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[NoPowerOverMe]

Yeah I need to work on that.

[Datisi]

idk
like the three of you look so damn similar
bloccing on every single wagon
parroting each other

i feel like i could nitpick things but does anything make sense anymore?

like i'd say elements' play looks the least planned out here

from mid-day 2 onwards npom looks lowkey tmi-ing shit
but that second vote on fire?? was???? unnecessary???????

the only thing bothering me about elements is that they lowkey disappeared when fire was getting run up
ranny also wasn't present too much unless to slap the e-1 vote on tho ehhhh idk

like idk if i can get over the fact that saudade was arguing with everyone alive at some point other than ranny

[Rannygazoo]

Fine, I'll mention some things I did that others might not have noticed.

I'm cop lmao

Powerful and underrated post

I kept bringing this up because I was trying to bait a nightkill as VT like Shig did.

What are the odds Cook and Shig are both scum, counting on town to think one of the cop claims must be real?

It’s not a bad gambit. Vanilla cop is uncommon for these setups, right?

This is actually a townslip. When I said vanilla cop, I meant ungated cop. If I had been on a scum team with an actual vanilla cop, I would have know that it's a role in and of itself.

Saudade coming in high on bluster, low on content reminds me of scum!Flavor Leaf.

I didn't want to interact with Saudade after being scolded by Noraa, but all my interactions were along these lines. I never saw anything to townread about Saudade.

I can’t imagine what went down in that scum pt. Actually, I can. Nothing, because Daisy was gone and FB was alone.

FB’s claim was so weird that I don’t know whether or not he actually thought he was hammered or if it was just AtE. What is clear is that he didn’t have time to think his claim through, which probably means there was no one to discuss it with.

Ultimately we agree that Daisy is the best choice, and guessing what Salsa might have done isn’t enough of a reason to skip over the slot.

I STILL THINK THIS LOGIC IS RIGHT, just replace Daisy with El

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

Why? There are people trying to pivot away from the SOS wagon for no good reason but Shiggy isn’t the first one that comes to mind.

im masons with SoS and Prince Zuko.

Ok now this is obvious BS. I don’t get why you’re protecting the inactives.

He’s already said that he’s death tunneling Cook. He’ll say anything to keep votes on Cook and off anyone else. Just disregard him for the rest of the day.

good post

This is somewhat damning.

[Rannygazoo]

like idk if i can get over the fact that saudade was arguing with everyone alive at some point other than ranny

Do bear in mind that a mod intervened between us?

[Datisi]

what

i have no memory of that? link pls

[Rannygazoo]

Literally iso me and look for the mod colors editing my post, and the mod posts after that

[Rannygazoo]

Like you said, not a good time. (I was just having fun with Saudade. Not a good time getting scolded by mods.)

[NoPowerOverMe]

scum theater?

[Rannygazoo]

the only thing bothering me about elements is that they lowkey disappeared when fire was getting run up
ranny also wasn't present too much unless to slap the e-1 vote on tho ehhhh idk

I actually think my interactions with FB were quite towny.

I voted him out of annoyance because he was spewing.

When he claimed (pretending to think he was hammered) and I saw how high the wagon was, I unvoted to step back and reconsider.

When he couldn't back up his claim, I put my vote back and asked for a hammer when he started spewing again.

Then El showed up out of nowhere?

[Datisi]

idk i don't think saudade would give a shit about that

and i'm saying he was shading everyone alive, i.e. calling us scum
he was voting me at some point, he was doing the weird accusation of luca, he was voting npom, he was calling ele's posts trash

also i think i had a bit too much coffe bc my face feels weird, should i be worried

[Rannygazoo]

scum theater?

Please don't with this. Some things are Just Not Fun.

People said this about me in my newbie game too when scum was counterclaiming me, and I really hated how I was being antagonized.

[Rannygazoo]

Like, looking back on it, I should have talked to the mod about it, or just left and never looked back.

[Rannygazoo]

he was calling ele's posts trash

That's... not the same thing as scum

[Rannygazoo]

the only thing bothering me about elements is that they lowkey disappeared when fire was getting run up
ranny also wasn't present too much unless to slap the e-1 vote on tho ehhhh idk

I actually think my interactions with FB were quite towny.

I voted him out of annoyance because he was spewing.

When he claimed (pretending to think he was hammered) and I saw how high the wagon was, I unvoted to step back and reconsider.

When he couldn't back up his claim, I put my vote back and asked for a hammer when he started spewing again.

Then El showed up out of nowhere?

I don't think that elim would have happened if not for me. Maybe you can look back on it and form a different opinion, but there wasn't a real reason to elim FB there, until the bad claim that I squeezed out of him.

Do you really think it would have played out that way if we shared a scum pt?

[Datisi]

I squeezed out of him

so i relooked at your posts from d3 and like this never happened?

[Rannygazoo]

He claimed because of my vote, where he pretended to think he was hammered.

[Elements]

Why is El making a big deal out of me wanting Zuko to post or be replaced before acting on that slot, when this post exists?]

I was talking about this

I don’t see the benefit of ending the day before Zuko and Saudade catch up.

[Rannygazoo]

[Elements]

except that they're over 900 posts apart. but yes, in both of them you are asking for time for your scum buddies to catch up

[Rannygazoo]

So we’re both scum??????

[Elements]

how did you get that from what I said?

[Luca Blight]

ngl i think this is solved going ranny > npom

or even npom > ranny

idk ranny is my logical choice for scum rn and npom is my ??????? choice for scum rn

How tf did you remove Elements from your POE? You said you've been mindmelding with Luca, but Elements?? The guy who did nothing all day but snipe at Daisy and insincerely shade scum when it was convenient?

I think that's a big mistake.

I also wish Luca wouldn't put the pressure of a decision on you when it's clearly hard enough for you already.

This seems a pretty weird thing to say.

Datisi is the conftown. If I were the conftown in the same position, I would expect to call the shots as well.. I feel as though you're trying to shade me in a very subtle manner with regards to this - it's the only explanation I can think of for why you keep bringing this up.

[Luca Blight]

Look at how the wagons on Saudade and Firebringer developed, though. There was never a super good case against either of them. They both just sort of happened without real opposition, even from Saudade and Firebringer themselves. Scum had communication and morale issues. So we can rule out Datisi and Luca. With Datisi capable of posts like 1142, he would have done something in the main thread to derail the wagons, or at least kept his buddy's spirits up in the scum pt. Luca would have kept his buddy in the game too.

So it's down to Elements or Daisy. There were no real interactions with Firebringer, so let's look at interactions with Saudade.

I feel like all we've been doing today is waiting for a

zuko

replacement so we can then eliminate

saudade

(Coloring mine) I don't see this coming from scum. Why call out your two buddies like that at once?

Luca, you said so yourself (

too late for it to matter

) that the above post is NAI. I had thought scum would be self-conscious about mentioning both buddies like that, but now it seems like El was voicing frustration that there was attention on both buddies for that day.

I still think day play points to the 3rd scum being El. If anyone disagrees, let's talk about it. These blind spots in your PoEs are worrying.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by the bolded?

And I'm still considering Elements, but I'm far from convinced right now that they're the last scum.

[Luca Blight]

At this point I believe Datisi is Town and I’m willing to let him decide this elim.

Possibly NPOM is cleared? If that’s the case then eliminating Rannygazoo + elements guarantees a win fmpov. Right now I honestly have no idea which one is more likely to be scum.

This is less solvey than I’ve come to expect from you.

I think it's pretty understandable in the context of having two potential clears.

I just finished a game where I was in this exact position, with there being a conftown in a 4T v 1S scenario, and I said the exact same. When I'm not sure who is scum I am always fine letting the conftown decide, especially when I trust that player's judgement.

So the lesson learned is not to trust yourself? There goes the respect I had for you as a player.

I'm trying really really hard not to OMGUS Luca because I'm trying to understand how he's considering the possibility of scum!me setting up a win next day. What Luca doesn't understand is that I'm trying to stop the game from getting to next day!

I'll have to go on without your respect then, as I stand by what I said.

It's not about not trusting myself - if I had a sure SR in this situation I'd be hard-pushing it, although I'd still accept that it's the conftown's call at the end of the day. The fact of the matter is that I don't know who the last scum is right now, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

And you last sentence doesn't really ring true - you were settling for an easy Elements elim while shading me at the same time. How can you not see why I'd think you were possibly scum prepping for ELO based on that? And you've continued to shade me in what I consider to be a disingenuous way.