This doesn't look to me like I want to abandon the plan. It looks like I want to stay with it but not be beholden to it.BridgesAndBaloons wrote:Scummy things he did and why I think CML is scum:
1) he tried to get us to abandon my plan:
CallMeLiam wrote:As such, while I'm in favour of the plan in theory, I don't think we should all be beholden to it.
I really dislike the way you're presenting your plan as the only way for the town to play this game. You shout down anyone questioning it, and do the same when people have different ideas about how to play the game. I'll get to that later. Oh, and nice pre-fishing at the end there.BridgesAndBaloons wrote:This was anti-town because my strategy guarantees a huge increase in win percentage for the town. Unfortunately my whole strategy is gone now since I found this scum fake-claiming and we will probably have to have the real cop claim eventually (but not yet).
Once again, I disagree. In a game this small and with only two power roles scum aren't gonna be going for the 'most townie' players. In fact like the majority of games of mafia in a game like this I'd expect scum to be trying to off power roles. Plus I'm fairly sure that by listing the people we find scummy, the scum can work out who we think is townie by a simple process of elimination. No what I think you're opposed to is the idea that if we all have an idea of who the town thinks is pro-town then that really narrows the people you can try and force a mis-lynch on.BridgesAndBaloons wrote:it really helps the scum if they know who everyone else thinks is pro-town, especially in this game, especially if someone says one of the scum.CallMeLiam wrote:I understand where you're coming from, but disagree.BridgesAndBaloons wrote: Also, what you said isvery anti-town. Please NEVER AGAIN mention if you think someone is townie again. Do not say any things that make someone pro-town until after the mass-claim. Thank you very much. Please tell me if you don't understand.
He's trying to get people to be okay with saying who they think is a townie. BAD IDEA!
L-1 is close to the hammer when you're not sure if the scum are already on a wagon. IBridgesAndBaloons wrote:
He votes for killa7 and then unvotes shortly after on 177 after alabaska says a lurker lynch is bad. Killa wasn't close to a lynch. Sure he was at L-1, but does anybody here think killa was going to be hammered anytime soon?
Seriously, this is over-careful. He also makes a PBPA on killa which is totally unnecessary.
really
don't like how you treat L-1 as a safe spot for any player to be at up until it's jon that's in danger of the hammer. The PBPA on killa was at the request of killa. It helps if you don't just read my posts in isolation as that makes your case make no sense. So I voted you immediately after saying you weren't scum, or did things occur between those times?BridgesAndBaloons wrote:5) omg,then there’s infamous post 302.
Let’s look at every single scummy thing crammed into this one post.What’s with all the 180s? He’s voting for me despite saying I’m not scum. He then recently says he’s certain I’m scum. These complete contradictions are the act of a scum caught in trouble.CallMeLiam wrote: OK. I think k7 is acting pretty unhelpfully, but not in a very scummy way.
I think BaB has been helpful and logical enough to put me off him as scum. That leaves TDC who I've agreed with every word from and TSPN who I have no real read on, even at this point although I did like his scummy\anti-town differences post. This leaves jonathanathanatan. I'm not gonna vote yet but the case is the best I think we have and I'd like a claim now please.
Saying you're not ready for a lynch and then leaving your vote on a player at L-1 are pretty incompatible actions. The fact that you STILL didn't remove it when I said I'd be happy hammering until your hypocrisy was pointed out does not bode well for your alignment.BridgesAndBaloons wrote: He then only is ready to lynch jonathan by process of elimination? What!? That’s not pro-town at all? What about me saying that I wasn’t ready for a lynch thepage before this one!
Again, he’s confidant in attacking Jonathan because Jonny is at L-1. More opportune behavior. (similar like his vote on killa).
Players at L-1 are typically asked to claim. Would you rather I just hammer?BridgesAndBaloons wrote: Then he ASKS FOR A CLAIM!!!
WHY WHY WHY WHY!
There is absolutely no pro-town reason for that. Especially for the cop. The only thing that can happen from a premature claim is going to narrow down the possibilities of Nks for scum, or force a counterclaim (therefore making CML the NK, or his bodyguard the NK). The cop loses the most from a premature claim. This is not compatible with his cop claiming.
Indeed weren't you the one who said it might actually help the town to get a claim in today? Claiming recuces the chances of a mislynch and as I've said before that's a far bigger danger than confirming townies. Indeed, having confirmed or semi-confirmed players in an end-game is a nightmare for scum.
So you've seen a player crumbing cop and think that the best thing to do is to announce it to the whole thread, denounce them as scum and then throw up a ramshackle case against them? Reeeaaaly pro-town there BaB.BridgesAndBaloons wrote: 6)The way he breadcrumbed is really scummy and not how A cop would do it.
After I saw this post I thought CML was a townie trying to draw the NK, but then I realized that he actually breadcrumbed cop. I think CML is scum and his slips were fabricated and not the breadcrumbing the cop should do.
"Not how a cop would do it" is so blatantly untrue I shouldn't even need to get into it. Your refusal to accept other people's game theory and desire to adhere rigidly to your plan is scummy as hell. You're trying to guide the town and it reeks of scumminess. Your case against me is simply 'he doesn't play like I would' and your own actions have been hyopcritical and shady. Like my vote on you very much.
