dont think you are a good elim

[Grendel]

what exactly is the most flaw proof plan for mech sloving?

Grey had some good ideas, but i'd like addional feedback from the rest of the roster

[cassowary]

(Wait, are we sure Dann will be able to make a prediction to get a kill if the night gets skipped? Dann, do you know if your prediction counts as an "action" in this context or not?)

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly, I don't wanna be evaporated, but, pool needs to be those who can't be confirmed for the optimal mech solve to cover as much as possible, that means the unconfirmables are first up. Cass being NK immune means they have to be eliminated to be proven, which in fairness can be done tomorrow.

1 vanilla townie in this seems off to me, but not impossible. Dann needs to claim flavour unless I've missed it, which 4AM posting, I probably did.

PEDIT: Good point, dan might be able to get 2 shots.

[Dannflor]

there's more to my role than just that

but it's not something I'm eager to reveal

it does make me more eager to believe grendel is town after he claimed his modifier

Dan did you alt slip a follow up to this? I'm not seeing an answer

I never claimed it

[Dannflor]

(Wait, are we sure Dann will be able to make a prediction to get a kill if the night gets skipped? Dann, do you know if your prediction counts as an "action" in this context or not?)

Well, it has to happen during the night... so.... Probably?

[Dannflor]

my flavor is Yumeko Jabami from some anime

I thought I claimed that already

[Flea The Magician]

Whats your modifiers you haven't claimed?

ngl pretty sus we're all full role claimed and you just kinda cruisin

[Marky Mark]

Just catching up...

its best way to slove cass's slot is if i shoot her tonight?

If she fake then she die. If she real then she redirects the kill elsewhere

This is a bad idea. Cass could well have that ability but not be town-aligned (would make sense with the town killing roles around). Better to elim her. Shooting her would not solve her slot, even if it proved her ability was real.

If she's a ghoul I would say that would be more inclined to think she's town since a mafia aligned ghoul would mean mafia had two roles both had anti-killing attributes. That seems too strong to me.

Yeah, its not like there are many PRs on the town side

[Marky Mark]

I feel like a night skip probably isn't great here as it would neuter Grendel, who is very likely a town vig

[Marky Mark]

Like we lose a bunch of TPR actions (most importantly GRICE track and grendel vig shot, assuming both are town) in return for the scum getting a NK

[Marky Mark]

Scumhunting today should be fairly easy - pick someone who was pushing grendel d2 and lim them.

[Flea The Magician]

Scumhunting today should be fairly easy - pick someone who was pushing grendel d2 and lim them.

Care to take point?

[Marky Mark]

I mean I'm voting cass and have explained why they looked opportunisitc towards the end of d2. Come and join me, or tell me why I'm wrong

[Flea The Magician]

Like we lose a bunch of TPR actions (most importantly GRICE track and grendel vig shot, assuming both are town) in return for the scum getting a NK

First, I want to know what you're thinking here.

This reads to me like you should be eliminating me based on wanting to fire my ability that stops town PRs but still allows NK to happen.

[Marky Mark]

So that would have been better phrased as "we lose (a bunch of TPR actions in return for the scum getting a NK)"

[Marky Mark]

So to summarize:

Alignment Chart
	MistyX-Town	MistyX-Mafia	MistyX-3rd party
Grendel-Town	Multiple vigs	Mafia tried to save a townie?	????????
Grendel-Scum	Scum-Vig	Scum vig+Gambit?	????????
Grendel-SK	Impossible	Scum trying to save SK?!?	It's one of those games

Well, hmm, this Dannflor claim certainly makes things more interesting.

In that case still where'd the extra kill come from though?

Could

Grendel be scum vig after all?

Maybe this is just me, but I actually don't think something like a one-shot strongman scum vig would be that weird, and scum!Grendel could just sort of be bluffing about having additional shots. Hence Grendel being gung-ho to holster, and could have been just planning on claiming to be blocked on subsequent nights or some such. (If we say 'oh kill jesse' and Grendel goes 'I was blocked, guess it's scum protecting Jesse' this looks pretty good if Jesse is town, or even could be ok as a bus I think)

I don't really have a feel for what's considered within the range of possibility on this site, but something like that scenario doesn't seem too weird to me.

stop waffling

i've been voting grendel for over a week, there is no waffling on who is correct to eliminate here

Maybe there was room for waffling pre-CC but I am surprised people are still so willing to let grendel live. With all due respect, his case is sketchy as heck. Grendel got red-checked, claimed a killing role who hit town, and was CC'd by a town vigilante. What on earth is the argument for leaving him alive??

Even if he's town I still think we get more benefit from eliminating him than leaving him alive. I thought this before the CC and I think that argument is even stronger now.

KISS

Non loyal targeting
A counterclaim

This explains the SR on cass fairly well - these 3 posts are in succession. GRICE explains the grendel situation and possibilities v clearly and cass/titus continue concerted push on grendel straight afterwards