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[NoPowerOverMe]

I've had a good scumhunting record in recent games. When you hit scum you gain confidence.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: firebringer

This was a hammer when Fire's elim had already been decided, so I'd say it's NAI. In general there aren't many interactions between Elements and Firebringer, other than Elements asking him if his claim was real.

[Rannygazoo]

I'd be willing to stake my life on Datsi being town.

DeathNote was a

Town Tracker

it really doesn't, no.

This is convincing to clear Datisi.

Based on meta, I think NPOM is just boneheaded town. Scum might have picked up Deathnote’s crumb and killed him. I didn’t notice it, and it sure looks like NPOM didn’t.

Even though I was wrong about Daisy, I’m still feeling Hanlon’s Razor on the way Saudade and FB rolled over. I doubt it’s a deep conspiracy. Scum just didn’t have a plan or communication. I’ll have to reread their interactions (and all of today that I skimmed).

Ok, let’s solve this game today.

[Luca Blight]

Everyone else felt towny at that point except for one of the cop claims so by PoE scum had to be one of the inactives.

I’ll stand by this. There is scum in {Zuko, SoS, Saudade}.

Lists two scum in his early PoE

Flash wagon on SoS go VOTE: SoS

But decides to flash wagon the only Town because..???

I don’t see any convincing reason to vote Zuko rather than SOS.

Right, but this statement could easily be reversed. Also as Datisi and I had pointed out, Zuko's content was scummier in the sense that he tried to make it look as though he was posting content, whereas SoS wasn't trying to dress his posts up at all.

I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

Why? There are people trying to pivot away from the SOS wagon for no good reason but Shiggy isn’t the first one that comes to mind.

This seems like a subtle defence of Zuko, and also a sly attempt to discredit me by making out I was defending SoS, but without naming me directly.

question to the table: why was it so easy to wagon sos yesterday, but zuko never got past 2 votes, despite the slots feeling decently similar

Not enough votes to go around? The vibe I got from Zuko is that he was distracted but willing to try. When SoS posted 771, it became clear that he would never help town and had to go.

@Luca I’ve played two games with PlusJOYED (helped wagon him in the first) and in both of them, he just seemed lost. Like he was some issues to be work out and shouldn’t be playing mafia. I was dead when he was eliminated the second time around, but it was the right choice because he was never going to contribute and the slot was always going to be suspicious.

I don’t feel that way about Zuko’s slot, and I don’t really buy that SoS was a counter-wagon to Zuko, because it was there first. In fact, I’m going to take it nice and chill until Zuko is replaced.

D2 Rannygazoo defends Zuko a bit here, and wanted to take it easy on him until he was replaced.

[NoPowerOverMe]

If Deathnote was being literal, why didn't he just claim?

[Rannygazoo]

I feel like all we've been doing today is waiting for a zuko replacement so we can then eliminate saudade

@luca how do you explain this as coming from scum?

[Luca Blight]

I was hoping for something good from Saudade but we got a lot of fluff instead. We can elim there if you want. Want to do it?

Datisi
Salsabil Faria
Luca/NPOM
Oopsie/Elements (still can’t tell them apart)
Saudade
SoS/Zuko
Cook/Shig

I don’t really think Shig and Cook are scum together, but I really don’t think they’re town together.

DeathNote is in there somewhere idk

I don't get why Rannygazoo was suddenly willing to elim Saudade but not Zuko here, when Zuko was a bigger SR based on the VC in his next post?

[Luca Blight]

I feel like all we've been doing today is waiting for a zuko replacement so we can then eliminate saudade

@luca how do you explain this as coming from scum?

I don't really see how that's alignment-indicative?

It seems like frustration, which could either be Townie or scum frustration.

[Luca Blight]

I also don't get why Elements was suddenly so keen to elim Saudade when he had been TR'ing him not long before and was suspicious of his wagon blowing up.

[Luca Blight]

If Deathnote was being literal, why didn't he just claim?

I guess he wanted to keep his role hidden? It seemed a pretty obvious hint, so he was probably satisfied with that.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm just not sure how a tracker could in any way 100% clear Datisi.

Make it less probable sure, but not 100% clear.

If DeathNote tracked Datisi to a house other than the dead towns, then that just means he's not the killer, he could skill be a non-killing scum.

If DeathNote tracked another player to the dead towns house, I'm pretty confident he would have claimed that.

[Luca Blight]

I'm just not sure how a tracker could in any way 100% clear Datisi.

Make it less probable sure, but not 100% clear.

If DeathNote tracked Datisi to a house other than the dead towns, then that just means he's not the killer, he could skill be a non-killing scum.

If DeathNote tracked another player to the dead towns house, I'm pretty confident he would have claimed that.

He could have tracked Datisi and been told that he went nowhere?

[Luca Blight]

Presumably there is only one scum left, in which case such a result clears Datisi. If there's two scum then we're probably screwed either way.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's possible but there's only one night that could have happened.

[Rannygazoo]

Would DN be able to tell “Datisi did not visit” from “no result”, meaning Datisi is ascetic or something interferes with the actions?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Maybe Luca? You (Ranny) could potentially be scum as well. I like your detailed explanation of Daisy but you hop off FB for a moment due to the claim maybe expecting others to do the same since that's what happened with Cook and when the pressure stays, you get annoyed and return your vote asking for a hammer. I do think you are town but scum could do a similar move with their backs against the wall here.

Luca had a good presence during the shig vote but has since dropped in town status for me.

NPOM/Datisi are the only two I don't see me ever voting. Elements is a hard push too but not impossible.

Confused why DN would track Datisi here.

[Rannygazoo]

That's possible but there's only one night that could have happened.

Yes, that’s the night that there was only one scum left.

NPOM’s boneheaded plowing through facts is exactly his progression as town in Mini Theme 2172. viewtopic.php?p=12318897#p12318897

[Luca Blight]

Right now this is where I'm at:

NPOM makes most sense from the perspective of scum bussing hard and committing to that. I'd normally rule this out, but the way Saudade and Firebringer played means this is a possiblilty.

Elements makes most sense in terms of his lack of interest/interactions with the Firebringer slot, and in terms of creating distancing but trying to steer away from the elim before realising it's too far gone.

Rannygazoo makes the most sense in terms of deflecting away from Zuko D1. He looks more Townie than the others in terms of his Saudade stance I'd say. Probably in terms of his Firebringer stance as well.

Gun to head, I'd probably say Elements is most likely, followed by NPOM and then gazoo.

I'm willing to bet that Datisi is Town, and I'd like to hear his opinion on everything before I commit to voting.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You would think plowing through facts is smart, not boneheaded.

[Luca Blight]

Although given the amount of strong Town power roles this game, I guess it would make sense for scum to have someone who can avoid detection? Ninja perhaps?

I need to consider this further.

[Rannygazoo]

Lists two scum in his early PoE

But decides to flash wagon the only Town because..???

Insinuating I knew?

This seems like a subtle defence of Zuko, and also a sly attempt to discredit me by making out I was defending SoS, but without naming me directly.

It wasn’t that sly. I literally said it when you asked.

I’m tired of rehashing SoS wagon vs Zuko wagon, but Zuko showed that he was willing to cooperate with town and SoS showed that he wasn’t. That’s it. No regrets.

[Rannygazoo]

I want a mass claim. I’m only going to be 100% sure that Datisi is town if Datisi is a PR that visited someone other than Salsa.

[Rannygazoo]

When I say mass claim, I mean Datisi should claim.

[Luca Blight]

Lists two scum in his early PoE

But decides to flash wagon the only Town because..???

Insinuating I knew?

I wasn't insinuating anything, I just don't get why you chose SoS in paricular. It could have been bad luck on your part, but if you're scum then obviously this was deliberate.

This seems like a subtle defence of Zuko, and also a sly attempt to discredit me by making out I was defending SoS, but without naming me directly.

It wasn’t that sly. I literally said it when you asked.

I’m tired of rehashing SoS wagon vs Zuko wagon, but Zuko showed that he was willing to cooperate with town and SoS showed that he wasn’t. That’s it. No regrets.

That makes sense to some degree, but you can understand why I'm suspicious? You tried to shade me for my approach to the SoS wagon while you did the same thing to actual scum.

[Rannygazoo]

@Luca those were good profiles. Please profile yourself too because it’s not going to be the same coming from anyone else.