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[Elements]

how did you get that from what I said?

[Elements]

that makes sense
reading through I can see that

[Elements]

although I don't see why he would then say potentially npom in elo

[Elements]

I don't think fire lies about who he targeted?

[Elements]

I don't get why a vanilla cop would ever check a buddy even if they knew there was a tracker in the game. And if they did know there was a tracker in the game they could probably have guessed it was Deathnote from that, so not killing him night three pushes to the side of not knowing.

[Elements]

does he lie to a scum buddy though

[Elements]

I still just think it's ranny

[Elements]

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

[Elements]

I don't forget my scum buddies exist day 1

[Elements]

Ranny really likes ate huh

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Ranny is being significantly more defensive here than anyone else

[Elements]

We haven’t heard from Elements in a while.

@El what do you think of the possibility that DeathNote tracked fire to visit NPOM?

(1) deathnote definitely tracked fire on n2

(2) i think? deathnote actually tracked fire to npom. dn didn't vote him immediately after fire claimed to have checked npom. i think dn was hesitating bc he actually did see that visit. that would imply npom town, no? why does fire-

oh
that explains why dn was so certain npom was town??
does this make sense??????

that makes sense
reading through I can see that

do you not read what I say Ranny?

[Elements]

There are potential mech clears on NPOM and (as I've said a number of times) his day one was very towny. I've been trying to hold on to my town read on NPOM basically the entire game because I'm rlly good at succumbing to recency bias. Like, if someone does one, in my eyes, garbage post, that can often sway my read on them.

[Elements]

not sure why I said that tbh
I'm sat here listening to music so Im probably going to thought splurge

[Elements]

Datisi
NPOM
Luca


Ranny

[Elements]

There are BIG similarities in NPOM here and NPOM in 2148

[Elements]

it just...looks like...Ranny...

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ate is so scummy

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well shit

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VOTE: fast night

[Elements]

VOTE: Luca Blight

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Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.

Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

Is this seriously who you think is scum or is this pressure?

I think it's NPOM

VOTE: Ranny
It's just Ranny then

npom confuses me

does anyone else think npom is spouting random garbage?

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

There are potential mech clears on NPOM and (as I've said a number of times) his day one was very towny. I've been trying to hold on to my town read on NPOM basically the entire game because I'm rlly good at succumbing to recency bias. Like, if someone does one, in my eyes, garbage post, that can often sway my read on them.

At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.

Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.

I find this "case" on me absolutely hilarious. You are literally quoting my confusion at who scum could be and calling it an agenda.
Also Luca, you made the wrong kill. I was erring more on the lise of voting NPOM today if you'd killed Datisi.

[Elements]

*side

[Elements]

Shade at NPOM

Spoiler:

VOTE: saudale

This, within the surrounding context, seems a probable bus. NPOM was hard-pushing Cook, and when the wagon didn't gain traction and the Saudade wagon was picking up pace again (DeathNote had just voted him) NPOM switches to Saudade and then pushes him with utmost conviction. I played with NPOM is a couple of previous games and I don't remember him ever being so sure in his reads as he has been in this game.

And the general 1v1 dynamic between Saudade and NPOM makes sense from someone who knows he's being bussed and just wants to create as much distance as possible.

This also follows a similar pattern:

Nah. It's hard to scum hunt when your answers can't be taken seriously. We can do this the official way though.

VOTE: firebringer

I want to know your role and what actions you took since you want to be coy about it.

VOTE: firebringer

Sounds like he is setting up to retract his cop claim.

VOTE: NPOM

I fake claimed cop our first game together.

Once again DeathNote votes scum, NPOM follows suit and quickly gets into a 1v1 with said scum. Both Saudade and Firebringer played like they were being bussed, given they're both experienced players. I believe the plan behind this was to sacrifice Firebringer for the sake of outing a PR and giving his partner enough towncred to coast home once the PR's had been killed.

I guess it's possible from the perspective that NPOM hard-bussed both partners, and both Saudade and Fire attempted as much distancing as possible before they were yeeted.

It's probably unlikely but I'm getting paranoid. I just came out of a game where an apparent 'conftown' ended up being the last scum and nearly won off the back of it.

See ya... I would expect several players here to do it but Salsa also is a newer player so it isn't a for sure thing.

No, NPOM isn't scum and I don't see how NPOM would ever push the people he pushes as scum.

If he is scum, then hot damn good work and maybe we will catch him in lylo lol

. I just don't see a reason to vote that slot right now

.

I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him. The way he worded this post makes it sound as though he was hard TR'ing NPOM based on play alone and the players he pushed.

When you compare with the Datisi crumb, he gave no reasoning as to why he believed so strongly that Datisi was town, but with NPOM he gives clear reasoning.

[Elements]

Everyone else felt towny at that point except for one of the cop claims so by PoE scum had to be one of the inactives.

I’ll stand by this. There is scum in {Zuko, SoS, Saudade}.

Lists two scum in his early PoE

Flash wagon on SoS go VOTE: SoS

But decides to flash wagon the only Town because..???

I don’t see any convincing reason to vote Zuko rather than SOS.

Right, but this statement could easily be reversed. Also as Datisi and I had pointed out, Zuko's content was scummier in the sense that he tried to make it look as though he was posting content, whereas SoS wasn't trying to dress his posts up at all.

I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

Why? There are people trying to pivot away from the SOS wagon for no good reason but Shiggy isn’t the first one that comes to mind.

This seems like a subtle defence of Zuko, and also a sly attempt to discredit me by making out I was defending SoS, but without naming me directly.

question to the table: why was it so easy to wagon sos yesterday, but zuko never got past 2 votes, despite the slots feeling decently similar

Not enough votes to go around? The vibe I got from Zuko is that he was distracted but willing to try. When SoS posted 771, it became clear that he would never help town and had to go.

@Luca I’ve played two games with PlusJOYED (helped wagon him in the first) and in both of them, he just seemed lost. Like he was some issues to be work out and shouldn’t be playing mafia. I was dead when he was eliminated the second time around, but it was the right choice because he was never going to contribute and the slot was always going to be suspicious.

I don’t feel that way about Zuko’s slot, and I don’t really buy that SoS was a counter-wagon to Zuko, because it was there first. In fact, I’m going to take it nice and chill until Zuko is replaced.

D2 Rannygazoo defends Zuko a bit here, and wanted to take it easy on him until he was replaced.

i cba to do the other two but if you go through Luca's iso from yesterday he's throwing shade at all three of NPOM, Ranny, and I.

[Elements]

ignore the quote in that

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Right now this is where I'm at:

NPOM makes most sense from the perspective of scum bussing hard and committing to that. I'd normally rule this out, but the way Saudade and Firebringer played means this is a possiblilty.

Elements makes most sense in terms of his lack of interest/interactions with the Firebringer slot, and in terms of creating distancing but trying to steer away from the elim before realising it's too far gone.

Rannygazoo makes the most sense in terms of deflecting away from Zuko D1. He looks more Townie than the others in terms of his Saudade stance I'd say. Probably in terms of his Firebringer stance as well.

Gun to head, I'd probably say Elements is most likely, followed by NPOM and then gazoo.

I'm willing to bet that Datisi is Town, and I'd like to hear his opinion on everything before I commit to voting.

This is Luca literally setting himself up to vote whichever way the town choose to lean.

[Elements]

Spoiler:

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

VOTE: Daisy

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca, Shigaraki, Death}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

Updated to include all players, for some reason I thought this was an 11 player game.

Again, I just don't forget a scum buddy at the start of the game.

[Elements]

I am not competent enough as scum to make it to a final three with this much uncertainty going on

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I'm gonna go to the shops
tell us what you want Datisi

[Elements]

Datisi, along your lines of scum!sausage not interacting with his buddies, he never interacted with the Zuko slot and his only interactions with Luca were these two posts. Neither of which are real interactions.

What do you think of Cook, Saudade?

is there a reason for this questions besides trying to appear like you're doing things or?

The fact that most of my scumleans are voting DeathNote makes me even more sure that DeathNote is Town.

Because somehow your scumleans are very accurate at this stage??

[Elements]

VOTE: luca blight

please be town.

if you're asking if i've played with scum!luca, i have once.

Hey Datisi Good to play with you again.

I don't remember you every playing with scum!me?

I think Luca's been softly buddying you from the start of the game too

[Elements]

Whenever he gives reads you're the first name and always in the town section. His questions and reactions towards you are

very[/v] friendly and not antagonising in the slightest

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VOTE: elements

ok cool I'm the lim for today. let's just take that as red.
You are now in this hypothetical scenario where it is you, Luca, Ranny with one scum left. Who are you voting and why?

I don't do this as scum

[Elements]

How are you getting on, Datisi?

and the budding continues

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you're right Luca, following the reads of someone you're buddying is a good tactic

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you're giving my scum game way too little credit here luca

[Elements]

I was fully intent on pushing Cook the following day as well as I didn't believe him to be scum.

[Elements]

I really dislike self-meta, but I cannot imagine myself pushing someone I know to be a cop as scum in the manner I did this game

there are so many quotes like this you've done that are going to be great post game

[Elements]

yes, it's called distancing

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to get to a final three scum have to be good.
Luca has clearly played a better game here than I have, there's like 0 chance I would've made it here as scum with sausage as a partner

[Elements]

You're just saying whatever suits your current line of argument.

that's how lines or argument work...

[Elements]

How badly do you want to win this game though

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only scum lylo
can't remember being in any 3p town ones before

[Elements]

only scum lylo
can't remember being in any 3p town ones before

ignore that, wrong undertale game

[Elements]

here it is

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I'm off to do a discord murder mystery thing now
catch ya later

[Elements]

Luca, when was the last time you played scum?

[Elements]

I don't forget my scum buddies exist day 1

this feels so fucking random lol wtf

it's in reference to my page two readlists

[Elements]

VOTE: elements

ok cool I'm the lim for today. let's just take that as red.
You are now in this hypothetical scenario where it is you, Luca, Ranny with one scum left. Who are you voting and why?

I don't do this as scum

I still think this is the biggest indicator I'm town. The only reason I wasn't the elimination yesterday was NPOM being stubborn. There's no world I do that as scum.

[Elements]

I think you're alive because you defended Elements a bit Yesterday and NPOM thought Elements had scum-slipped during twilight.

I get you Townread me more than Elements Yesterday, but so did NPOM. Elements probably thought that you would be more likely to change your mind than NPOM, who seems very stubborn based on his opinions in this game alone. Perhaps Elements also thought that Luca!scum wouldn't kill Datisi in that scenario, and thought you might become paranoid when you found you were still alive? Idk I can only speculate, but I believe the main reason was probably NPOM's comments during twilight.

TMI post
Luca killed NPOM so he could push the "NPOM was saying elements was scum in twilight" line. That coupled with that you two have a familiarity with each other and that I don't tell people to exile me when I'm scum.
Basically Luca's scum is what I'm saying

[Elements]

why is that concerning to you?

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i am again getting concerned that elements doesn't reply at all to my wallpost, doesn't try to address any of the reasons i wrote for finding them scummier than luca, and instead decides to argue that luca's latest post is tmi.

I don't think there's any point arguing against that I've been generally more scummy than Luca given that I have and I'm hopelessly outmatched in terms of 'analysing' and persuasion so I just have to capitalise on the things that I would never do at scum and Luca's posts that I think show he is scummy the most.

Are you also feeling that Luca's posting has become a lot more direct and focused compared to previous days?
Also all his stuff on self meta is utter garbage due to his break and the fact he's aware of his town meta so can easily recreate it - specifically following the confirmed town.

[Elements]

I think you're alive because you defended Elements a bit Yesterday

Datisi, yesterday I didn't even defend myself. At all. Like...

[Elements]

if you weren't confirmed town I would probably be voting you at this point tbh

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that's entirely based on Luca's play

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Just vote me Datisi
Luca deserves the win at this point tbh

[Elements]

I'm not scum but there's 0 chance I convince you otherwise