Mini Normal 2193 | A Member Of The SKs | Town Wins!

[Battle Mage]

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heeeeeeeeeeeeeey. first things first let me tell you about myself. so. going into this i was really scared of rolling maf, like terrified. i haven’t played in a good while so i'd prob be really rusty and get power elimmed LOL. so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green. and uh. gonna be real i don’t think i know how to play as maf anymore and i'd prob ask my team to throw me under the bus, like, instantly on day 1 lmao. but i'm town!! all is right in the world and i'm town town TOWN

also another thing about me is that i always find maf if you give me enough time. like, i will always find them no matter how good they are. lying is tiring and maf will always always always wear down over time. if you know what yyo're looking for you’ll see when that happens, like when they start to lose energy and start posting less, and that's what i’ll use to find tthem. what i'm saying here is... basically, is that even if you think i'm maf you should give me a few days. cuz if i'm town i'm sure as hell gonna find you the team. so yeah

blergh. this plus highest poster.

VOTE: Gretchen

[Battle Mage]

heeeeeeeeeeeeeey. first things first let me tell you about myself. so. going into this i was really scared of rolling maf, like terrified. i haven’t played in a good while so i'd prob be really rusty and get power elimmed LOL. so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green. and uh. gonna be real i don’t think i know how to play as maf anymore and i'd prob ask my team to throw me under the bus, like, instantly on day 1 lmao. but i'm town!! all is right in the world and i'm town town TOWN

also another thing about me is that i always find maf if you give me enough time. like, i will always find them no matter how good they are. lying is tiring and maf will always always always wear down over time. if you know what yyo're looking for you’ll see when that happens, like when they start to lose energy and start posting less, and that's what i’ll use to find tthem. what i'm saying here is... basically, is that even if you think i'm maf you should give me a few days. cuz if i'm town i'm sure as hell gonna find you the team. so yeah

These posts are both clearly from a town slot. This just isn't something scum does; scum aren't going to flash a bright neon attention sign on themselves, not this early in the game. Therefore, Gretchen is lock town Day 1 from these posts alone. Anyone pushing here is scum trying to get an easy lim, and I won't stand for it.

Yuck no no no. Stretching credulity to the limits here my friend! It's quite possible for newbie scum to just look like newbie scum.

I don't understand how you can reach a conclusion someone is obvtown, but also anyone pushing them is looking for an easy lim - doesn't make sense.

VOTE: inthebeginning

[Battle Mage]

VT all the way.

I havr FOS on Gret and Sam. Gamma and HUB town. The rest are still null.

someone claimed already?

[Battle Mage]

VT all the way.

I havr FOS on Gret and Sam. Gamma and HUB town. The rest are still null.

VOTE: Funeral

This was NOT hammer.

Funeral conftown then.

I don't think lunar and bm are both scum, I just think saying "there has to be s/s theater already!" is just not a valid argument when scum could have very low activity players, if not bm/ lunar then cookie would be a potential

what the....low activity players? the game opened today

still happy with my vote. defending gretchen seems like a good white-knight move for scum.

[Battle Mage]

i should be top town

you are

there are 4 confirmed towns in my mind now + me = 5

that leaves hub/ydrasse/cookie/italiano/lunar/gamma/inthebeginning

hub and ydrasse have seemed on the up and up, and if inthebeginning is ircher then I'm doomed to think he's mafia no matter what; I even thought he was mafia when I was mafia

why do you have me as conftown?

[Battle Mage]

why?

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unless i was scum with them?

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although i guess you have them as conftown too... ok.

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Gretchen is obviously town and anyone voting them should be ashamed for such an awful read.

Not sure about obvious. I’m not gonna locktown anyone yet.

honestly I feel like the people defending Gretchen off the bat could be scum whiteknighting town
Itb is an obvious culprit, I think I saw something from you that felt that way too

i see Gamma was way ahead of me.

[Battle Mage]

i should be top town

you are

there are 4 confirmed towns in my mind now + me = 5

that leaves hub/ydrasse/cookie/italiano/lunar/gamma/inthebeginning

hub and ydrasse have seemed on the up and up, and if inthebeginning is ircher then I'm doomed to think he's mafia no matter what; I even thought he was mafia when I was mafia

hub and ydrasse and inthebeginning are all town i think LOL. so if i can get you as town and trust your reads, this is a really good start

can you tell me why inthebeginning is town? i don't currently think this...

Funeral conftown then.

can you actually expand on this thought? I don't totally get the connection you're making

i could but i won't, as it's a bit angle-shooty and not good for the game. i'll have my read but i'm not going to elaborate on that aspect.

[Battle Mage]

clock is ticking

this brings back my first thought on gretchen: if this isn't not_mafia I'm voting them

Explain this?

also are we all ignoring that tracker claim so that mafia don't see it or something even though mafia already did immediately

i don't think scum post this, so townblock: Funeral, Samantha.

so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green.

I didn't have any green in my town PM.

this is cute.

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haha if that is a legit crumb, it is not a good crumb. currently i am minded to recommend people just...don't crumb. unless you can make it super discreet and clever but also go all-in with it (i.e. no cop-outs).

PS: That wasn't a cop crumb

[Battle Mage]

Explain this?

I read their first post(s) as trolling and that's the only person I've seen actively troll on this site

Not Mafia is not a prolific poster. I think it's more likely that this is a bastard Mod game where we're all town, than that be a Not Mafia alt.

I can't believe you played more than 1-2 games and not seen people troll more than him.

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i sort of feel like i want to resolve the InTheBeginning slot now.

What else can ya do
When they look like scum
And they can't fool you
With a half-baked crumb

Run up, force a claim. if tracker, we ain't lost anything because scum already assume this and we can rely on a protective/protective WIFOM - we pin them down to a claim which can be easily verified (and could be countered if fake). if VT, we probably just elim.

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haha if that is a legit crumb, it is not a good crumb. currently i am minded to recommend people just...don't crumb. unless you can make it super discreet and clever but also go all-in with it (i.e. no cop-outs).

PS: That wasn't a cop crumb

Yeah

No one should crumb power roles

It tends to just confuse the gamestate

To give you some clarity, I am going to

claim Vanilla Townie

.

[Battle Mage]

if you're the real Boon, you'll be pushing a massclaim right about now

[Battle Mage]

darn

[Battle Mage]

....now i'm stumped. when did i lose as a mason? and who was i paired with? hmmm

[Battle Mage]

ohhhh were we the lucha dragons?

[Battle Mage]

ohhhh were we the lucha dragons?

Spoiler:

brilliant, good to see ya again dude!

[Battle Mage]

Esoteric and Ydrasse can be Town.

why?

[Battle Mage]

ohhhh were we the lucha dragons?

Spoiler:

brilliant, good to see ya again dude!

ignore the "dude" if that's a pronoun thing btw...

[Battle Mage]

Lunar please gimme some reasons - i'm open-minded here, and wanna sort people before we get to like page 50...

[Battle Mage]

at a guess, there's probably 1 scum in the 2nd and 3rd person who specifically said their role pm was not literally the colour green.

[Battle Mage]

so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green.

I didn't have any green in my town PM.

wait. what? are you claiming maf?

According to Ydrasse, samantha, and zoomer they didn’t have colors in their pms.

not super keen on this...

red in spirit for the bloodlust

What do you mean by this?

the pms don’t have color but yours is red in spirit

(you seemed stilted so i called you mafia)

i'm ok with this - not really trying to get towncred.

so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green.

I didn't have any green in my town PM.

Same mine is white

issue was long dead by then. scumpoints.

[Battle Mage]

yeah i'm also ok with having Lunar in the Day 1 elim pool if he's not going to give anything we can really hold him to account on.

[Battle Mage]

or indeed they

fking pronouns, fkity fk

[Battle Mage]

haha if that is a legit crumb, it is not a good crumb. currently i am minded to recommend people just...don't crumb. unless you can make it super discreet and clever but also go all-in with it (i.e. no cop-outs).

PS: That wasn't a cop crumb

Got it. Battle Mage is a cop. Don't tell anyone though.

welcome to the Battle Mage school of crumbing.

Tell people crumbing is bad...make a crumb...then explicitly deny it was a crumb.

[Battle Mage]

ItalianoVD feels all over the place. I sorta like it though...need a full read to get the vibe.

[Battle Mage]

can we get more reasons to read players rather than their 'vibe'

It's gut. Gotta regard it.

well i think making a post just to say someone's 'vibe is off' is just someone tryna look busy

word

[Battle Mage]

I'm trying to imagine a world where all of the following are town: funeral, samantha, gretchen and italiano

where does that leave us?

[Battle Mage]

shooting in a pool of:

cookie monster, esoteric and inthebeginning i guess

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: cookie monster

good way to sort Ydrasse and Gamma too

[Battle Mage]

i'll stick Ydrasse in the townblock too - think this is her natural towngame.

[Battle Mage]

yep - i hadnt really thought about Ydrasse at all until post 642. Then I remembered my experience playing with Ydrasse-scum (both as a teammate and opponent) and Ydrasse-town. This feels much more like the latter.

[Battle Mage]

Battle mage please we don’t need to remember that embarrassing game....

haha i barely do remember tbh - you have improved loads since then, so hardly recognisable.

Spoiler:

me...maybe not so much

if you guys wanna flip the slot that wants to chomp the mafia over like lunar martian this game then this is gonna be a rough time

lunar martian is one to watch but not top of my list. I'm not sure what to make of the fact that, when under a bit of pressure, he actually explained himself when I asked. I feel like as town there's a good chance he just ignores me completely. But it's a very thin cut. And he's the low-hanging fruit here.

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i’m starting to think italiano is genuine this game from his efforts to explain but the vc makes me ...?

UNVOTE:

Why do you think that of all things?

i will say, for me, i'm also townleaning Italiano for effort and inconsistency here. I vaguely recall playing with Italiano-scum and they had more of a jokey tongue-in-cheek approach.

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VOTE: Italiano

Claiming PR with a guilty.

you're a daycop or something?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Italiano

Claiming PR with a guilty.

you're a daycop or something?

Daytracker. I tracked Italiano to the scum PT. It's located in New Jersey, btw.

haha a bold move dude but I don't buy it.

VOTE: Lunar Martian

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if there's 1 thing I know about lunar martian, it's that they hate claiming as town.

[Battle Mage]

you're kidding Battle Mage. right? i can't actually tell

i'm about as serious as can be in these circumstances...

it's page 28 in a mini game. I don't think Lunar is the sort of player to joke around about their role as town, so they are probably scum. The elim was quick, but I'm relatively sanguine(?) about it.

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if it flips town, I guess I'll revisit some of my reads given wagon composition

[Battle Mage]

hmm I actually quite liked Gretchen's stuff of late. She's growing on me!

[Battle Mage]

unless you dead?

[Battle Mage]

excellent, I'm going to NK you then

[Battle Mage]

hey samantha - can i count on your support tomorrow?

[Battle Mage]

there's madness to my method

[Battle Mage]

italiano/gamma/hub/battle mage is my thesis

gretchen probably died for this ^

is this a joke or serious?

I doubt Gretchen was killed by any of Mafia/SK/Vig for having dud reads.

VOTE: esotericzoomer

this will do until I read the rest tonight.

[Battle Mage]

like someone has to be right unless cookie started the wagon for the weakest reason of her life as scum and then the entirety of the town jumped on

Well, BM and Sam both jumped on it so it wasn't all town imo.

lol you know im town right?

[Battle Mage]

i would guess gretchen was killed by scum for being loud and probably not a viable mis-elim.

[Battle Mage]

damnit this is so active, ill catch up later or ill be late back from lunch

[Battle Mage]

italiano/gamma/hub/battle mage is my thesis

gretchen probably died for this ^

is this a joke or serious?

I doubt Gretchen was killed by any of Mafia/SK/Vig for having dud reads.

VOTE: esotericzoomer

this will do until I read the rest tonight.

no yeah im sure they were killed because they were widely townread

i think they were townread by enough influential players that they wouldn't have been a viable elim, so yeah I think so. Scum 101 is wanting to dominate the town, and prolific town posters are an obstruction to that.

[Battle Mage]

Cookie Monster
esotericzoomer
Gamma Emerald
Funeral Goose
ItalianoVD
In the beginning

conftown
samantha97
Battle Mage
Ydrasse

9 alive, 1/3rd of the game is currently mafia

so as a baseline we have a 50% chance of hitting mafia blind, but I think we only can get 1 wrong right

also I'm suspending battlemage's double voter power until in the beginning posts sry

VOTE: inthebeginning

[Battle Mage]

imagine gretchen fucking destroyed this game and its bm, italiano, and gamma

lol give it up dude

[Battle Mage]

my soulread is funeral bm gamma but i suck at this game so im likely wrong

yeah, you're wrong. is this really the time for a hero solve? wouldn't it be better to focus on hitting 1 scum?

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what's with people in gretchen's poe and thinking i'm directly implicating them my mentioning it

because that's what you explicitly said.

italiano/gamma/hub/battle mage is my thesis

gretchen probably died for this ^

is this a joke or serious?

I doubt Gretchen was killed by any of Mafia/SK/Vig for having dud reads.

VOTE: esotericzoomer

this will do until I read the rest tonight.

wanna mention that this is gross ^

let me guess...it's gross that I think you're scum?

[Battle Mage]

hey sam why is bm conf town

you should die today for this rolefishing alone

[Battle Mage]

bm being alive d2 IS a little sus.....

....why? I'm a claimed VT, didn't do much on Day 1, and am still a viable mis-elim, especially given I was on wagon yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

gretchen was probably killed for being right somewhere so yeah

i think i've covered this, but gretchen had a 4-player pool at end of day - I know I'm town, 1 other player in there flipped town. So at best, 2/4 were scum, which isn't the most amazing. And given the amount of people peddling this argument, it feels much more likely to me that the Gretchen kill was to frame somebody in that pool.

battle mage what do you think of italiano right now

not sure, slightly less town than yday

[Battle Mage]

why did i out as vig now i have credibility and if i’m wrong all the townies will laugh at me

genuine question - why do you think you have credibility? if you're actually claiming to have killed town last night, in a game where there may be multiple scum killing factions, I'm not sure it really does you any favours?

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bro if you think anyone is 100% serious when they make a herosolve then you need to chill a bit and that's one hell of a stretch to make me look like im rolefishing when all i'm asking for is an explanation of a read

it was fairly obviously a (not so subtle) crumb, and you were fishing for a roleclaim.

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gamma gets a pass tho cus i am actually directly going after him

good luck with that

[Battle Mage]

sks can’t be in normals i’m p sure

that being said: hardclaiming vig who shot hub, uh, was put off by some stuff he posted

(<3 you hub i’m sorry)

MOD: Can you please confirm Serial Killer is not in the setup?

also that's a rough shot really.

hmmm

i wonder if funeral goose knew they weren’t hammered

even if they did, i quite liked the claim.

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bro if you think anyone is 100% serious when they make a herosolve then you need to chill a bit and that's one hell of a stretch to make me look like im rolefishing when all i'm asking for is an explanation of a read

it was fairly obviously a (not so subtle) crumb, and you were fishing for a roleclaim.

if that was a crumb then im sorry sam but you gotta improve at that

in a world where sam is a cop with a green check or something, saying someone is conftown is not a crumb and is tantamount to actually claiming

I just want to kill you

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it’s a mini normal lol

there’s not any other hostile faction save maf

then why name it "a member of the SKs"? if Mod can confirm, you're good.

Spoiler:

although can we talk about who you're planning to kill tonight?

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Ydrasse, can we elim esotericzoomer?

[Battle Mage]

you can shoot whoever you want

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maybe SK stands for something different then

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haha dude, if you're town, i am gonna say to you post-game...what were you doing?

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maybe it's a member of the South Koreans

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reminds me of my work excursion to Pyongyang

Spoiler:

It was a Korea highlight

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VOTE: inthebeginning

just realised what Samantha was saying

[Battle Mage]

so prompt

also ew serial killer

not possible with current normal rules
also I refuse to believe HUB was a vig shot so I'm curious who might have wanted HUB dead

You didn't know Ydrasse had claimed Vig shooting HUB here, but you did know that HUB was not killed by mafia.

How come?

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damn i was hoping the name of the game might be a lie

The title would imply multiple SKs, right?

How do we know we aren't dealing with a vig?

I am pretty sure scum took out HUB. I would have if I were scum.

D2 start vibes tell me sam, BM and ydrasse are the PoE.

Gamma, you're town right?

i sorta feel like this is so completely off-track it must be scum right? damn...

first two lines imply being mafia (because mafia would knows there's no SKs, and must be Vig).
third line is a misdirect - scum apparently killed Gretchen. Defensively claims he would have killed HUB instead.
fourth line has a PoE with 2 conftown and 1 likely town.
fifth line is total fluff.

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first two lines imply being mafia (because mafia would knows there's no SKs, and must be Vig).

How would mafia specifically know that

the hypothesis was multiple SKs. If he's mafia, he knows there isn't multiple SKs because town would be stuffed.

[Battle Mage]

stick Gamma in the PoE I guess

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i have read up to this point.

i remain happy elimming 'in the beginning' today.

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i'm not really convinced, but if the inthebeginning guilty from samantha was a bluff, I'll drop it...

VOTE: italianoVD

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if i’m wrong and i die in the night shout out to town this should give you a good poe

i hope you're right - it's not top of my list of ideal targets today. if you can shoot esoteric tonight, you'd be doing us a solid though.

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yeah i hope i'm vi here rather than italiano being town else this is mad dumb

i feel ya!

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didn't inthebeginning claim a PR btw? how come he didn't die last night? pfft

[Battle Mage]

Crap, I wanted to hammer myself

haha sorry, i gotta get those reps

[Battle Mage]

Any questions in twilight?

yeah if you're town, chuck some reads at us. i have no idea what's going on.

[Battle Mage]

hope Ydrasse doesn't shoot me tonight

[Battle Mage]

hey samantha, do you legit have an inno on me?

[Battle Mage]

helpful to confirm so i dont get vigged lol

[Battle Mage]

I’ve been wrong and really been thrown off this game. I was suspicious of Gretchen and was wrong. I’m suspicious of Cookie, in the beginning, and Zoomer. That’s where y’all need to go tomorrow.

Just remember don’t go after Funeral, still don’t understand why that was a thing.

yeah this is basically where my reads were today. although I'd have it as a 4-player PoE with Gamma in too. I think Funeral is just a rogue townie.

I'd say Gamma-Zoomer for sure, with Cookie or Itb.

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he's not getting a pass from me. i dunno why we elimmed italiano today but it was a clear consensus.

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i'm sorta hoping i can eat an NK so I don't need to take the responsibility for knowing what's going on

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well to your point, obviously a scum NK, not a vig shot

you think Ydrasse should just shoot Gamma here?

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ah yeah im with ya on that

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i don't think scum team is necessarily that intelligent, so ya never know #shade #bringit

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no pressure ydrasse, but if italiano flips town and you blow your shot tonight, it's probably game over anyway

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and yet you think I'm scum
WELL FUCK YOU TOO!

lol nah i know you're smart mate, but you're only 1 guy <3

[Battle Mage]

I am a Town 2-Shot Tracker.

I tracked esotericzoomer N1 because I scum read them. They didn't go anywhere on my watch.
I tracked Cookie Monster N2. She also went nowhere.

I also received a message last night. I won't say what it was or who it was from but I'll acknowledge I received it.

We probably should have forced this claim yesterday, so Samantha could verify it.

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Ydrasse being alive is unexpected

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Samantha's suspicion on ITB may be simply that she thought it was unlikely to have a tracker and watcher in the same game. 2 gated investigatives could work though. Tracker is also a slightly risky fakeclaim here, so points for that. Need to think about it.

I think massclaim is the way forward!

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I did do some reading during night phase. My notes say "less likely scum is in the beginning based on the hard push but no vote."

which I think means, ItalianoVD pushed ITB very hard (much harder than anyone else), but never voted for them. If it was distancing, surely they make that vote? Looked more like trying to push a mis-elim from the sidelines.

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I think it's Gamma today. Surely 1 scum within Gamma-Funeral Goose, and 1 scum within Cookie-ITB-Zoomer. I'll give benefit of the doubt to Ydrasse.

I would take a look at Hub, Gamma, or Ydrasse if Funeral does flip town.

These are very quick and light reads to give an idea of where my head is. These are all obviously subject to change depending on what happens...

Spoiler:

town:

Goose - as stated a gut read just from postings and interactions. Also I didn’t like how their wagon came about.

Battle Mage - I played one game with Battle Mage (town) and I read another where he was (scum) and my gut tells me he is town. Hasn’t had the most content, but from what I’ve seen I feel like he’s town.

probably town:

Hub - Not really confident putting Hub here as I’ve never played with them and don’t really know what to look for. Postings and interactions have felt decent, but I gotta go with my gut here and it’s telling me they’re more than likely town.

Lunar - Although Lunar’s activity is lacking, the few posts he has made reminds me of Newbie 2049 where he was town.

null:

Gamma - I have only played one game with Gamma and he was scum. I don’t know what tells to look for from town!Gamma, but should be able to sort the slot better once we have some flips.

Ydrasse - Very similar to Gamma here. I have also played exactly only one game with Ydrasse and she was scum, but don’t know what to look for when she’s town. It’s also a slot like Gamma that I’ll have to wait for flips/reveals. I was leaning town for Ydrasse earlier, but there have been things that pinged me and has had me push her up and down the readslist.

Samantha - Can’t really read Samantha. She scumread me which made me think she was scum, but not sure at the moment.

leaning scum/scum:

Cookie Monster - Cookie’s early “why mes” kind of stand out to me. There also seems to be an overall defensiveness there and not the normal townie defensiveness. I’m gutreading this slot right now.

Gretchen - Has been broadcasting how much of a townie she is and wants everybody to follow suit. Aside from tunneling me haven’t seen very much from Gretchen except the aforementioned let’s all be friends.

In the beginning - My recent interactions have me thinking beginning is more than likely scum here. A lot of inconsistencies and hypocrisies and I feel like he jumped on my wagon. And I did initially think his quick clear of Gretchen was kinda ridiculous.

Zoomer - Earlier in the game I was leaning guttown for Ydrasse so I felt Zoomer’s interaction with her was kinda strange and I thought he was attempting to pocket her. When I called it out he kinda brushed it off with a answer almost like let’s not talk about it. To be fair I didn’t come back to it, but I was somewhat distracted.

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then again, it is very weird to think that ITB claimed tracker Day 1...and was never attempted to be NKed...

[Battle Mage]

ISO on Cookie - not great, but not the worst.

it's Italiano and Gamma sillies. it came to me in a dream and i don't think i'd lie to myself about something so important. so yeah. you lot can figure out who the third one is. good luck~

Is there anything particular that makes you think it’s gamma and Italiano?

this would be hilarious if it's Gamma-Italiano-Cookie. Although I do think Gamma-Italiano-Zoomer is more likely.

Will I get eliminated because I killed a town?

Because I killed a town it’s bad right? So will I get eliminated?

what the heck was this? In hindsight, Cookie isn't a complete newbie (she knew it wasn't good to highlight a PR 'crumb'), so that's odd.

So you think cookie monster scum?

I’m not I can tell you that

to come back to this.

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i’m confirmed town so. yeah. lmao

You're not confirmed town, but you are highly likely town. But for full disclosure, I don't think I'm elimming either you or Inthebeginning today. I'm willing to revisit Inthebeginning tomorrow.

So I need you to tell me who is scum from the remaining pool of players.

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im not going to waste my time arguing over whether you are conftown or not - in practice it doesn't matter. I'm happy to assume you're probably town and not elim you...so what difference does it make? None.

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I think also

No massclaim

- just in case we have a protective - makes no sense to out them prematurely.

[Battle Mage]

if sam was on gretchen then she wouldn't assume itb might have a tracker result to share or am i insane for imagining that

itb had previously claimed tracker, so Samantha said they might have a tracker result (to verify their claim).

[Battle Mage]

why does samantha sus you if you go to esoteric?

samantha explicitly claimed she didn't cross over with inthebeginning. samantha sussed because i guess, what's the odds of a tracker AND a watcher? obviously she had less info then on the being gated front.

I do have a couple questions for you though, inthebeginning:

1. Why did you target esotericzoomer N1?
2. Why did you target Cookie Monster N2, if she was amongst your townreads?

[Battle Mage]

I think also

No massclaim

- just in case we have a protective - makes no sense to out them prematurely.

given how many PR's we apparently have, a protective role would be too much
not to advocate for massclaiming but still it seems unlikely

you may be right, but the WIFOM has value too. I mean, I've already claimed so I don't really get a say, but FWIW, I would say No Massclaim today.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: italiano
I think I’m willing to try this
I think this is E-1?

this feels a bit awkward to me.

italiano gives a fuckton more info than cookie

let's use that info then, eh?

oh my god why are we voting cookie over italiano

Gamma and Goose's idea. Wanna bet 1 of them is scum?

I'm convinced I want to elim within Gamma-Goose today. 1 town, 1 scum in that pair. Can we have them case each other?

[Battle Mage]

since the day is about to end probably I might as well say I don't have a result or anything on in the beginning, I was just trying to bait a bad claim

but I'm also pretty confident he is mafia & hope you guys consider him tomorrow

hm

she could have seen Itb visit esoteric n1 and tried to get him to claim a nonsense role

she literally said that didn't happen though

[Battle Mage]

Mini Normal 2193 Official Vote Count - Day 1 Hammer Edition

Lunar Martian

(7): Cookie Monster, Happy Unbirthday Boon, esotericzoomer, Battle Mage, samantha97, Funeral Goose, ItalianoVD

[HAMMER]

ItalianoVD

(3): In the beginning, Gretchen, Lunar Martian

Cookie Monster

(2): Gamma Emerald, Ydrasse

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-02-14 17:00:00)

id say defo

at least

2 scum on the lunar wagon, meaning Gamma-scum implies Inthebeginning-town.

[Battle Mage]

i would agree that whoever we collectively decide to elim, should ultimately claim before we elim them. Not clear yet whether that's Gamma or you.

[Battle Mage]

we appear to have stalled. I'll plump for VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Battle Mage]

Cookie Monster working a long day!

[Battle Mage]

We're shooting in Gamma-Funeral. Even if it isn't your first choice, humour me for today (as I did you, yesterday).

[Battle Mage]

Not much to note from Cookie Monster so far, and Gamma also very quiet. Cookie Monster not saying much doesn't ping me, but the promising of a catch-up and then...nothing, is mildly scummy.

[Battle Mage]

could nuke itb today and go into lylo(?) tomorrow w/o paranoia there

Or... We could lim scum and force scum to have to kill me rather than have town mislim me. Scum's pptions are clearly limited at this point; they want to keep the poe pool as wide as possible so that they don't box themselves into a corner.

I don't think you get NKed tonight even if your claim is true. Ydrasse is the obvious NK tonight. I can only assume they didn't hit last night because: they were worried about a protective before the watcher flip OR they assumed Ydrasse was shot-less now OR they thought Ydrasse was likely to mis-fire and put us back on evens. I guess maybe if they kept you alive out of fear of a protective, you could get it tonight, but seems unlikely.

I'm happy to deal with your claim properly in ExLo if we miss today (although hopefully we don't).

I'll give benefit of the doubt to Ydrasse.

What do you mean, "benefit of the doubt"? Do you really think scum fake claim vig there and expect to ride that claim to lim lo?

I mean it's a given that Ydrasse had the kill, but is it inconceivable that the 1-shot extra kill was scum aligned? I'd say it's too unlikely to factor in decision-making here, but nonetheless conceivable.

ITB claimed tracker Day 1

I never "claimed". I crumbed very loudly, yes, but I didn't claim tracker Day 1.

Semantics. The bottom line is, everyone following the game knew you were purporting to be a tracker on Day 1.

1. Why did you target esotericzoomer N1?

I didn't town read them, and still don't. I think they are deepwolfing. They're making comments here and there, but they are all superfluous.

I don't know if I consider that deepwolfing? It's...not very deep?

2. Why did you target Cookie Monster N2, if she was amongst your townreads?

Lots of people have expressed scum reads on this slot. Good PR play isn't always dictated by one's reads; you have to account for what's best for the game as a whole. I might town read Cookie, but getting a negative result there is more beneficial to 1) double-check I'm not just biasing myself into a wrong read and 2) it's info that will help others sort the slot once the info is given.

I'd suggest optimal tracker play would have been to target somebody who wasn't widely scumread? Because scum potentially can choose who does the killing, and will tend to choose the least suspicious player. And then you have a guilty on a player who might otherwise have 'deepwolfed' to victory (the value differential between guilty-inno investigation being much higher for tracker than say, a cop).

[Battle Mage]

everyone cool if I re-read a bit before we get trigger happy and elim someone?

[Battle Mage]

hoping to pick up today

[Battle Mage]

we have 8 days, calm down haha.

i feel like this should be a lock if we go through in detail, so i wanna be thorough (for once)

[Battle Mage]

my current sense is:

It definitely isn't Inthebeginning
It probably isn't Funeral Goose (although slightly incredulous going back and seeing how badly off the mark their reads were at times, despite subsequently boasting about being on both scum elims).
Which leaves EsotericZoomer and Cookie Monster.

Some observations:

I’ve been wrong and really been thrown off this game. I was suspicious of Gretchen and was wrong. I’m suspicious of Cookie, in the beginning, and Zoomer. That’s where y’all need to go tomorrow.

Just remember don’t go after Funeral, still don’t understand why that was a thing.

lmfao

I played a game previously with ItalianoVD-scum where he did something near-identical to the statement about Funeral in twilight after being elimmed (funny story, he was also hammered by me in that game). In that game, the player in the Funeral spot was town. There's 1 scum in Cookie, ITB and Zoomer.

Wanna vote Cookie?

Sure
VOTE: Cookie Monster

Gamma's votes on Cookie later in the game are interesting. Not sure if showmanship (wanting to lead a bus/distance in a very conspicuous way), or actually a viable mis-elim. Maybe latter is more likely, given Gamma pitched Cookie as a counterwagon to Italiano - doesn't make much sense to throw both his partners under the bus.

These are very quick and light reads to give an idea of where my head is. These are all obviously subject to change depending on what happens...

Spoiler:

town:

Goose - as stated a gut read just from postings and interactions. Also I didn’t like how their wagon came about.

Battle Mage - I played one game with Battle Mage (town) and I read another where he was (scum) and my gut tells me he is town. Hasn’t had the most content, but from what I’ve seen I feel like he’s town.

probably town:

Hub - Not really confident putting Hub here as I’ve never played with them and don’t really know what to look for. Postings and interactions have felt decent, but I gotta go with my gut here and it’s telling me they’re more than likely town.

Lunar - Although Lunar’s activity is lacking, the few posts he has made reminds me of Newbie 2049 where he was town.

null:

Gamma - I have only played one game with Gamma and he was scum. I don’t know what tells to look for from town!Gamma, but should be able to sort the slot better once we have some flips.

Ydrasse - Very similar to Gamma here. I have also played exactly only one game with Ydrasse and she was scum, but don’t know what to look for when she’s town. It’s also a slot like Gamma that I’ll have to wait for flips/reveals. I was leaning town for Ydrasse earlier, but there have been things that pinged me and has had me push her up and down the readslist.

Samantha - Can’t really read Samantha. She scumread me which made me think she was scum, but not sure at the moment.

leaning scum/scum:

Cookie Monster - Cookie’s early “why mes” kind of stand out to me. There also seems to be an overall defensiveness there and not the normal townie defensiveness. I’m gutreading this slot right now.

Gretchen - Has been broadcasting how much of a townie she is and wants everybody to follow suit. Aside from tunneling me haven’t seen very much from Gretchen except the aforementioned let’s all be friends.

In the beginning - My recent interactions have me thinking beginning is more than likely scum here. A lot of inconsistencies and hypocrisies and I feel like he jumped on my wagon. And I did initially think his quick clear of Gretchen was kinda ridiculous.

Zoomer - Earlier in the game I was leaning guttown for Ydrasse so I felt Zoomer’s interaction with her was kinda strange and I thought he was attempting to pocket her. When I called it out he kinda brushed it off with a answer almost like let’s not talk about it. To be fair I didn’t come back to it, but I was somewhat distracted.

this is a rich source of info. As I said yesterday, I reckon it's unlikely Italiano didn't stick 1 buddy in the "leaning scum/scum" bracket. Gamma was neutral, I don't think his top townread (Funeral) was the other scum.

[Battle Mage]

So you think cookie monster scum?

I’m not I can tell you that

deja vu.

not a single vote on scum in the whole game (admittedly only 2 votes made).

it's Italiano and Gamma sillies. it came to me in a dream and i don't think i'd lie to myself about something so important. so yeah. you lot can figure out who the third one is. good luck~

Is there anything particular that makes you think it’s gamma and Italiano?

this is

really

NAGL.

[Battle Mage]

ugh, yeah re-reading Cookie's ISO over and over again, it is not great.

no active scumhunting really, hardly using her vote or pushing any scumreads. a general lack of interest, but ears pricked up at the prospect of gamma-italiano scumteam being pitched. Pre-occupied with things like the tracker claim.

[Battle Mage]

Because I killed a town it’s bad right? So will I get eliminated?

You’re really milking this newbie thing huh?

salty scumbuddy?

[Battle Mage]

esotericzoomer ISO isn't much better tbh. I think it has to be Esoteric or Cookie, so just a question of which one we try first.

I think I’m in the wrong part of town...so many unfamiliar faces

this town aint big enough for the two of us
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

*shrinks in size*
Better?

UNVOTE:
thank you im claustrophobic

too cutesy - scumbuddies?

VT all the way.

I havr FOS on Gret and Sam. Gamma and HUB town. The rest are still null.

VOTE: Funeral

This was NOT hammer.

Funeral conftown then.

How?

testing whether funeral was conftown

hmmmm
gamma cw anyone?

posturing here for distancing cred, but no vote or anything meaty.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

gamma sk
italiano/funeral maf
ggez

ah here we go. good solve!

italiano/gamma/hub/battle mage is my thesis

gretchen probably died for this ^

either you're a secret genius, zoomer, or you're just an informed minority who knew exactly why Gretchen died. In hindsight, it's an uncanny take which at the time was very bold.

italiano/gamma/hub/battle mage is my thesis

gretchen probably died for this ^

is this a joke or serious?

I doubt Gretchen was killed by any of Mafia/SK/Vig for having dud reads.

VOTE: esotericzoomer

this will do until I read the rest tonight.

no yeah im sure they were killed because they were widely townread

seems to know why gretchen was killed, and is annoyed at it being mis-repped.

hey sam why is bm conf town

another bit of casual fishing for conftowns.

italiano/gamma/hub/battle mage is my thesis

gretchen probably died for this ^

is this a joke or serious?

I doubt Gretchen was killed by any of Mafia/SK/Vig for having dud reads.

VOTE: esotericzoomer

this will do until I read the rest tonight.

wanna mention that this is gross ^

OMGUS

how in gods name is gamma getting a pass from like half this game

did you know though?

[Battle Mage]

Ok so to recap, last scum likely in Esotericzoomer and Cookie Monster. I don't have a strong preference on which we elim today.

Also in case I die tonight, I'm going to full-claim.

I am a

Weak Mailman

. Meaning I can target someone each night and send them a message. But if they are scum, I die.

N1 - targetted Gretchen (doh)
N2 - targetted Inthebeginning (yay)
N3 - targetted Ydrasse (doh)

Reason I'm claiming now is I'm likely to get NKed tonight anyway and can't use my ability again because we'll end up on evens and lose instantly if I mis-fire.

In summary what it means is, Inthebeginning is 100% conftown. He can't confirm my alignment, but he can confirm he got the message from me (he claimed this yesterday).

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: cookie monster

[Battle Mage]

actually no nvm i need to learn to trust myself more

VOTE: Funeral Goose

weird...why?

[Battle Mage]

on funeral-scum - given scum had information about the setup, and they were the first claim, do they really claim vanilla? i don't think so

[Battle Mage]

yeah im fine with hammer

[Battle Mage]

cool if this flips town, look hard at zoomer tomorrow for me.

adios!

[Battle Mage]

intriguing!

so here's a curveball. I'm leaning towards esotericzoomer-town and final scum being Inthebeginning.

(yes my claim yesterday was BS )

[Battle Mage]

surely zoomer-scum should kill me last night, to set up a guaranteed mislim on Funeral Goose for the win.

[Battle Mage]

zoomer you claimed VT right?

[Battle Mage]

from inthebeginning's perspective:

Kill Zoomer = Lose
Kill Battle Mage = A bit discredited but probably win with a mislim on FG
Kill FG = Sets up a final 3 with a player who has conftowned them, and that player's top suspect.

The kill makes more sense.

[Battle Mage]

ok I wanna hear from you both.

[Battle Mage]

also my shots have been absolutely shit in this game. 4 nights and I've only had 1 success.

going back to basics though, if esoteric-scum believes my claim, it makes zero sense to kill FG. although esoteric-scum might have known my claim was BS depending on Gamma's info. Damnit...

also, if esotetic is scum, we have an informed mafioso with setup info...and 3 VT claims. Uninspiring to say the least. Gated tracker feels more viable. Although balance wise it's hard to judge. Gated tracker + Mafia PR could be as balanced as VT and Mafia Goon?

[Battle Mage]

also worse still...if inthebeginning is scum, I had 4 shots and didn't manage to bag 1 living townie.

For completeness, I'm the friendly neighbour, so inthebeginning knows I'm Mod-confirmed town.

[Battle Mage]

ah elementary!

it was a simple strategy really. I'm a friendly neighbour, but I figured there was a good chance of me being NKed last night as nobody really suspected me, and I'd hammered 1 scum and pushed an elim on another. And obviously a friendly neighbour has increased utility the longer the game goes and we had no other claimed PRs so I wanted to try and survive last night. I also wasn't sure about in the beginning - I defended him from Ydrasse on Day 3 because I'd successfully targetted him the previous night (he confirmed the message he received) he knew I was town, and I had a vague idea I could use that to test his alignment (because if he tried to go for me, I'd know he was scum), but more importantly if he was town, he could confirm me. But on Day 4 I still hadn't really sorted him, so I decided to go with a claim which would direct the NK to him (by 100% confirming him town) unless he was scum himself. He'd already confirmed the message, but not been too obvious about what it said (although he did crumb it discretely). I also knew he wouldn't deny it, because he knows I'm conftown (and if he's scum, doing so would blow his cover).

Incidentally, the fact I'm a friendly neighbour is why I was so keen for Samantha to reveal whether she had an actual result on me - because when she crumbed I was conftown it just meant I was gonna NKed and that's a waste of a potentially useful PR. And why I got cross with you for drawing attention to her crumb of an inno on me (because I knew it would get me killed). Whether it ultimately serves any value, it has to be the most satisfying fakeclaim I've ever pulled off as town because it works on so many levels.

Anyway, so I figured inthebeginning would probably be NKed last night, unless inthebeginning was scum. I thought the most likely scenario was that you are scum, would kill inthebeginning, and try to get Funeral to elim me - so I targetted Funeral last night.

There was no real risk to running the gambit yesterday. If I died, I'd have flipped Friendly Neighbour, and you'd have known it was false and I didn't have a clear on ITB. As I didn't die, I can claim honestly today and remove the risk of inthebeginning winning if he is the scummiest player. And for bonus points I had a chance of hitting the other player in ExLo, meaning we could have a 3 player ExLo with me conftown to both players which is a good position to be in. I suppose the only downside is fakeclaiming inherently reduces your credibility, but really it's the only way to play that role.

Today sort of plays itself. If ITB is town, he will vote you immediately because he knows I'm town, and you will then have to vote for him because I won't hammer you (hence proving to you I'm town). And then I'll have the casting vote.

If ITB doesn't immediately vote for you, then from my perspective, he is confscum, and I'll vote him. You will then get the casting vote and have to weigh up all the evidence. But I think that's less likely as ITB already crumbed that he got the message confirming I'm town, so it's unlikely you'd buy it.

Therefore we probably end up in scenario 1 regardless of ITB's alignment.

[Battle Mage]

this is me not hammering. lol

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

so why wouldnt mafia kill you at all though bm?

lol no idea why they didnt kill me before now. I mean, I did intentionally claimed VT early to avoid an NK, and try to stitch inthebeginning up to take the shot last night (sorry ITB if you're town).

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

so why wouldnt mafia kill you at all though bm?

actually forget i said this i cant possibly think about what a mafia aligned message sender would even be for
VOTE: In the beginning

the NK makes more sense from in the beginning. him killing me last night means he's no longer conftown and being defended by me. and setting up a 3 player ExLo with me, him and my top suspect, makes perfect sense.

Like I sorta feel that, if you're scum, you just made things difficult for yourself for no bloody reason - you could have NKed me and cruised to an easy victory.

It's possible scum knew my role existed either way, with the 'informed' power, but that doesn't really change anything - if you were scum, you still defo NK me either way surely.

[Battle Mage]

ok can you both quickly case each other, and I'll make a final call?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: in the beginning

lol mad play dude

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Nice fake claim, but no. You're a mafia mailman masquerading as a friendly neighbor. You've conveniently targeted the night kill every night except night 2 where you targeted me because you needed someone to confirm your role.

this would never have worked, because you already crumbed on Day 3 that I was conftown to you (which isn't something a mailman can do) - so I'm pretty sure Zoomer wouldn't have bought it.

As it happens, you both know I can't be scum because I'd have hammered you, so voting me is a mad play.

[Battle Mage]

haha i bet you were freaking out yesterday when I pulled that claim out?

[Battle Mage]

we should've done this on Day 1...

Spoiler:

heeeeeeeeeeeeeey. first things first let me tell you about myself. so. going into this i was really scared of rolling maf, like terrified. i haven’t played in a good while so i'd prob be really rusty and get power elimmed LOL. so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green. and uh. gonna be real i don’t think i know how to play as maf anymore and i'd prob ask my team to throw me under the bus, like, instantly on day 1 lmao. but i'm town!! all is right in the world and i'm town town TOWN

also another thing about me is that i always find maf if you give me enough time. like, i will always find them no matter how good they are. lying is tiring and maf will always always always wear down over time. if you know what yyo're looking for you’ll see when that happens, like when they start to lose energy and start posting less, and that's what i’ll use to find tthem. what i'm saying here is... basically, is that even if you think i'm maf you should give me a few days. cuz if i'm town i'm sure as hell gonna find you the team. so yeah

These posts are both clearly from a town slot. This just isn't something scum does; scum aren't going to flash a bright neon attention sign on themselves, not this early in the game. Therefore, Gretchen is lock town Day 1 from these posts alone. Anyone pushing here is scum trying to get an easy lim, and I won't stand for it.

Yuck no no no. Stretching credulity to the limits here my friend! It's quite possible for newbie scum to just look like newbie scum.

I don't understand how you can reach a conclusion someone is obvtown, but also anyone pushing them is looking for an easy lim - doesn't make sense.

VOTE: inthebeginning

i sort of feel like i want to resolve the InTheBeginning slot now.

What else can ya do
When they look like scum
And they can't fool you
With a half-baked crumb

Run up, force a claim. if tracker, we ain't lost anything because scum already assume this and we can rely on a protective/protective WIFOM - we pin them down to a claim which can be easily verified (and could be countered if fake). if VT, we probably just elim.

[Battle Mage]

but i guess lucky i did the claim gambit, otherwise I'd probably have been tempted to elim Zoomer is ExLo.

this is all assuming In the beginning isn't completely insane town, in which case there isn't much else I could have done anyway.

[Battle Mage]

It makes perfect sense for Battle Mage to end up performing the funeral kill; any other sane scum would night kill the otherwise confirmed town player.

there was a chance you could have persuaded me to elim Zoomer if you came in really hard on him. also yeah, if i was somehow scum, clearly i'd have NKed you there and not funeral.

you also probably have a better than 50% chance of winning if you NK me instead of FG.

[Battle Mage]

I most certainly am not scum.

ggwp scum

lol if you're not scum that is the worst town blunder I've ever seen in ExLo. To vote for the player you know 100% is mod-confirmed town. xD

[Battle Mage]

GG though, well Modded, good players, really good fun. 10/10

[Battle Mage]

lol if you're scum dude, all I can say is well played at the end!

[Battle Mage]

no regrets either way - if you were scum, we were doomed in ExLo with in the beginning not trusting the Mod-conf innocent. i'll take my share of blame too in that case, if my play was confusing enough to cause that.

probably the only thing which could've gone slightly different, was a slower day yesterday - but I don't think I could have got a majority to elim you, even though I'd have liked to.

[Battle Mage]

i'm really interested to know what the scumteam was 'informed' about!

[Battle Mage]

haha just tell me the truth dude!

[Battle Mage]

don't be mean, stop slowrolling me!

[Battle Mage]

reading the mafia PT, it's striking how much Italiano's confidence playing scum has grown in the last few months. GG all