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Post Post #1850 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:21 am

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Kloud 1 vote: (Save The Dragons)
No lynch 1 vote: (RestFermata)

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Post Post #1851 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:55 am

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I'm still not sure whether to go for Kloud or StD. I will be pissed if we don't use all the available resources and end up losing.
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Post Post #1852 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:06 am

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I agree that your plan would be the most productive for us, LF, but there is something I would like to address:
LlamaFluff wrote:Now, we know that at least one of Kloud and Dragon is scum. It could easily be both
since Kloud seemed confused that his claim made dragon auto-scum.
In fact out of the what... 20 something pairings this is one of my top choices. Make that is.
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reborn537 wrote:I think Kloud is lying because the way he puts it only STD can be scum.

There are two scum out there.

We now have no protective roles so we can't guarantee my survival in the no lynch scenario.

I assume that Cleveland died protecting someone.
I believe you are putting words into my mouth here, reborn. I never said that I felt STD could be the only scum. All I said was that neither RF or EK visited another player in the nights I tracked them. This could be an indication that neither players submitted the NK choice just as much as it could indicate that they are townies.

If I did say that STD could be the only possible scum candidate, please point it out.
I was not confused, I was responding to reborn's statement in which he claims that I am saying only StD could be scum, which was not the case. I was simply providing the results from my night actions, providing nothing more, and nothing less. The phrasing of reborn's statement claimed that I had said STD was the only scum, when in fact I never said anything to that effect. I provided my information in a straight-forward manner in my opinion, so I feel that how it was interpreted has little to do with me claiming that RF visited no one N2 and EK visited no one N3.

I don't see how me providing this implies I feel only STD can be scum, as there is still the possibility that one of them did not submit the action. There is also the possibility that both could be scum together, but I feel that this is unlikely.

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Post Post #1853 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:11 am

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But look at this, Kloud.
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Farside will not allow us to complete this as planned tonight.
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Post Post #1854 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:13 am

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EBWOP. What I mean is the invention, just like the previous ones, will not do what we want it to.
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Post Post #1855 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:14 am

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Hmn. I see your point, but maybe that is what farside wants us to believe. I know that that would be straying into WIFOM, so I really don't know what to do. I personally think it is the best plan at the moment though.
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Post Post #1856 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:14 am

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Tonight I will randomly roleblock one of the four uncleared players, earning me a vote. So if there is no kill it was a result of that, since nothing else can cause one. At daybreak (assuming I am alive and someone died) Kloud should declare if he was blocked or not, and if he wasnt who he tracked. This should create ~50% chance of exposing all possible scum pairings.

Now - I feel that reborn should aslo throw a lie detector invention into the group of four players. With a RB, track(?), lie detector x2 all going off at once we might be able to force at least one player into the "has to be scum" catagory.

That should leave us at 5 players with at least 1 confirmed town, luck will put us at 6 with a confirmed scum.
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Post Post #1857 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:16 am

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Stop outguessing the mod guys. It is either lylo today or tomorrow, I want lylo where we have one extra invention to work with.
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Post Post #1858 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:16 am

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RestFermata wrote:EBWOP. What I mean is the invention, just like the previous ones, will not do what we want it to.
Oh, yes, that is a big possibility. :( I don't know, I still think that taking the risk may pay off for us in the end though.
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Post Post #1859 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:19 am

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LlamaFluff wrote:Tonight I will randomly roleblock one of the four uncleared players, earning me a vote. So if there is no kill it was a result of that, since nothing else can cause one. At daybreak (assuming I am alive and someone died) Kloud should declare if he was blocked or not, and if he wasnt who he tracked. This should create ~50% chance of exposing all possible scum pairings.

Now - I feel that reborn should aslo throw a lie detector invention into the group of four players. With a RB, track(?), lie detector x2 all going off at once we might be able to force at least one player into the "has to be scum" catagory.

That should leave us at 5 players with at least 1 confirmed town, luck will put us at 6 with a confirmed scum.
The plan seems properly thought out, so I will go along with it. I would much prefer taking a risk that could give us more information going into a possible lylo tomorrow.
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Post Post #1860 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:18 am

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LF could be scum repeatedly screwing us up with no kills. I hate how he thinks that his roleblock is the only thing which can make a no kill happen.

No kills are an accepted and celebrated mafia tactic.
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Post Post #1861 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:22 am

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Peters roleblock is slightly different... I dont think it can be described without a mod kill but you will have to trust me on it.
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Post Post #1862 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:55 am

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To clarify what you've said - (paraphrase) "I can't explain something that would confirm me without getting mod-killed, but don't worry, I'm not scum, honest."

You haven't said anything in 1861 that effects what I've said in 1860.
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Post Post #1863 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:01 pm

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Scum will not sumbit no kill, it would just allow you to put out another invention for us to use. If they no lynch I will reveal my RB target but still not run them up as we just got a free invention. It also allows for more Kloud slips as we have more nights.

I just need a little faith in my ability to determine if I RBed scum or not.
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Post Post #1864 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:05 pm

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*ping* sudden idea.

I need to run it by the mod as it might get me killed though
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Post Post #1865 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:07 pm

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I'm pretty confident the invention functions are randomly determined from a list by Farside.

You're throwing out some horrible WIFOM there LF.
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Post Post #1866 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:09 pm

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reborn537 wrote:I'm pretty confident the invention functions are randomly determined from a list by Farside.
No lynch today gives us

1) RB chance
2) Free invention
You're throwing out some horrible WIFOM there LF.
I know. Right now my brain is going all over the place thinking about possible ideas that might work for us. It all has a purpose though, most of it I cant talk about untill postgame.
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Post Post #1867 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:13 pm

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Is anyone against - Using the Lie Detector that Kloud has on a coinflip chance about a nuance of my role. I know that given the T/F its a 50% chance of him guessing right as scum, but it ALSO is a 50% chance of confirming him as scum.

That makes our choices

1) No lynch, No LD useage, Hope for a second LD
2) No lynch, LD usage, 50% chance scum caught, 50% chance nothing learned
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Post Post #1868 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:14 pm

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What on earth is the good of that. If you're about to pull off some horrible gambit which throws the town for a loop, please think twice.
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Post Post #1869 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:35 pm

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Eehhhh..... wait. I was stuck in the "Kloud has to lie if he is scum" mindset but a lie detector should work for town and scum the same. So I would say something about my role (or make something up) and he would have to lie if he was scum. I realize now thats stupid.

Sooooo. I still think we no lynch, I still think I RB a player at random. I still think scum will submit a kill since not submiting one gives a free invention, which we no lynch again from.

That is my basic thoughts right now
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Post Post #1870 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:47 pm

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Dude, they won't be able to use the invention tonight anyway. We sort things today I think. Tomorrow there will be 5 and one wrong town vote = scum win.
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Post Post #1871 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:56 pm

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Ok fine what do we want then? From what I see our options are

1) Choose between Kloud and Dragon
2) No lynch
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Post Post #1872 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:59 pm

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If you're town you really need to stop making posts like that

1) Choose between Kloud, Dragon, RF and EK and then roll the dice during the night with LF's RB if we lynch town.

2/4 of the above are likely to be scum. I say Kloud or Dragon are my top, don't mind which. Slight preference for Kloud.

2) There is no option 2.

The difference between my option 1) and your option 1) is that in mine I didn't leave out the two other unconfirmed.
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Post Post #1873 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:05 pm

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You are missing something. Either Kloud or Dragon HAS TO be scum.

Last night the four unconfirmeds

RF - Roleblocked
EK - Tracked
Kloud - Did Tracking
Dragon - Nothing

So, we know RF did not submit the kill. IF (if) Kloud is a tracker, EK could not of submitted the kill, also it means that Kloud is town aligned. This also means Dragon has to be scum.

Simply put Kloud-town = Dragon-scum

If Kloud is lying, he is scum. This doesnt do anything for us figuring out who submitted the kill, just "Not RF".

Given that AT LEAST one of Kloud/Dragon is scum, we should be looking there unless you can give me some stellar case on why we need to be lynching EK instead. This is partially a game of odds, and the ~66% chance of lynching scum in Kloud/Dragon > 50% chance lynching scum in the group of four.
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Post Post #1874 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:28 am

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bump for vote count.
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