Mini Normal 2193 | A Member Of The SKs | Town Wins!

[In the beginning]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[In the beginning]

Gretchen is obviously town and anyone voting them should be ashamed for such an awful read.

[In the beginning]

Must every statement be questioned? It is a fundamental, unalterable fact here. Gretchen town claimed in their first two posts; therefore, she is town.

Tread carefully scum, for I am tracking each and every step you make.

[In the beginning]

Why me?

I don't particularly like this post at this stage in the game. The first thing that Cookie Monster does is go on the defensive despite it being page 1.

I know who you are now.
It should have been “et tue, gammae” jsyk

Speaking of this, no alt sniping in-thread please and thank you.

Next quest is figuring out cookie monster

Cookie Monster appears to be a newbie given that she /inned to the newbie queue.

Meh this is boring, let’s start up another wagon

VOTE: Lunar Martian

We don’t want him feeling left out.

Bored already?!?!?! The game just begun!

heeeeeeeeeeeeeey. first things first let me tell you about myself. so. going into this i was really scared of rolling maf, like terrified. i haven’t played in a good while so i'd prob be really rusty and get power elimmed LOL. so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green. and uh. gonna be real i don’t think i know how to play as maf anymore and i'd prob ask my team to throw me under the bus, like, instantly on day 1 lmao. but i'm town!! all is right in the world and i'm town town TOWN

also another thing about me is that i always find maf if you give me enough time. like, i will always find them no matter how good they are. lying is tiring and maf will always always always wear down over time. if you know what yyo're looking for you’ll see when that happens, like when they start to lose energy and start posting less, and that's what i’ll use to find tthem. what i'm saying here is... basically, is that even if you think i'm maf you should give me a few days. cuz if i'm town i'm sure as hell gonna find you the team. so yeah

These posts are both clearly from a town slot. This just isn't something scum does; scum aren't going to flash a bright neon attention sign on themselves, not this early in the game. Therefore, Gretchen is lock town Day 1 from these posts alone. Anyone pushing here is scum trying to get an easy lim, and I won't stand for it.

so you have no idea how happy i was when i saw that sweet sweet sugary green. and uh. gonna be real i don’t think i know how to play as maf anymore and i'd prob ask my team to throw me under the bus, like, instantly on day 1 lmao. but i'm town!! all is right in the world and i'm town town TOWN

Scum aren't ever that careless; at the very least, they aren't more careless than town is at that sort of thing. Do some actual hunting, rather than this shallow analysis of a purported slip.

I didn't have any green in my town PM.

Same comment to you as well. Stop looking at the surface level stuff and start analyzing.

VOTE: Gretchen
fearmongering

Awful vote that comes from scum. You saw a target, and you went straight for it. I'll be watching you closely, that's for sure.

Now these things aren't wrong or indicative but add those in with the fact you are scumreading me for a first post that is obviously a randomized read list is just trolling.

Yes, and the randomized reads list is a problem. Less so who is in it and moreso how you colored it; the coloring doesn't really make sense. You go from green to orange to purple to red. How is anyone supposed to interpret that whatsoever?

Gretchen i must admit i think you may be town... but you may be scum

(I.e.: I don't have a read, so I'll just say stuff to look busy.)

wait what there's

HOW

many on goose?

5, obviously. What's so surprising?

not too enthused by gretchen's posting rn

Why aren't you enthused? Certainly you could at least take a stance on them. They do after all comprise the bulk of the game at this point.

Tread carefully scum, for I am tracking each and every step you make.

is this the part where we pretend that you were subtly claiming tracker instead of overtly

You can interpret it however you want.

Not sure about obvious. I’m not gonna locktown anyone yet.

Obvious does not imply lock town, but yes, you should be lock-towning Gretchen for day 1 at the very least.

uh, my role card said, um, town, or something

So stilted. Watch me catch all the scum day 1, starting with yours truly!

also are we all ignoring that tracker claim so that mafia don't see it or something even though mafia already did immediately

Oh, so you're claiming mafia then? Cuz you seem to be the only one who purports that was a claim.

[In the beginning]

VOTE: Zoomer

[In the beginning]

@Samantha: who claimed tracker. I didn’t see that at all.

This post is off because Italian seems rather intent on playing ignorant here when he ought to know exactly what samantha was referring to. (Like, I could understand missing it on an initial pass, but surely Italiano would take the time to look back when someone mentions it rather than just pretend it never happened.)

when it's that obvious it stops being a crumb

What if I'm trying to use reverse psychology?

since my althunt here is jot developed yet

Or... You could not alt hunt...

So it looks like I’m out of my league here. Page 9 was about alternates. I don’t have a clue. How many alternates are there? Is everyone?

This is also really out of place. Maybe 15% of the content on that page dealt with alts. How come then is that what Italiano gets out of the page?

I also think you should be voting italiano since that is a much more realistic and much likely better cw to yourself than gretchen

According to you right? Fmpov you’re wrong.

Empty comment that just fills up space.

Anyone else have kinda non-town thoughts about Sam?

Eh not really. What they did was anti-town, not really scum indicative. I wouldn't hard veto a wagon there, but I wouldn't join it either.

lolhammering motherfucker

Reaction reads as fake/contrived.

[In the beginning]

In the beginning probably hammers

Why do you think I would hammer there? That'd be like a death sentence.

I made my case on you

Where? And you already have one this early in the game?

there is without a doubt 1 mafia in the first four voters of funeral imho

I don't see your point. That's fundamentally a WIFOM argument (and I disagree that wagon dynamics work that way early in the game), but regardless, the odds are in favor of such anyway. Thus, this tells us very little of value.

almost all of this wagon is town

This is an equally ridiculous and useless statement. There are most likely only 3 scum, so of course the wagon is predominantly town.

so as far as im concerned, until they check in, this is a 10 player game and scum is within those players

Yes, well, that's a bad assumption considering it's a 12p game. The chances scum are in the inactives is not nil.

I have no non-town thoughts about me

What's up with all the filler posts from everyone? Please conserve space please; time and space are valuable commodities.

So is samantha an alternate too? You guys all seem to know each other, but the rest of us are just looking on like...

Seriously, why are you so fixated on this? Why aren't you hunting scum?

thinking in the beginning, ydrasse, hub are town town town. funeral and italiano maf maf

I like these reads. Gretchen stays in my town pile.

I’m pretty sure Funeral is town

??? Based on _____?

there’s something about this RVS wagon becoming a serious wagon that is questionable to me.

Yikes, terrible take.

[In the beginning]

VOTE: Italiano
Lots of bad takes, unjustified statements, and weird obsessions from this slot.

Current scum team is probably something like {Italiano, esoteric, Lunar/Battle Mage} (the last is less what they've done and moreso cuz of their lack of presence.)

Town bloc is HUB and Gretchen.

[In the beginning]

What do you want to know?

Definitely doesn't help your case... You should be more proactive.

fyi I'm kinda chill with the italiano wagon but am thinking of going for cookie monster myself

Why Cookie? They haven't done much yet, so I'm not sure why your are motivated to go there over Italiano.

It's quite possible for newbie scum to just look like newbie scum.

Nah, I disagree. Newbscum wouldn't be that blatant. They get coaching from their teammates.

I don't understand how you can reach a conclusion someone is obvtown, but also anyone pushing them is looking for an easy lim - doesn't make sense.

Well, obviously, I exaggerated some. But that aside, I stand by it---that style of posting/entrance is exactly the thing that scum leap on. It's easy to paint a narrative around it, and if it flips town (as I believe it would), scum can blame it on their play.

Funeral conftown then.

You're reading in too much. Funeral is 100%

NOT

confirmed town.

what the....low activity players? the game opened today

I agree with this sentiment. People's activity expectations are really unreasonable nowadays.

Gretchen / Battle Mage / ItalianoVD

Cookie Monster

Funeral Goose

Why is Cookie so low?

Because town is not supposed to be voted I thought?

This is a bad response, but potentially townie given my early observation about this slot. I will have to watch them carefully.

wait what there's

HOW

many on goose?

It was the same in the last vote count and you are just realising the second time?

Good observation; it makes esoteric's comment all the more strange.

I am going to claim Vanilla Townie.

Talk about not crumbing correctly... This is certainly worse.

Don't like Gretchen, and I don't buy the act of both saying "keep me alive I'm very good"

Is it bad that I thought this was a Battle Mage-esque take?

[In the beginning]

Question of the

day

hour

next fifteen minutes: Why did ITB check whether Cookie Monster had signed up for newbie queue games?

Why wouldn't I? I mean, you're quite obviously doing a lot of alt hunting yourself. Given that Cookie had only like 3 or so posts total at that time, it's not that hard to just search their posts and see "Oh, she inned to a newbie". I do like to know if a slot is an alt ot a newbie, just not who they are if they are an alt.

italiano was quite active and chatty right up until i started calling for votes on him and asked him some tough questions. that speaks volumes if you ask me. which you should because i'm good at answering questions

It's possible this just isn't a time they're active. I wouldn't leap to conclusions too soon. (That said, they've done plenty of other scum-indicative stuff, so the read is probably still right even if the reasons aren't.)

Cookie low because no townpings yet

Just to clarify, is that still the case? Cuz if so, I don't agree.

*snip*

Oh my, I didn't realize Italiano had so many posts at this point. That's a red flag given the level of content I've seen from the slot.

[In the beginning]

Saying gretchen is locktown for these posts is pushing it. It looks like you're trying to push a too scummy to be scum narrative, that's an objectively flawed towntell.

It really isn't. You're oversimplifying my position on the matter.

That's L-2, there's no reason he should be on L-2.

And? RVS wagons are of that size aren't unusual. Something has to get the game talking; you act as if you've never seen a wagon grow that large so early (when on the contrary, it's not unusual at all).

If you weren't so oblivious to clear jokes

You can't hide the stiltedness of the comment by claiming it was a joke. Joke or not, it was 100% stilted, and that's a solid ping.

can we get more reasons to read players rather than their 'vibe'

What an out of place comment! Who is reading players based on vibe?

there are players who I think are acting scummy and that is
Lunar and Samantha

Meh, samantha gets a pass for day 1.

this is literally what you have been doing

Hypocrisy is not a scum tell.

Okay so you’re saying that maybe I should give them a chance? Because honestly I can see where you are aiming from but to me I have given who I think is scum and while maybe previous to that I wasn’t giving reads but that’s because I didn’t have any of I don’t have any how can I give them?

Cookie reads pretty genuine here. She can be town for now.

gamma felt the need to express he was cool with the italiano wagon. he also said he might vote for you. but! he voted for neither bc he was voting for funeral and it was important for funeral to remain a counterwagon to his partner in crime, italianoVEEDEE. DUN DUN DUN

I kinda buy this. I'd flip Italiano first (for hopefully obvious reasons).

p-edit: Nice shade, not defending lunar nor have I ever.

Yeah, you are. You're chainsawing Cookie here.

I don't think hypocrisy is a scumtell per se or a thing only maf do, it's just scummy.

"I don't think it's scummy, but it's scummy." Make up your mind.

I was good to make the move but I wanted to see whether others would follow, which is why I posted that second quoted post

Or... You could be a leader and just vote.

I’m here guys. I’m catching up now.

Aka filler. You don't need to post that if you have been gone for less than 8 hours.

I knew that wasn't a hammer but I was at E-1 and since the game was still in the early stage I didn't want anyone to lolhammer.

I would argue this is one of the scummiest posts you've made all game so far.

*snip*.

Why are you spoilering your posts? Are you that afraid of slipping?

Well I already told you I was confused and frustrated with all the alternates.

I still don't understand why this is so important to you. Just pretend the alternates are newbies (but perhaps with more experience); you can't use meta on them, but you don't need to.

I’m wondering why this information was relevant.

I'm wondering why this information wasn't relevant especially given your obsession with alternate accounts.

Wouldn’t have anything to do with her avatar would it?

No. Anyone who reads based off of avatars is silly.

They could ask?

Useless response to a question that didn't require one. Definitely shows what Italiano's priorities are this game.

In short, Gret wanted to get on my wagon since it already had a few votes and just tried to justify it with weak and contridictory reasons.

Bleh post. You can gain some scum points.

[In the beginning]

The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties.

It's a mini normal; Serial Killers aren't allowed. I highly advise everyone to read up on Normal Guidelines as there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what's normal and not normal.

I am like 10-20 pages behind; I'll try to catch up this evening.

[In the beginning]

what’s with the lunar wagon?

dunno
tempted to hop on it because it's the purest looking one out of all of them but i'd rather give lunar some time

VOTE: Lunar Martian

so uh

giving lunar time huh?

i gave into temptation

You sure didn't deliberate that long. Idk, it does make me wonder if mafia would be so willing to be so flashy, but I kind of think you might.

As I've stated multiple times already it felt very cliquish and because everyone seemed to know everyone, I felt like an outsider looking in.

1) Clearly, everyone does

not

know everyone else. Hence, the presence of alts.
2) How is this relevant to the fact that you managed to miss something blatantly pointed out to you?

So you were encouraging people to believe you were something that you were not because of...? Why the misdirection and dishonesty? This is anti-town

You're putting words in my mouth. I neither confirmed nor denied such. It might be anti-town in some sense, but in another sense, it's perfectly sensible. It's a good way to throw scum off. (Please note that I am /still/ not confirming nor denying whether I was crumbing there or not. More specifically, you may speculate as to whether the crumb is real or not.)

Personally I think anti-town and scummy are pretty much interchangeable, but that's me.

Yes, well, this is a mindset often taken by newer and less experienced players. More experienced players know it is not that simple. Ever.

the entire thing about calling out lunar for asking questions while doing it at the same time and then missing the point of why it’s hypocritical seems like, purposefully obtuse and also tying esoteric to lunar makes me feel ungood

I don't agree. I think obtuseness here is more likely from town than scum. Scum have to fake their reads, and they have to fake being town. Furthermore, unlike the town, they are limited in who they can push and cannot push. This means they are incentivized to be more fluid with their reads, so stubbornness, especially early on, is a sign of towniness, not scum potential.

that's a personality tell for cookie rather than her being maf or town

This is also a good reason to be skeptical of assigning alignment to that aspect of play.

oh no it's absolutely scummy

This is mafia. We do not deal in absolutes. Try again.

cookie's just easy bait but she's probably town frankly

This.

You're kinda shading the wagon without really defending Lunar and then you vote the newbie queue player who wants to chomp the mafia

I'm worried ydra!

Interesting...

Lunar Martian (4): Cookie Monster, Happy Unbirthday Boon, samantha97, esotericzoomer

This wagon is kinda... eck considering Lunar's overall engagement and such. Like, it's not necessarily a scum-driven wagon, but there's definitely scum in it. It's how it formed; I don't think it formed proportionate to the actual likelihood of Lunar being scum.

So the lack of presence makes people scum. And you have battle Mage in there. In this very post you stated: "I agree with this sentiment. People's activity expectations are really unreasonable nowadays" but now you're shading Battle Mage because of... activity.

Wow, if you're gonna shade me, at least get your facts in the correct order!

I didn't make the comment to Battle Mage until **AFTER** the post I talked about lack of presence. Anyway, yes, my take there was a little bit of a double-standard; that much is true; /however/, you have to consider this from a probabilistic standpoint. Notably, it's not unreasonable to suppose that there is a scum in the lower content slots (which I think we will agree that both Lunar and Battle Mage fit at the time) and given a lack of sufficient scum reads elsewhere, poe makes it a decent likelihood.

Exaggeration? You get called out and your defense is I exaggerated? Nothing to see here huh?

This is scum looking for things to nitpick.

[In the beginning]

well i think making a post just to say someone's 'vibe is off' is just someone tryna look busy

It may look busy because it is in part such. Gut is reserved for those occasions where you cannot or would have a hard time pointing to specific evidence to support your read. Nonetheless, it is still a valid scumhunting tactic.

You're tunneling hard. It's sort of unlikely mafia tunnels town, so I'm probably gonna have to assume you're town, but I don't know.

Once more, a terrible assumption. I don't disagree that Gretchen is town (indeed, they flipped as much!), /BUT/ scum can and will tunnel people because they can and because people will write it off just like you did.

I'm trying to imagine a world where all of the following are town: funeral, samantha, gretchen and italiano

where does that leave us?

2 of the 4 are probably town: gretchen (who has already flipped as such) and samantha. The other two are probably scum, Italiano especially.

townleaning Italiano for effort

No.

townleaning Italiano for inconsistency

Also a big fat no.

Lunar - Although Lunar’s activity is lacking, the few posts he has made reminds me of Newbie 2049 where he was town.

Hmm....

Cookie Monster - Cookie’s early “why mes” kind of stand out to me. There also seems to be an overall defensiveness there and not the normal townie defensiveness. I’m gutreading this slot right now.

lol

VOTE: Lunar

E-1

Italiano you should bus Lunar Martian

Sure
VOTE: Lunar Martian

Who else thinks this was an extended quickhammer interaction?

great just missed it
so why did we vote this out

You were on the wagon and aware that it was at least F-2. If you were so ambivalent about it, why did you stay on it?

we had literally a full 8 days

Yes, but that doesn't mean we have to use them.

bc italiano is maf and was scared i'd get him voted out today. pls kill him tommorow if i don't survive the night. thanks

actually funerals e-1 vote is worse than the hammer

objectively

Meh, I agree it's bad, but I still believe Italiano's was much worse.

also ew serial killer

Seriously, does no one ever actually take the time to look at the guidelines?

damn i was hoping the name of the game might be a lie

only 2 mafia could be the vibe then

?????????

gamma sk
italiano/funeral maf
ggez

Seriously, this is scum trying to look like they are scumhunting. Now that they think there might be a serial killer, they suddenly have an avenue to generate authentic reads.

also I'm like >70% sure in the beginning is mafia, but maybe he has a tracking result or something to share

No comment for now.

I am pretty sure scum took out HUB. I would have if I were scum.

(So would I!)

that being said: hardclaiming vig who shot hub, uh, was put off by some stuff he posted

Horrible shot, but I guess it's not impossible. Like if Italiano is scum, it makes sense that Gretchen gets shot by mafia. (I would argue though that Gretchen would actually be the better vig shot and HUB would be the better scum kill.)

[In the beginning]

I <3 you ydrasse but HUB was totally hard-towning D1. You taking that "vig" shot on a power player N1 hurts my heart.

(Oh interesting... I don't really alt hunt (see my sig), but this does give me a guess as to who you might be.)

don't really wanna take the effort to elaborate until he posts, cause I might discard that thought when he does

If you're softing a result on me, you best out it already. You have nothing to fear anyways considering the vig is already outted and most likely a higher priority target then yourself.

But if ydrasse is to be believed with the vig shot stuff, then, lol @ scum for shooting Gret.

Tbf, this setup started with evens. That disincentives scum from making more obvious shots due to the chances that a doctor or jailkeeper is in the setup. Gretchen would be an unlikely protect target, and like I mentioned earlier, Gretchen would be a threat to a team that has Italiano in it, so there are several scenarios where it does make sense to shoot her.

hey funeral how have you managed to play this entire game and not at all say anything about italiano

I hadn't noticed this, but this is kind of interesting actually. I'm interested in the response as well.

The same way Gret and Lunar and Cookie did in regards to each other.

I already went down that road.

Not convincing whatsoever.

hmmm

i wonder if funeral goose knew they weren’t hammered

I'll have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure they said something to that effect.

is this a joke or serious?

Are /you/ joking or serious here?

Well, BM and Sam both jumped on it so it wasn't all town imo.

samantha is anti-town town. Try again.

i would guess gretchen was killed by scum for being loud and probably not a viable mis-elim.

Loud, yes, but Gretchen lacked power. That is, Gretchen lacked the ability to control the thread. Maybe she would have gained that with time, who knows? Regarding the latter part, she was definitely still a viable mis-elim, so I doubt that's why she was killed. Like the only plausible reason (and tbf, it has a high likelihood of being the case) that Gretchen was killed is two-fold: 1) scum didn't want their kill to fail or be watched and 2) Italiano is on the team and feels that Gretchen poses a threat to him. In any other case, Gretchen is a very suboptimal N1 kill. (Tbf, Gretchen probably wouldn't remain a viable mislim, but at that point in time, the odds were still in favor of it being possible.)

bm being alive d2 IS a little sus.....

Recall that BM claimed VT. In a setup like this, scum would probably want to get rid of a PR over someone confirmed not to be one. Granted, if they're performing suboptimal kills (as it seems to be the case with Gretchen), this may not strictly apply.

[In the beginning]

not rn

please.

You don't have to so blatantly bus your partner. Italiano will be limmed in due time.

Someone is trying to frame me.

This comes from someone with a guilty conscience.

Uhh, well yeah I’m a little embarrassed and I knew it was obviously gonna come up, but once I posted my readslist I left. When I came back to check in I saw Hub’s lolpost below mine and was like huh, so I went back to read page 27 and saw what transpired with Lunar. With Hub’s post in mind I just voted at the bottom of page 27. I saw Battle Mage and Samantha had voted.

The embarrassing part is when my post refreshed I saw Funeral had already put him at E-1. Ugh. I wasn’t too fret about it though, but it was goofy. That’s why I didn’t really wanna talk in twilight, but trust, me I would not have been that careless as scum. For some reason hammering is like a huge no no in this game, but I was okay with whatever heat would come. I didn’t really know where the vote was, but I didn’t expect it to be hammer.

This gets a 2/5 rating. Perhaps plausible, but overall, rather weak.

their votes have been really weak + poe

Early game isn't necessarily my forte. Furthermore, if you haven't noticed, I'm often not fully caught up, so yeah, less real time engagement.

soulread is funeral bm gamma

Why is Italiano town?

you should die today for this rolefishing alone

Esoteric should die, but not for that. It's the same thing samantha's been doing all game with me, and unfortunately, it isn't necessarily even scum-indicative. Not in today's meta anyway.

i think i've covered this, but gretchen had a 4-player pool at end of day - I know I'm town, 1 other player in there flipped town. So at best, 2/4 were scum, which isn't the most amazing. And given the amount of people peddling this argument, it feels much more likely to me that the Gretchen kill was to frame somebody in that pool.

Okay, Battle Mage is starting to look /slightly/ worse, but eh.

maybe SK stands for something different then

Flavor in normals should never have any relation to the actual setup. That would make the setup abnormal, even if the roles in it are normal.

also I refuse to believe HUB was a vig shot so I'm curious who might have wanted HUB dead

It's a debatable kill, I agree. But is it really all that surprising? People do stuff like that all the time regardless of whether it's the correct move or not.

first two lines imply being mafia (because mafia would knows there's no SKs, and must be Vig).

How the fuck would mafia specifically know that

Yeah, that take didn't really make sense, Battle Mage.

No comment for now.

well it's kind of now or I waste my time tearing your posts apart and potential derail town

Well, I guess you're gonna have to waste your time...
Like I agree, it would be more productive for you to do something more worthwhile than just rolefish me.

Why do you think scum believed BM’s claim?

Meh, maybe it's a bad assumption, but I'm inclined to take most claims at face value. I figure most people would do the same, simply because it's the easy approach.

[In the beginning]

VOTE: Italiano

I would support funeral or esoteric wagons as well.

[In the beginning]

Why are you so interested in my claim specifically?

[In the beginning]

why did you say for me to claim because I should have no fear with ydrasse as my shield, while saying you won't claim in the same breath?

and why are you ignoring that inconsistency gamma

Okay, I admit it's rather hypocritical on my part to ask you to claim here, but at the same time, I don't think you're engaging me in good faith here. Like, it really feels you just decided to target me for some obscure reason, and you haven't offerred up an actual reason as to why you think I'm scum.

[In the beginning]

I am a Town 2-Shot Tracker.

I tracked esotericzoomer N1 because I scum read them. They didn't go anywhere on my watch.
I tracked Cookie Monster N2. She also went nowhere.

I also received a message last night. I won't say what it was or who it was from but I'll acknowledge I received it.

[In the beginning]

VOTE: Funeral

[In the beginning]

I'd rather not post it unless we're mass claiming here. It wouldn't be beneficial to post it.

Re: samantha -- I have no clue. I think she really wanted me to claim and thus thought she could push it as a guilty to make it happen.

[In the beginning]

mostly poe. I'm town reading you and Cookie to varying extent. Battle mage is more null town. He'll probably rise in my reads over time. Gamma is probably town as well but I haven't seen any strikingly townie thing from him. So that leaves Funeral and esoteric.

[In the beginning]

Neighborizer, Vig, Watcher, Tracker, "Message Sender"

Town looks stacked. Nice try ITB, but you screwed up your fake claim by not saying you were on Gret N1.

1) You dropped modifiers. Those make a big difference.
2) General rule for a 10-3 mini normal is 3 moderately strong roles against 3 goons. 2-Shot watcher would be one. 1-Shot vig is probably a little less than one. Between tracker and message sender, you'll have a third one.
3) You aren't accounting for the possibility that scum have PRs such as 1-shot ninja or 1-shot roleblocker or informed mafia. That accounts for the neighborizer.
4) We started on evens. Towns always have more powers on evens due to it being disfavorable from an EV standpoint.

[In the beginning]

Does anyone think the entire scum team was on Lunar?

If not, that would give us a ITB, Gamma PoE.

Gamma, u aint scum is u?

While perhaps not a super high probability, I think it's a far cry from impossible. I also think your particular vote on it looks really bad compared to the rest.

could nuke itb today and go into lylo(?) tomorrow w/o paranoia there

Or... We could lim scum and force scum to have to kill me rather than have town mislim me. Scum's pptions are clearly limited at this point; they want to keep the poe pool as wide as possible so that they don't box themselves into a corner.

I'll give benefit of the doubt to Ydrasse.

What do you mean, "benefit of the doubt"? Do you really think scum fake claim vig there and expect to ride that claim to lim lo?

ITB claimed tracker Day 1

I never "claimed". I crumbed very loudly, yes, but I didn't claim tracker Day 1.

1. Why did you target esotericzoomer N1?

I didn't town read them, and still don't. I think they are deepwolfing. They're making comments here and there, but they are all superfluous.

2. Why did you target Cookie Monster N2, if she was amongst your townreads?

Lots of people have expressed scum reads on this slot. Good PR play isn't always dictated by one's reads; you have to account for what's best for the game as a whole. I might town read Cookie, but getting a negative result there is more beneficial to 1) double-check I'm not just biasing myself into a wrong read and 2) it's info that will help others sort the slot once the info is given.

Gamma, u aint scum is u?

I keep telling you I'm not

Perhaps it would be better if you showed it rather than tell it.

I'm convinced I want to elim within Gamma-Goose today. 1 town, 1 scum in that pair. Can we have them case each other?

I'm fine with this. I think Goose has objectively had the scummier play this game, but Gamma is hard enough to read that I could very well be wrong there.

Why no mass claim at this point?

Why should we mass claim?

[In the beginning]

I don't think you get NKed tonight even if your claim is true.

Oh, of course not. Not tonight. I meant in an "eventually" sense.

but is it inconceivable that the 1-shot extra kill was scum aligned?

Yes.

Roles which are explicitly Normal for

Town only

include:
Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller,

Vigilante

, Vengeful, any roles listed as "for any alignment

(Emphasis mine.)

I'd suggest optimal tracker play would have been to target somebody who wasn't widely scumread?

Perhaps. With only two of them left though, they have fewer choices. It's also possible that their roles may force their hand.

[In the beginning]

Intent to hammer in 24 hours if no objections

Doesn't seem like we're really getting anywhere, so no real point in delaying.

[In the beginning]

I might reread, but I'm leaning towards Funeral Goose.

[In the beginning]

I prefer Funeral here, but I will hammer if needed. While I agree Cookie hasn't done much this game, I think it's partially due to lack of familiarity with the game. Ofc, it's possible she is using it as a smokescreen, but I really feel that her teammates would have tried harder to get her to do stuff.

For Funeral, I think all of his posts have been lackluster. I also think the way he reacted to the fake hammer earlier was really telling considering that he later noted he knew it was fake but decided to react as if was real anyways.

[In the beginning]

VOTE: Funeral

[In the beginning]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Nice fake claim, but no. You're a mafia mailman masquerading as a friendly neighbor. You've conveniently targeted the night kill every night except night 2 where you targeted me because you needed someone to confirm your role.

[In the beginning]

It makes perfect sense for Battle Mage to end up performing the funeral kill; any other sane scum would night kill the otherwise confirmed town player.

[In the beginning]

UNVOTE:

so why wouldnt mafia kill you at all though bm?

actually forget i said this i cant possibly think about what a mafia aligned message sender would even be for
VOTE: In the beginning

Town cred; it's weaker than a neighborizer, but scum can use it to masquerade as a townie.

[In the beginning]

I most certainly am not scum.

ggwp scum