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[MathBlade]

Flea the Magician -- Day Action
GreyICE — Misc/Invest
Mathblade -- Invest
Marky Mark
Mistyx -- Oracle
Grendel -- Miscellaneous (vig)
Jesse
Dannflor -- Miscellaneous
Titus
Not Known 15
cassowary - Miscellaneous

I believe this is accurate please correct me if I am not correct.

Pedit what kind of questions can you ask Misty?

[Mistyx]

Flea the Magician -- Day Action
GreyICE — Misc/Invest
Mathblade -- Invest
Marky Mark
Mistyx -- Oracle
Grendel -- Miscellaneous (vig)
Jesse
Dannflor -- Miscellaneous
Titus
Not Known 15
cassowary - Miscellaneous

I believe this is accurate please correct me if I am not correct.

Pedit what kind of questions can you ask Misty?

isn't the point of this not to reveal more than a basic amount of information?

[MathBlade]

Flea the Magician -- Day Action
GreyICE — Misc/Invest
Mathblade -- Invest
Marky Mark
Mistyx -- Oracle
Grendel -- Miscellaneous (vig)
Jesse
Dannflor -- Miscellaneous
Titus
Not Known 15
cassowary - Miscellaneous

I believe this is accurate please correct me if I am not correct.

Pedit what kind of questions can you ask Misty?

isn't the point of this not to reveal more than a basic amount of information?

Somewhat. In this case since you full claimed your role, now I am trying to figure out what questions we can ask the mod and what’s in the realm of possibility to catch a scum.

[cassowary]

I mean you made "oracle" one of the categories so I don't know if this actually counts as mistyx full claiming really

[MathBlade]

I made miscellaneous a category and proposed Oracle as her role since scum would likely think it anyway.

She needs to give what questions she can ask then can catch more scum with it.

[cassowary]

In #1107 you made "informed/oracle" a separate category so it doesn't fall under miscellaneous, unless I'm misinterpreting something

[GreyICE]

Also I assume any protective role is gonna claim as "Misc" or I will REALLY have words.

[Grendel]

I'm ok with the Titus wagon as well I think (not a huge fan of the contents of her posts, and still weirded out by the post restriction thing that I don't think she's even addressed), but I don't want to be the one to push her to E-1 yet.

Fwiw, I will see any attempt to elim today before coming up with a coherent plan to try and use Grendel's claimed vig tonight to clear him as both a quickhammer and scumclaim

If we're actually taking this possibility seriously I'd be down to try it as a weird gambit, but I can't really shake the feeling that it's just going to end with us needing to eliminate grendel tomorrow regardless.

I mean, possible scenarios:

Grendel kills target of our choice, they flip scum -> cool, grendel can stay, but what's the chance this happens with all the factors in play?
Grendel kills target of our choice, they flip town -> ??? I think we have to kill grendel
Grendel doesn't do anything -> maybe mafia RB or mafia saving role? or maybe grendel is scum lying about getting blocked. so what do we do here
Grendel kills someone else -> I think we have to kill grendel here too obviously, but problem is if there's some sort of redirecting role out there this is a way for mafia to force a miselim on town!grendel

I feel like these are the things we are going to need to address (as well as coming up with a target for grendel) if we want to make a plan on this and go with a different elimination today.

Beginning to feel like smartest action is for me to holster.

If mafia have redirects then they cant mess w/ me if i holster. Also sloves the cc issue b/c if there is another vig then a 2nd kill confirms im scum tonight. ALso holsetering prevents an early melo tomarrow.

[Grendel]

if mafia didnt have some means for handling a vig i feel like I would've been flipped already atp

rb can be answer for this obviously, but im wary of then having more manipulative/blocking roles.

FOr instance i know scum busdrivers are common on my homesite.

[Grendel]

jessie/Gray/Titus as the team

Thoughts?

I am less sold on grey being scum than I was before - their recent posts have been ++ town. Titus/Jessie/<1 of NK15 | Dannfloor> is where my head is at rn

Well I'd definitely flip Titus, or jesse, over Grey rn

[Grendel]

i guess i dont have anyhting to say about the mass claim since i've already claimed.

I hope it works as a strat here.

[MathBlade]

In #1107 you made "informed/oracle" a separate category so it doesn't fall under miscellaneous, unless I'm misinterpreting something

Whoops it’s I done goofed /me facepalms

[MathBlade]

I'm ok with the Titus wagon as well I think (not a huge fan of the contents of her posts, and still weirded out by the post restriction thing that I don't think she's even addressed), but I don't want to be the one to push her to E-1 yet.

Fwiw, I will see any attempt to elim today before coming up with a coherent plan to try and use Grendel's claimed vig tonight to clear him as both a quickhammer and scumclaim

If we're actually taking this possibility seriously I'd be down to try it as a weird gambit, but I can't really shake the feeling that it's just going to end with us needing to eliminate grendel tomorrow regardless.

I mean, possible scenarios:

Grendel kills target of our choice, they flip scum -> cool, grendel can stay, but what's the chance this happens with all the factors in play?
Grendel kills target of our choice, they flip town -> ??? I think we have to kill grendel
Grendel doesn't do anything -> maybe mafia RB or mafia saving role? or maybe grendel is scum lying about getting blocked. so what do we do here
Grendel kills someone else -> I think we have to kill grendel here too obviously, but problem is if there's some sort of redirecting role out there this is a way for mafia to force a miselim on town!grendel

I feel like these are the things we are going to need to address (as well as coming up with a target for grendel) if we want to make a plan on this and go with a different elimination today.

Beginning to feel like smartest action is for me to holster.

If mafia have redirects then they cant mess w/ me if i holster. Also sloves the cc issue b/c if there is another vig then a 2nd kill confirms im scum tonight. ALso holsetering prevents an early melo tomarrow.

If you holster there’s no difference between that and elimming you.

[MathBlade]

if mafia didnt have some means for handling a vig i feel like I would've been flipped already atp

rb can be answer for this obviously, but im wary of then having more manipulative/blocking roles.

FOr instance i know scum busdrivers are common on my homesite.

Nah if you’re scum they don’t elim you to give you room
And if you’re town they don’t elim you to see how strategy plays out
There’s also the possibility that you’re scum with Jesse and NK15 and it’s all just inactives

[Marky Mark]

If you holster there’s no difference between that and elimming you.

The benefit it would give us would be seeing if there was still 2x kills tonight

without

grendel claiming to have killed anyone. If there is still 2x kills then grendel is v likely lying about being a vig, if there is only 1x kill then it corroborates grendel's claim

So either way, we would be able to make a substantially more informed decision about whether to elim grendel tomorrow

[Marky Mark]

I'm VT/no power btw as a category, although I have a moderate amount of suspicion that I may have a passive trait that I'm unaware of based on the flavour of my role pm (not sure if that is too bastard for this, but would make sense given my flavour)

[Marky Mark]

To clarify ^ - there is a specific passive trait that I think I might have based on my flavour

[Flea The Magician]

The amount I want to say, and the amount I can say, is stupid.

[Mistyx]

If you holster there’s no difference between that and elimming you.

The benefit it would give us would be seeing if there was still 2x kills tonight

without

grendel claiming to have killed anyone. If there is still 2x kills then grendel is v likely lying about being a vig, if there is only 1x kill then it corroborates grendel's claim

So either way, we would be able to make a substantially more informed decision about whether to elim grendel tomorrow

isn't the logic that grendel might be scum vig though

[MathBlade]

Flea the Magician -- Day Action
GreyICE — Misc/Invest
Mathblade -- Invest
Marky Mark
Mistyx -- Oracle
Grendel -- Miscellaneous (vig)
Jesse
Dannflor -- Miscellaneous
Titus
Not Known 15
cassowary - Miscellaneous

I believe this is accurate please correct me if I am not correct.

Pedit what kind of questions can you ask Misty?

isn't the point of this not to reveal more than a basic amount of information?

Somewhat. In this case since you full claimed your role, now I am trying to figure out what questions we can ask the mod and what’s in the realm of possibility to catch a scum.

Mistyx what are the rules for the questions you can ask?

[Mistyx]

it has to be about the setup directly and not about the alignments of players or roles

it's sort of vague admittedly

[MathBlade]

it has to be about the setup directly and not about the alignments of players or roles

it's sort of vague admittedly

What question did you ask to determine it was 8 v3?

That seems you’d have to mention like how many scum there are no?

[Mistyx]

it has to be about the setup directly and not about the alignments of players or roles

it's sort of vague admittedly

What question did you ask to determine it was 8 v3?

That seems you’d have to mention like how many scum there are no?

again, it's sort of vague

[Marky Mark]

If you holster there’s no difference between that and elimming you.

The benefit it would give us would be seeing if there was still 2x kills tonight

without

grendel claiming to have killed anyone. If there is still 2x kills then grendel is v likely lying about being a vig, if there is only 1x kill then it corroborates grendel's claim

So either way, we would be able to make a substantially more informed decision about whether to elim grendel tomorrow

isn't the logic that grendel might be scum vig though

Others had suggested that a scum vig was v unlikely based on its rarity in the site meta. I haven't played enough games to know how frequent they are (I've never run into one)

[Marky Mark]

@Math - have you managed to fathom anything useful from the mass semi-claim?